MMI Q: Donald Trump is in the ER and is in need of a transfusion.

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If possible I'd hand off the case to another physician. I can't deny anyone treatment but at the same time I can't in good conscience treat him myself.
 
PB&Jam said:
If possible I'd hand off the case to another physician. I can't deny anyone treatment but at the same time I can't in good conscience treat him myself.
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I hope you are talking about Hitler and not Trump. If you would refuse treatment to someone based on some things they've said, that would make you a pretty poor physician. A patient is a patient and your responsibility to treat them does not end where your feelings begin. Whatever happened to love your neighbor?
 
PB&Jam said:
If possible I'd hand off the case to another physician. I can't deny anyone treatment but at the same time I can't in good conscience treat him myself.
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canihazMDplease? said:
I hope you are talking about Hitler and not Trump. If you would refuse treatment to someone based on some things they've said, that would make you a pretty poor physician. A patient is a patient and your responsibility to treat them does not end where your feelings begin. Whatever happened to love your neighbor?
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This reminds me of the Reagan shooting-- a very much real event that placed the life of the president in the hands of physicians and surgeons
(source: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-reagan-shooting-a-closer-call-than-we-knew/ )

"When we took him to the operating room, he looked up at me and he said, 'I hope you all are Republicans,'" said Dr. Giordano. "And I said, 'Today we're all Republicans, Mr. President.'"

Our politics can't dictate our quality of care to patients. Even if it's that one executive that cancelled my favorite 90s sitcom(that jerk!......."It's Like You know" could of been the west coast Seinfeld!!)
 
Bring him back to life, kill him, and then bring him back again.

I'd make sure to do it without anyone seeing, though. #personalvictories
 
Your job as a medical practitioner is not to cast judgement but to provide a service. Am I a personal fan of his? No, but should I/ would I ever let that factor into the quality or scope of the service I provide him? Absolutely not.


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Humor doesn't travel well over the electrons. Some of us need some comic relief today.

Blessthefall said:
Your job as a medical practitioner is not to cast judgement but to provide a service. Am I a personal fan of his? No, but should I/ would I ever let that factor into the quality or scope of the service I provide him? Absolutely not.


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aladdin11 said:
The fact that you just compared Trump to Hitler is unethical and misguided. I would refrain from making such comparisons in front of future patients out of respect for their political views or religious beliefs.
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I agree but I don't think he is misguided. Hitler and Stalin never said they were going to kill people when they were trying to rise for power. However, Trump said we should kill the families of so called terroists during his CAMPAIGN. Which implies killing innocent civilians. He also wants to restore torture which amends the Geneva convention, and even the Magna Carta itself. It surely is unethical for a physician, but the man isn't misguided in making that analogy. Who knows what will happen, but the facts are what they are.
 
PB&Jam said:
If possible I'd hand off the case to another physician. I can't deny anyone treatment but at the same time I can't in good conscience treat him myself.
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What are you going to do when a known, convicted child rapist comes to you? This is a real scenario that I see a few times a year in the OR I work at.
 
acetylmandarin said:



https://www.reddit.com/r/premed/comments/5c295q/serious_i_cant_find_a_serious_discussion_anywhere/
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Oh, good. That sounds promising.

There are so many examples out there of Trump being convinced that he knows better than the experts in a field. "This doctor thought my friend needed surgery, but I believe it should have healed naturally. And I should know because I have no training whatsoever. I also know more than the generals do about ISIS." Trump's biggest contribution to the field of medicine will be as a textbook case study on narcissistic personality disorder.
 
A physician's job isn't to play God and decide who to help, and who to not save. The moment we step through the hospital, our prejudices need to be thrown out and we need to help whomever walks through those doors - whether we like them or not. When I worked in the ER, I've seen very rowdy patients being brought in, spitting and cursing on doctors and saying other derogatory terms, but the doctors still helped them.

Can you imagine if police officers could choose who to help and not to help? It would be total chaos! Their job is to "serve and protect", not "choose who to serve and protect". Physicians need to rise above their prejudices and remember that they are there to help everyone that walks through those hospital doors.


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GCS-15 said:
A physician's job isn't to play God and decide who to help, and who to not save. The moment we step through the hospital, our prejudices need to be thrown out and we need to help whomever walks through those doors - whether we like them or not. When I worked in the ER, I've seen very rowdy patients being brought in, spitting and cursing on doctors and saying other derogatory terms, but the doctors still helped them.

Can you imagine if police officers could choose who to help and not to help? It would be total chaos! Their job is to "serve and protect", not "choose who to serve and protect". Physicians need to rise above their prejudices and remember that they are there to help everyone that walks through those hospital doors.


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I'll second this. I get that the premise of this entire thread was to cast humor upon a stressful issue but I still don't think it's implications are anything to joke about.


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acetylmandarin said:



https://www.reddit.com/r/premed/comments/5c295q/serious_i_cant_find_a_serious_discussion_anywhere/
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AnatomyGrey12 said:
What are you going to do when a known, convicted child rapist comes to you? This is a real scenario that I see a few times a year in the OR I work at.
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A woman was raped when she was 9 and later wrote on her blog that she hated men. Would she still be qualified for medical school? Of course, she was a victim.
A man was raped when he was 9 and later wrote on his blog that he hated women. Would he still be qualified for medical school? No, misogyny cannot be tolerated.

