MOST non-bio/non-pharm based psych program(s)???

[roady]

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Hey everyone,

I'm looking for what the top psychotherapeutic/psychodynamic--ie talk therapy dominated--programs out there are. Almost everything is biologically/pharmacologically dominated these days. I am not just looking for strict Freudian programs--I mean an eclectic therapeutic program based on counseling rather than pills/ECT/surgery.

I heard the following:
Sheppard Pratt (now with U of Maryland)
Baylor (due to recently added Meninger Institute).

Anyone with thoughts on these selections, and what the experience is really like?? It is especially hard for me to imagine that Baylor--high prestige institution that it is--would buck the current national trend to do biologically based therapeutics. Please let me know what you think of the above choices, and please add on any additional you can think of--with descriptions about their particular approach, if known. Thanks again--hey, it's only our lives for the next 4 years and maybe beyond. 😱

 

[OldPsychDoc]

Columbia
Einstein
Penn (for cognitive-behavioral)

They'll ALL have a serious biological emphasis, though--otherwise you'll never be adequately prepared for Boards.

Hey everyone,

I'm looking for what the top psychotherapeutic/psychodynamic--ie talk therapy dominated--programs out there are. Almost everything is biologically/pharmacologically dominated these days. I am not just looking for strict Freudian programs--I mean an eclectic therapeutic program based on counseling rather than pills/ECT/surgery.

I heard the following:
Sheppard Pratt (now with U of Maryland)
Baylor (due to recently added Meninger Institute).

Anyone with thoughts on these selections, and what the experience is really like?? It is especially hard for me to imagine that Baylor--high prestige institution that it is--would buck the current national trend to do biologically based therapeutics. Please let me know what you think of the above choices, and please add on any additional you can think of--with descriptions about their particular approach, if known. Thanks again--hey, it's only our lives for the next 4 years and maybe beyond. 😱

 

[Poety]

Columbia
Einstein
Penn (for cognitive-behavioral)

They'll ALL have a serious biological emphasis, though--otherwise you'll never be adequately prepared for Boards.

I may be wrong and I've read each programs (that I applied to) website like 1000 times so perhaps I'm getting them confused, but I believe Yale is heavy on the psychotherapy, especially the integrated child/psych program.

 

[alina_s]

UCSF is pretty therapy-oriented. In the brochure/interviews, they brag about their scores on an analysis-oriented test, not the PRITE. It's pretty competitive, though, and you'll have to check into the housing allowance issue. Before this spring's match, they were negotiating with the various hospitals that residents work at to give a $500 housing supplement, but SFGH hadn't agreed yet. Rent is still insane out there.

 

[roady]

Alina S, Poety, and OldPsychDoc--thank you very much for taking the time to respond. I wonder if there is any hope for average to below average applicants like myself. I don't know if Yale or Columbia would be impressed with me enough to let me in, just because I've had more experience in doing counseling than most. Where does the average/below-average applicant interested in psychotherapeutic programs turn??

OldPsychDoc--your point on the biologically oriented education we will all receive is well taken. But which Einsten program are you referring to--the Freida listings have 4 seperate Einstein programs: @ Beth Israel, LI Jewish, Bronx-Lebanon, or just "plain" Albert Einstein--or do these designations even matter??? I clearly see different numbers of residents listed in at least 2 of these programs...

Alina S--as for the programs at UCSF, their housing/real estate costs are truly legendary. However, I would appreciate any feedback on what chance non-Californians have of entering UC or other Californian programs. Once again--let there be no bones that this applicant is not bringing any exceptional numbers to the table.

Finally, any thoughts on the programs posted before & how psychotherapy oriented they are/aren't?
Baylor
Sheppard Pratt

Also--any thoughts on LOMA LINDA!?

Thanks for the food for thought~

 

[alina_s]

Roady,
I don't think that state residency is really an issue in applying to residency programs. The UC's are near-impossible for out-of-state med school applicants, but they look all over for residents. UCSF's psychiatry residency is competitive, though, and they have lots of MD-PhD residents.
You might want to look at the UCSF-Fresno program too. Are you an NHSC scholar? I seem to remember your name from some of those forums. Anyway, the central valley of California is an interesting cultural mix, with a huge Hmong population re-settled post-VietNam (ever read The Spirit Catches You and You Fall Down? It's set in the central valley). It's also one of the most underserved regions in the country. I liked the faculty when I interviewed there; the program director described them as "academic misfits" who liked teaching more than research, so couldn't really advance in most med school hierarchies. There are the UCSF-Fresno residencies and med students rotate through there, but there isn't a school. Fresno itself isn't the most exciting city but it's close to King's Canyon national park, and a weekend trip distance to Yosemite. I would have ranked them higher except that I was worried about the social support in such a small program, being single and younger than most of the residents I met there.