Muscle pain after anesthesia

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40 Y/O, BF, G5 P5, with HX of HTN, had anesthesia once as a child for tonsillectomy.
Underwent Post-partum tubal ligation under GA.
Induced with Propofol + Sux, Had some Masseter spasm on induction making intubation somewhat difficult.
After that, case proceeded uneventfully.
There was no increase of CO2, no tachycardia and no fever.
Post op she complained of some generalized muscle pain but wasn't bad enough to prevent her discharge from the hospital.
She returns to the hospital 24 hours later with severe generalized muscle pain, generalized muscle weakness and swelling of legs.
Still afebrile, No acidosis, Electrolytes are normal but CPK is 2500.
After more questioning she says that she remembers having a muscle biopsy done 10 years ago in the process of diagnosing refractory muscle spasms but was never given a diagnosis, and that her children have the same muscle spasms but none of them had any workup.
Next day her CPK improved to 800, she remained afebrile.
She continues to have muscle weakness and swelling, walks only with assistance but she feels a little stronger.
Sed rate = 38.
What's going on?
What should we do now?

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I imagine she has some sort of mild dystonia. Friedrich's ataxia or some other neuromuscular disorder should be considered. Her heart should be checked since some of these disorders can affect the heart, and she is having swelling. Check renal function. Neuro cosult is warranted. It does not seem like an emergency, and the fact is that there is no good treatment for any of these disorders. Discharge with outpatient follow up should be considered.
 
40 Y/O, BF, G5 P5, with HX of HTN, had anesthesia once as a child for tonsillectomy.
Underwent Post-partum tubal ligation under GA.
Induced with Propofol + Sux, Had some Masseter spasm on induction making intubation somewhat difficult.
After that, case proceeded uneventfully.
There was no increase of CO2, no tachycardia and no fever.
Post op she complained of some generalized muscle pain but wasn't bad enough to prevent her discharge from the hospital.
She returns to the hospital 24 hours later with severe generalized muscle pain, generalized muscle weakness and swelling of legs.
Still afebrile, No acidosis, Electrolytes are normal but CPK is 2500.
After more questioning she says that she remembers having a muscle biopsy done 10 years ago in the process of diagnosing refractory muscle spasms but was never given a diagnosis, and that her children have the same muscle spasms but none of them had any workup.
Next day her CPK improved to 800, she remained afebrile.
She continues to have muscle weakness and swelling, walks only with assistance but she feels a little stronger.
Sed rate = 38.
What's going on?
What should we do now?



Don't forget your mitochondrial diseases
 
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Post succinylcholine induced myalgias. Tell her to take some Motrin and she'll feel better in a few days.
 
Post succinylcholine induced myalgias. Tell her to take some Motrin and she'll feel better in a few days.

HAHAH. While you're at it, force her to do a 30 min treadmill stress test in a hot room and make sure she doesn't drink any water afterwards.

Anyways I don't know what she has but she has a date with an in-house neurologist. As for further anesthesia recommendations I just as well avoid triggering agents. Perhaps she has some type of MH variant...that'd be my guess. The Masseter spasm only adds to that washy made up diagnosis of mine.
 
Doesnt sux sometimes cause muscle pain?

High CPK, muscle pain, leg swelling(renal failure?)--> succhinylcholine induced rhabdomyolysis?
 
Post succinylcholine induced myalgias. Tell her to take some Motrin and she'll feel better in a few days.
Well,
I think it's a good idea to look at the whole picture:
History of some muscle disease in the past, children with ongoing muscle "spasms", masseter spasm on induction, severe muscle pain and severe weakness post op, and elevated CPK.
Although it's possible to have severe muscle pain after Sux, in this case the proximal muscle weakness was very significant and she is still needing a walker to ambulate.
Can you with certainty say that this is simply post Sux myalgia?
Is it OK for her to have GA in the future including vapors and sux?
Is there any risk to her children?
 
Well,
I think it's a good idea to look at the whole picture:
History of some muscle disease in the past, children with ongoing muscle "spasms", masseter spasm on induction, severe muscle pain and severe weakness post op, and elevated CPK.
Although it's possible to have severe muscle pain after Sux, in this case the proximal muscle weakness was very significant and she is still needing a walker to ambulate.
Can you with certainty say that this is simply post Sux myalgia?
Is it OK for her to have GA in the future including vapors and sux?
Is there any risk to her children?

I have no clue what she has but if she needed a GA in the future I'd do a nontriggering anesthetic for sure. I doubt that it is MH just a gut feeling. I know its not just sux induced myalgia, deeper gut feeling. But since I am not a neurologist I'd have to send her to one. CPK improving means she can do this as outpt as long as her respiratory function isn't affected. If the swelling in the legs is pitting edema then cards gets involved.

Keep us posted.
 
Planktonmd,
what did you end up doing with your pt?
 