And that is the spirit of this thread.
 
wizzed101 said:
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A woman was raped when she was 9 and later wrote on her blog that she hated men. Would she still be qualified for medical school? Of course, she was a victim.
A man was raped when he was 9 and later wrote on his blog that he hated women. Would he still be qualified for medical school? No, misogyny cannot be tolerated.

And that is the spirit of this thread.
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Oof, be careful with those sweeping generalizations.
 
wizzed101 said:
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A woman was raped when she was 9 and later wrote on her blog that she hated men. Would she still be qualified for medical school? Of course, she was a victim.
A man was raped when he was 9 and later wrote on his blog that he hated women. Would he still be qualified for medical school? No, misogyny cannot be tolerated.

And that is the spirit of this thread.
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Um No. If she stated she hated men, and the adcoms knew that, their would be no way she would be qualified for medical school. What are you smoking? Neither would be qualified. It would be implied if she had a male patient, then she would hate him and treat him horribly, so why would you let that psycho be a doctor.

People are victims of a lot of things, but if that victim decides to hate all black people, all asian people, all white people, all jews, all muslims, because one person in those categories made them a victim, then certainly it isn't justified no matter the crime. Only hating the person who made you the victim would be justified.
 
mangomaniac said:
Follow up: What if it was Adolf Hilter?
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I know someone brought it up, but this generation's seemingly incessant comparison of things to Hitler is extremely offensive. It completely marginalizes the attempted mass extermination of an entire people. Comparing Trump to Hitler just makes you seem uneducated and hateful.
 
AnatomyGrey12 said:
What are you going to do when a known, convicted child rapist comes to you? This is a real scenario that I see a few times a year in the OR I work at.
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You treat them the same. I have been involved in the care of a number of murderers, rapists, and violent felons. It is not our job to judge them. It is our job to treat them.
 
Matthew9Thirtyfive said:
You treat them the same. I have been involved in the care of a number of murderers, rapists, and violent felons. It is not our job to judge them. It is our job to treat them.
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I know, my point was if they had such a problem treating Trump what would they do when someone who had actually committed heinous crimes came to see them. I agree with you 100%.
 
Mad Jack said:
Do whatever you can to save him, including harvesting organs from staff if that's what it comes to.
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"Hey you want to give him a kidney?"
"Ummm, am I even a match? What's his blood type?"
"Well, the chart just says: Orange"
"... I don't think I'm a match"
 
BioTic said:
Um No. If she stated she hated men, and the adcoms knew that, their would be no way she would be qualified for medical school. What are you smoking? Neither would be qualified. It would be implied if she had a male patient, then she would hate him and treat him horribly, so why would you let that psycho be a doctor.

People are victims of a lot of things, but if that victim decides to hate all black people, all asian people, all white people, all jews, all muslims, because one person in those categories made them a victim, then certainly it isn't justified no matter the crime. Only hating the person who made you the victim would be justified.
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Where do you think we are?
 
chrisjh said:
Treat him as you would any other patient. Basing treatment off political beliefs is despicable behavior for a physician.
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I will make a great despicable physician 🙂
 
Give him a transfusion, of course, of HIV/AIDS blood.
 
AnatomyGrey12 said:
What are you going to do when a known, convicted child rapist comes to you? This is a real scenario that I see a few times a year in the OR I work at.
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Oh my hell, I had to care for a child rapist once prior to medical school, and every day I worked I was assigned to him because he would verbally abuse and harass any female nurses and brag about having molested children, and I was the only male who worked that unit. He'd also pretend not to speak English just to screw with us because he was an illegal immigrant. Took all the restraint I had not to punch him in the face at times. He spit on some of the nurses, and the surgeon went absolutely berserk on him and threatened to suture his mouth shut.
 
Wolfpack2014 said:
Oh my hell, I had to care for a child rapist once prior to medical school, and every day I worked I was assigned to him because he would verbally abuse and harass any female nurses and brag about having molested children, and I was the only male who worked that unit. He'd also pretend not to speak English just to screw with us because he was an illegal immigrant. Took all the restraint I had not to punch him in the face at times. He spit on some of the nurses, and the surgeon went absolutely berserk on him and threatened to suture his mouth shut.
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This. As one of the only males on my unit I encounter this a lot. Worked with proud KKK members (Im AA), rapist, and just...a@@holes (like Trump). Sadly, you kind of get use to it after a while.
 
Wolfpack2014 said:
Oh my hell, I had to care for a child rapist once prior to medical school, and every day I worked I was assigned to him because he would verbally abuse and harass any female nurses and brag about having molested children, and I was the only male who worked that unit. He'd also pretend not to speak English just to screw with us because he was an illegal immigrant. Took all the restraint I had not to punch him in the face at times. He spit on some of the nurses, and the surgeon went absolutely berserk on him and threatened to suture his mouth shut.
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zurc2014 said:
This. As one of the only males on my unit I encounter this a lot. Worked with proud KKK members (Im AA), rapist, and just...a@@holes (like Trump). Sadly, you kind of get use to it after a while.
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This is why peds > everything. Dealing with crying babies and stinky diapers is nothing compared to dealing with this kind of scum.
 
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