Most recent matriculant averages

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Thanks for posting...its cool to see that many of the DO students were from CA...hopefully this means CA will becoming a bigger DO state in the future..
 
So the average stats were ~3.5/27. A little increase over the previous year despite the opening of 3 new schools. 👍
 
One of the more interesting things to me is the decrease in diversity of the matriculants versus the applicants. My bet is it is due to a large number of URM students that apply DO matriculating to MD schools instead, but it is an interesting finding regardless of its cause. Asians also appear to take a drop in admit percent as well, likely due to MD admissions grabbing the top of their candidate pool. And here I was thinking that anyone saying DO schools lacked diversity was just exaggerating.
 
I look forward to seeing the 2014 report
 
Mad Jack said:
One of the more interesting things to me is the decrease in diversity of the matriculants versus the applicants. My bet is it is due to a large number of URM students that apply DO matriculating to MD schools instead, but it is an interesting finding regardless of its cause. Asians also appear to take a drop in admit percent as well, likely due to MD admissions grabbing the top of their candidate pool. And here I was thinking that anyone saying DO schools lacked diversity was just exaggerating.
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I agree with the drop in diversity..I think most URM end up going to MD since they can get accepted with less competitive stats... I think certain DO schools have more diversity depending on the location.. racial diversity was definitely one of the factors I considered when choosing which DO school to attend..
 
Mad Jack said:
One of the more interesting things to me is the decrease in diversity of the matriculants versus the applicants. My bet is it is due to a large number of URM students that apply DO matriculating to MD schools instead, but it is an interesting finding regardless of its cause. Asians also appear to take a drop in admit percent as well, likely due to MD admissions grabbing the top of their candidate pool. And here I was thinking that anyone saying DO schools lacked diversity was just exaggerating.
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Mean MCAT decreased for AA from 2012. So it seems that pool was less qualified.
 
I didn't know anyone could get an acceptance with an mcat score of a 15 to a 19...
 
Melomare17 said:
I didn't know anyone could get an acceptance with an mcat score of a 15 to a 19...
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That's pretty crazy.. I hope a least their gpa was high.. I am surprised that there are people that actually scored 6-14 on the MCAT
 
bionerd89 said:
That's pretty crazy.. I hope a least their gpa was high.. I am surprised that there are people that actually scored 6-14 on the MCAT
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I'm Hispanic URM with MD stats is like 2.8c/2.6s with a 27 since they don't grade replace...should I just defer my acceptance to DMU and just apply MD to see what happens??
 
TheArrow said:
I'm Hispanic URM with MD stats is like 2.8c/2.6s with a 27 since they don't grade replace...should I just defer my acceptance to DMU and just apply MD to see what happens??
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I think you need a least a 3.1-3.2 sgpa even as a URM..
 
user3 said:
I am surprised at this too.
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I'm not too surprised ..even if schools like CCOM and Touro-NY accept people with higher MCATs..I don't think its enough to offset all the people with lower MCATs that are being accepted by newer schools..
 
bionerd89 said:
I'm not too surprised ..even if schools like CCOM and Touro-NY accept people with higher MCATs..I don't think its enough to offset all the people with lower MCATs that are being accepted by newer schools..
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I have no idea why LMU is accepting so many low 20's MCATs. Yes, they are one of the less popular schools, but is that seriously the best they are able to get?
 
I'm also wondering how someone could have a GPA under 2.0. I would seriously be concerned about my ability to do well in graduate medical education.
 
Melomare17 said:
I didn't know anyone could get an acceptance with an mcat score of a 15 to a 19...
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There's a few MD acceptances every year with a 15-19. Probably people with either serious mitigating circumstances or really good connections. Nearly 300 people were accepted with MCATs of less than 20 in the last 3 years, while a few dozen people were accepted with a GPA of <2.0. Pays to have parents that can pay, I guess, or one hell of a life story.
 
TheArrow said:
I'm Hispanic URM with MD stats is like 2.8c/2.6s with a 27 since they don't grade replace...should I just defer my acceptance to DMU and just apply MD to see what happens??
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I don't know if DMU offers deferrals aside from serious extenuating circumstances. But hey, if you want to be a year older, go into a more competitive match, and lose >200k just to see if you can chase some shinier letters, be my guest.
 
Mad Jack said:
I don't know if DMU offers deferrals aside from serious extenuating circumstances. But hey, if you want to be a year older, go into a more competitive match, and lose >200k just to see if you can chase some shinier letters, be my guest.
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The issue would be him/her not getting into MD next cycle either and having to explain to DO schools why he reapplied. It won't go over well
 
NontradCA said:
The issue would be him/her not getting into MD next cycle either and having to explain to DO schools why he reapplied. It won't go over well
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He said defer, not withdraw. Some schools, such as MSU, let you defer your admission for a year. So he would be keeping his admission while applying MD. Most schools do not let you freely defer, however.
 
Mad Jack said:
He said defer, not withdraw. Some schools, such as MSU, let you defer your admission for a year. So he would be keeping his admission while applying MD. Most schools do not let you freely defer, however.
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And DMU does not.
 
NontradCA said:
Mean MCAT decreased for AA from 2012. So it seems that pool was less qualified.
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The mean MACT for AA in 2012 and 2013 are almost identical... Almost no statistical difference at all.
 
