MSTP and Step 1

[MedPR]

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Do most MSTP students take step 1 while their MD counterparts are on Christmas vacation of M2?

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[dadaism]

No

 

[Josh7]

No

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[Ismet]

Do most MSTP students take step 1 while their MD counterparts are on Christmas vacation of M2?

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😕 why would they?

 

[mmmcdowe]

The only time this may be applicable is if the MSTP student is in one of the 18 month pre-clinical curriculum schools. However, at least at mine they often do some of their clinicals before going into to lab and take step 1 in between those two periods sometime in the spring.

 

[487806]

Do most MSTP students take step 1 while their MD counterparts are on Christmas vacation of M2?

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You're talking about that popular guy who's preparing for Step 1 (very knowledgeable person, will do very well on that exam). Well, I figure he's an international MD student, so it varies from country to country.

 

[lobo.solo]

I thought people in these programs are not in actual med school, so why would they. Would someone mind explaining this, I am curious.

 

[487806]

I thought people in these programs are not in actual med school, so why would they. Would someone mind explaining this, I am curious.

I think MedPR's talking about MD/PhD students and the like.

 

[lobo.solo]

I think MedPR's talking about MD/PhD students and the like.

ohh yeah!! I thought he was referring to SMP... my bad😳

 

[MedPR]

😕 why would they?

I thought people in these programs are not in actual med school, so why would they. Would someone mind explaining this, I am curious.

I think MedPR's talking about MD/PhD students and the like.

Aren't MSTP and MD/PhD the same thing? Don't they do preclinicals in 1.5 years then move onto graduate work?

I noticed a few people in the step 1 forums say they're taking it this month so I just figured that was what's going on.

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[MedPR]

The only time this may be applicable is if the MSTP student is in one of the 18 month pre-clinical curriculum schools. However, at least at mine they often do some of their clinicals before going into to lab and take step 1 in between those two periods sometime in the spring.

Oh I see. I thought all schools had them on a separate preclinical schedule.

You're talking about that popular guy who's preparing for Step 1 (very knowledgeable person, will do very well on that exam). Well, I figure he's an international MD student, so it varies from country to country.

Yea probably. There's more than one person taking it soon though.

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[487806]

Aren't MSTP and MD/PhD the same thing? Don't they do preclinicals in 1.5 years then move onto graduate work?

I noticed a few people in the step 1 forums say they're taking it this month so I just figured that was what's going on.

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Apparently, MSTP is an extremely competitive MD/PhD program. All Top 20 schools and few other schools have that...

 

[MedPR]

Apparently, MSTP is an extremely competitive MD/PhD program. All Top 20 schools and few other schools have that...

Oh. I always thought they were interchangeable.

So basically MD students are former elite undergrads.. Then there are the super elite MD/PhD... And now the untouchable MSTPs? Insane.

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[487806]

Oh. I always thought they were interchangeable.

So basically MD students are former elite undergrads.. Then there are the super elite MD/PhD... And now the untouchable MSTPs? Insane.

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MD students aren't really elite (except for Top 20.). Other than that, you're pretty much right. Many MSTP students have graduated from Ivy League undergrads or similar high-quality institutions... Yep, essentially invincible.

 

[MedPR]

MD students aren't really elite (except for Top 20.). Other than that, you're pretty much right. Many MSTP students have graduated from Ivy League undergrads or similar high-quality institutions... Yep, essentially invincible.

I meant they were in undergrad. Considering so many of them have 3.7-4.0 GPAs, are involved in leadership, and have research pubs. Pretty elite considering what I had accomplished (nothing) at the age of 20.

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[Ismet]

Apparently, MSTP is an extremely competitive MD/PhD program. All Top 20 schools and few other schools have that...

MSTP = MD/PhD, at least at my school. The program will differ based on the school, but here they are the same as MS2's through board studying, they get the same time off in the Spring as all other MS2's. Then they do an 8-week clerkship with the MS2's in summer before moving to the PhD work. They also have some kind of longitudinal clerkship thing so that they're not just 100% in the lab for 4 years.

Edit: MSTP essentially means NIH-funded, therefore having to conform to certain guidelines.

 

[mmmcdowe]

Yeah I use MSTP and MD-PhD interchangeably, though I do believe I was aware that sometimes there was overlap with other programs other than MSTP.

 

[typicalindian]

I thought the difference between MD/PhD and MSTP was that one of them was funded by the NIH?

 

[Ismet]

I thought the difference between MD/PhD and MSTP was that one of them was funded by the NIH?

Yes. See my post above.

MSTP is NIH-funded, and I believe some schools have additional MD/PhD candidates that are not NIH-funded and are therefore not MSTP.

 

[typicalindian]

Yes. See my post above.

MSTP is NIH-funded, and I believe some schools have additional MD/PhD candidates that are not NIH-funded and are therefore not MSTP.

Oh gotcha, thanks for the clarification!

 

[red doctober]

To elaborate: yes, MSTP = MD/PhD program that has a training grant from the NIH to fund specifically the training of MD/PhD students. MSTP = huge prestige for the parent institution, they have to resubmit the grant every 5 years, so it's important for current MSTPs to maintain excellent standards, two of which are average GPA and MCAT of matriculating students. Institutions can lose MSTP status, i.e. OHSU, so they take this very seriously. For the student, MSTP means guaranteed stipend during the entire duration of training as well as full tuition waiver. Some non-MSTP MD/PhD programs, especially those gunning for MSTP funding, provide the same financial perks as MSTPs, but not all. Some programs that are on the cusp are Penn St., BU, OHSU, and UMass.

Most of the time MD/PhD students take Step 1 during the same time that their MD counterparts take it, after M2. For the schools that have an 18-mo preclinical, it really depends on the program. For example, Columbia has their MD/PhD students take Step 1 before entering the PhD portion without doing any clinical rotations before.

 

[mmmcdowe]

To elaborate: yes, MSTP = MD/PhD program that has a training grant from the NIH to fund specifically the training of MD/PhD students. MSTP = huge prestige for the parent institution, they have to resubmit the grant every 5 years, so it's important for current MSTPs to maintain excellent standards, two of which are average GPA and MCAT of matriculating students. Institutions can lose MSTP status, i.e. OHSU, so they take this very seriously. For the student, MSTP means guaranteed stipend during the entire duration of training as well as full tuition waiver. Some non-MSTP MD/PhD programs, especially those gunning for MSTP funding, provide the same financial perks as MSTPs, but not all. Some programs that are on the cusp are Penn St., BU, OHSU, and UMass.

Most of the time MD/PhD students take Step 1 during the same time that their MD counterparts take it, after M2. For the schools that have an 18-mo preclinical, it really depends on the program. For example, Columbia has their MD/PhD students take Step 1 before entering the PhD portion without doing any clinical rotations before.

Depends on the lab. More and more are having students do 5 weeks of medicine and 5 weeks of another major rotation first.