Here is what I did:
The patient continued to imprpve clinically.
Cardiac echo was normal.
The swelling of the legs remained and the proximal muscle weakness was still partially there but not as bad.
My thought process was that this patient must have some muscle disease that I don't know and next time she gets GA she might develop MH.
So, I gave her a letter stating my suspicion and a list of the triggering gents that she needs to avoid.
The neurologist is going to follow her as an out patient.
 
Oh Snap!

Now we are all left in the dark. I was expecting some sort of fancy zebra from you Plank. You know, something like a fragile transmutational mitochondrial polysomal dystrophy of recessive trait. :laugh:

Oh well.
 
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Oh Snap!

Now we are all left in the dark. I was expecting some sort of fancy zebra from you Plank. You know, something like a fragile transmutational mitochondrial polysomal dystrophy of recessive trait. :laugh:

Oh well.

I just had a drink by that name noy.
 
Jeezy Peezy, should have given a smidgen of Zem(5-10mgs) prior to the sux. Prolly had some mild preeclampsia and now with some mild lower ext edema. Everybody and their momma feets swell when havin' babies. Let me ram a softball up your rectum to your sigmoid and have ya expel it over 3-5 hrs-- you'll have general muscle weakness too. Bah, you don't need neuro consults, medical alert bracelets and a $10,000 dollar workup. All ya need is the courage to say " Give it a little time dear, it's all good" ....tincture of time... Regards, -----Zipster
 
Jeezy Peezy, should have given a smidgen of Zem(5-10mgs) prior to the sux. Prolly had some mild preeclampsia and now with some mild lower ext edema. Everybody and their momma feets swell when havin' babies. Let me ram a softball up your rectum to your sigmoid and have ya expel it over 3-5 hrs-- you'll have general muscle weakness too. Bah, you don't need neuro consults, medical alert bracelets and a $10,000 dollar workup. All ya need is the courage to say " Give it a little time dear, it's all good" ....tincture of time... Regards, -----Zipster

Well, You might be right, but how many times have you seen someone with severe muscle weakness after Sux that can not walk for 3 days and continues to have muscle weakness even beyond that? I haven't!
How about if that same patient had Masseter spasm on induction and tells you that she was worked up for a muscle disease a few years ago including a muscle biopsy but did not follow up?
And how about when she adds that her children have some muscle spasms all the time?
Would you still say: "Give it a little time dear, it's all good" ?
I wouldn't!
 
How about getting some "blow-by" (oxygen)
 
Thanks Zip. Please see post #4.

Ciao
 
Jeezy Peezy, should have given a smidgen of Zem(5-10mgs) prior to the sux. Prolly had some mild preeclampsia and now with some mild lower ext edema. Everybody and their momma feets swell when havin' babies. Let me ram a softball up your rectum to your sigmoid and have ya expel it over 3-5 hrs-- you'll have general muscle weakness too. Bah, you don't need neuro consults, medical alert bracelets and a $10,000 dollar workup. All ya need is the courage to say " Give it a little time dear, it's all good" ....tincture of time... Regards, -----Zipster

Then why the hell did she need a muscle biopsy before?

Sorry bud, I disagree with ya.

She did OK this time around but who knows next time around...if her elective case doesn't get canceled first by the anesthesiologist because she had no work-up for prolonged post-op proximal muscle weakness and elevated CPK. The neuro consult is warranted in my book. If taking 3 min out of the day to do this is too much to ask.....
 
The case represents the importance of a thorough history PRIOR to an anesthetic plan for a patient. Give me that extra 3 minutes in asking what surgical procedures she's had and if there were any anesthesia complications. "On further questioning..." should come before the anesthetic plan not after. If she mentioned muscle bx with unknown results she gets a spinal first and then further down the line, if there are contraindications, a non-triggering GETA. Regards, ---Zip
 
The case represents the importance of a thorough history PRIOR to an anesthetic plan for a patient. Give me that extra 3 minutes in asking what surgical procedures she's had and if there were any anesthesia complications. "On further questioning..." should come before the anesthetic plan not after. If she mentioned muscle bx with unknown results she gets a spinal first and then further down the line, if there are contraindications, a non-triggering GETA. Regards, ---Zip
She did not mention the muscle biopsy nor the muscle disease to anyone before surgery, because she actually thought it was irrelevant!
She said she had anesthesia once as a child for tonsils, that's it!
And my telepathic and clearvoyant abilities are not good enough to discover what she was hiding.
I know it feels good to try to sound cool and know it all, but you might want to stop assuming that the others are idiots and try to learn something for a change.
 
My biggest beef with anesthesiologists is that they fail to be physicians first and anesthesiologists second. For those who like to minimize potential medical issues with their patients and hope they don't have any complications, just hope that luck is on your side.

This case delineates what's wrong with us by just wanting to be a technician and not a doctor. Forget that crap about "not being your problem". That is being mediocre and lame at best. Whenever you take that approach, you continue to be more like the competition and less like a physician.