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bionerd89 said:
That's pretty crazy.. I hope a least their gpa was high.. I am surprised that there are people that actually scored 6-14 on the MCAT
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And these people apply to med school...Lol
 
how does someone who has a gpa that is below 3.0 and an mcat that is below 20 think they will be able to make it through medical school..
 
user3 said:
The measly 0.02 rise in avg mcat for all matriculants is disappointing as well.
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With new schools that are opening, I don't think it is that bad....3.5 GPA and 27 MCAT is good IMO. The bottom 10-15 US MD schools probably have that same average or lower.
 
Why don't DO have an MSAR just like MD? So we can know the average GPA and MCAT for every single school because it seems like a lot of schools are 'massaging' their average MCAT... Like ACOM reported to have an average of 26, DCOM (27) even LUCOM says they are expecting a 25+... I don't put too much stock on schools reporting their average except for the ones published on schools' website. There is a difference between average accepted and average matriculated, but it appears that many schools just ignore that nuance.
 
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BestDoctorEver said:
Why don't DO have an MSAR just like MD? So we can know the average GPA and MCAT for every single school because it seems like a lot of schools are 'massaging' their average MCAT... Like ACOM reported to have an average of 26, DCOM (27) even LUCOM says they are expecting a 25+... I don't put too much stock on schools reporting their average except for the ones published on schools' website. There is a difference between average accepted and average matriculated, but it appears that many schools just ignore that nuance.
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My hypothesis is that there isn't one because there's no statistical metric for "holistic review of applications considering all life experiences." There's no way to have an asterisk that said this school had a 3.3 GPA but has a lot of students that worked two jobs in undergrad and worked full-time for 2 years before applying, for example. All you would be doing is officially publishing numbers significantly lower than MD stats.

I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the reported averages are actually lower. For example, maybe those numbers don't include students moving up from an internal masters program or accepted averages are being reported.
 
bionerd89 said:
how does someone who has a gpa that is below 3.0 and an mcat that is below 20 think they will be able to make it through medical school..
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Its unlikely that anyone with <3.0 AND <20 got in to any school. I know some people with 3.6-3.8 GPAs and 17-21 MCATs. Some people are just bad test takers or don't know how to prepare for standardized tests. Also, most people that got in with low (<20) MCATs are probably in a linkage program (post-bac or masters) that don't have MCAT cutoffs, but only have in-program GPA cutoffs. As for the others, I can't imagine many people with <3.0 and <26 getting in.

I'm a little bit disappointed with the MCAT mean as well. I expected it to be closer to 27 even. The GPA increased by the usual amount, but the low 0.02 MCAT increase must be due to the new schools accepting people with lower scores.
 
Stats will go up as more people apply..that is how it works. A bunch of DO schools only take people from the area and who are likely to stay. This keeps competition down-->maintain low MCAT/GPA averages. Schools like CCOM and Touro-NY get a ton of apps b/c they are more open to applicants regardless of where they are from-->more competition-->averages are a lot higher than the other schools.
 
Re: GPA. The reported GPA includes grade replacement, which MD does not, so the 'real' GPA is probably more like 3.4.
 
user3 said:
I have no idea why LMU is accepting so many low 20's MCATs. Yes, they are one of the less popular schools, but is that seriously the best they are able to get?
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Did you get rejected from LMU or something? It comes out of you in about a dozen threads. I'm curious why you are so interested in that one school.
 
Most people I know who have gotten into DOs in person averaged between a 3.0-3.3 with 30+ MCATs or 3.5+s with 25 MCATs. I am likely going to graduate between a 3.2-3.4. I just really hope I rock the MCATs. I have been been seriously questioning my future as of lately. I really do not have a backup if medical school doesn't works out. If needs be, I might go back to school and get an engineering degree at a cheap state school. I have a lot of the freshman/sophomore pre reqs out of the way (coincided often with pre med classes).
 
Dreamstoo said:
Most people I know who have gotten into DOs in person averaged between a 3.0-3.3 with 30+ MCATs or 3.5+s with 25 MCATs. I am likely going to graduate between a 3.2-3.4. I just really hope I rock the MCATs. I have been been seriously questioning my future as of lately. I really do not have a backup if medical school doesn't works out. If needs be, I might go back to school and get an engineering degree at a cheap state school. I have a lot of the freshman/sophomore pre reqs out of the way (coincided often with pre med classes).
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Why not PA or a PharmD degree?
 
BestDoctorEver said:
Why not PA or a PharmD degree?
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To be honest, I almost switched over to biomedical engineering with biomechanics freshman year after my first term of college. I regret not doing it. Yes, my classes would have been way harder with more engineering classes but I think I would have been OK with pursuing engineering as a career. I like medicine but a career in biomed would been a good backup for the type of stuff I learn. I got into a top 10 biomed program out of high school but I decided not to go mostly due to its' cost.
 
I would have hoped the MCAT score would have gone up to 29..
 
Mad Jack said:
He said defer, not withdraw. Some schools, such as MSU, let you defer your admission for a year. So he would be keeping his admission while applying MD. Most schools do not let you freely defer, however.
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Provided he or she finds a reason good enough to be granted a deferral, it will usually involve signing a written agreement that you will not reapply to medical school (MD or DO).
 
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whatbout2morrow said:
Provided he or she finds a reason good enough to be granted a deferral, it will usually involve signing a written agreement that you will not reapply to medical school (MD or DO).
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Well there you go.

Agreement or not, they could just apply anyway on the MD side and disregard the agreement by withdrawing post acceptance and just claiming they decided medical school just wasn't for them. I doubt there would be repercussions, as getting found out would be unlikely if one were careful. It would be very poor form though, and unbecoming behavior from an aspiring professional.
 
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