I'd bet the average is a bit more than that. The average program director has probably been out of residency for ~15 years(maybe more) and is probably at least an associate professor, maybe even higher. I'd guess the average full time salary for the typical new grad in academic psychiatry(and I don't mean community jobs with some academic affiliation) is probably 160k(obviously varies a bit across the country....145-150k in some places and maybe a bit higher in others). I find it hard to believe that program directors(who for the most part are not nearly close to being new grads) only 15k more than that on average. I'd guess 210-215k...average. Varies obviously be region and individual situations.I'd estimate roughly 175k. Usually directors have been in academics for years after starting at 150k and thus have gradually received raises to hit 175ish.
It may be a little more complicated. When I was an academic, I received a base salary from the medical school, a subsidy from the hospital for being a director of a consult service, a supplement from the dept of psychiatry, and also some income from the dept of medicine. The base salary and hospital subsidy were combined into one check; the other 2 were separate.State employee salaries are public record. If you are interested in a certain area, google the local programs for the PD. Then look up the name on the state employee database and boom there it is.
It is highly variable from institution to institution, but it can be 50%- a lot of these supplements are based on productivity or a percentage of collections from some of a doctor's clinical activities.Compared to the base salary, do you have an idea of what is the norm for those extra subsidies/supplements? i.e. 5% of your total income vs. 25% vs. 50%?
Yep. Totally agree.New
Pardon my soap box for a second. $115K a year is . . . ahem . . . not to sound insensitive. . . sad for 16 years of school / training especially for a physician. You could work overtime at a doughnut shop and make something close to that (I kid a little).
the only brain surgeons making 500k are those in academics.....a brain surgeon in pp can line up spine cases and clear 500k by April....Pardon my soap box for a second. $115K a year is . . . ahem . . . not to sound insensitive. . . sad for 16 years of school / training especially for a physician. You could work overtime at a doughnut shop and make something close to that (I kid a little).
Seriously, who would take that low of a salary after grueling painful socially-sapping medical training? I consider anything around $100K middle class, upper middle class.
By the way doctor's aren't even wealthy. Brain surgeons making $500K give me a break. They don't impress me. Making $1Mill is wealthy, defining the lower tier of the wealthy demographic.
I went into medicine prepared to be upper middle class . . . *sigh*
They usually don't. The doctors that took that $115 were a combination of suckers and poor doctors. The only thing going for that particular job is the department used the residents as slave-labor so the attendings didn't do much, and when the attendings didn't teach, the program didn't do much to make them teach.Honestly, I don't think the salaries will get that low.