PlanktonMD and VentD are right on. You cannot assume this is some minor issue. If you remember, mitochondrial diseases are inherited from the mother and this case has a big red flag. By doing some minor interventions and referring the patient to the right physician you can save your colleagues some headaches and better yet---potentially save this patient's life.
Here's an article I read that may shed some light on this issue. I did a poster on a case with similar issues and it helped me to understand why being aware of this is important.

http://www.anesthesiology.org/pt/re...wp94JDRTWHVmCnzT8!391776677!181195629!8091!-1


An excerpt:
"Patients with Mitochondrial Cytopathy TOP
The terms mitochondrial myopathy, inherited mitochondrial encephalomyopathy, and mitochondrial cytopathy are generally equivalent. Clinically, they encompass a wide variety of neurologic syndromes, most described only within the past three decades, that are due to errors in the synthesis of mitochondrial proteins caused by defects in nDNA, mtDNA, or mitochondrial transfer RNA (appendix 1). Symptoms generally reflect inadequate oxidative phosphorylation, usually first apparent in skeletal muscle or in the retina or other parts of the nervous system with high energy requirements.113,114 In addition, inherited or acquired respiratory chain enzymatic deficiencies degrade the efficiency of oxidative phosphorylation and can result in excessive levels of ROS.115 Subclinical hepatic and renal involvement is common, but the diagnosis of a mitochondrial-based respiratory chain deficiency is often not considered unless associated with evidence of skeletal muscle weakness or encephalopathy.
The phenotypic variability of inherited mitochondrial cytopathies reflects the uneven distribution of mutant mtDNA to different tissues during the early phases of embryogenesis.116 Consequently, even when a defined mtDNA mutation is involved, patients with mitochondrial disorders may present with a wide variety of symptoms, many of them extremely vague or subtle. Mitochondrial cytopathy should be included in the differential diagnosis whenever persistent clinical signs and symptoms include muscle pain in conjunction with weakness or fatigue117 or if there is diffuse involvement of several organ systems that does not conform to an established pattern of conventional disease.114
Because mitochondrial cytopathies involve enzymatic defects that lead to organ dysfunction through impaired oxidative phosphorylation, lactic acidosis and abnormalities in glucose metabolism are common sequelae. The diagnostic algorithm for suspected mitochondrial cytopathy investigations therefore should include screening for measurement of serum and spinal fluid lactate and increased lactate/pyruvate as well as ketone body molar ratios. For pediatric patients, the diagnostic process includes both blood and urine testing, although normal lactate and glucose values do not necessarily rule out the diagnosis of mitochondrial disease. When the index of suspicion for mitochondrial cytopathy is very high in children or in adults, skeletal muscle biopsy can confirm the diagnosis if it reveals the characteristic ragged-red fibers on trichrome stain, which are caused by accumulations of defective mitochondria beneath the sarcolemmal membrane, excess glycogen granules, and cytochrome c oxidase (complex IV) deficient cells.118

Biopsy of muscle or skin can also provide material for mtDNA analysis and facilitate genetic counseling. Syndromes caused by inherited mtDNA point deletions or insertions such as Leber hereditary optic neuropathy or NARP (neuropathy, ataxia, retinitis pigmentosa) can be detected by a polymerase chain reaction blood test and are generally maternally inherited.119 Similarly, mitochondrial encephalopathy with lactic acidosis and stroke-like episodes, myoclonus epilepsy and ragged-red fibers, and maternally inherited disorder with adult-onset myopathy and cardiomyopathy, each of which is the consequence of a single transfer RNA missense mutation, also follow maternal inheritance patterns.120 However, Pearson121 and Kearns-Sayre122 syndromes, both produced by a single mtDNA base pair deletion or insertion, have sporadic inheritance patterns.123 Large-scale mtDNA deletions are usually acquired, not inherited, defects.124

Mutations of nDNA that produce unstable mtDNA can produce mitochondrial cytopathy syndromes that are clinically indistinguishable from those associated with classic mtDNA mutations.125,126 One example is an inherited defect in the nuclear gene that encodes for the mitochondrial transcription factor, producing an inevitably fatal mtDNA deficiency syndrome of infancy.127 mtDNA depletion syndrome is a severe disease of childhood characterized by liver failure and neurologic abnormalities due to tissue-specific loss of functional mtDNA. This syndrome is thought to be caused by a putative nuclear gene that controls mtDNA replication or stability.128 Similarly, children with mitochondrial neurogastrointestinal encephalomyopathy may have multiple mtDNA deletions and/or mtDNA depletion that results from an nDNA mutation.129 Regardless of etiology, however, mitochondrial cytopathies of infancy invariably compromise the developing nervous system and are therefore diagnosed early because symptoms are severe and progress rapidly. Nonspecific neurologic signs include lethargy, irritability, hyperactivity, and poor feeding.

Other variants of inherited cytopathy present later in childhood or even in the young and middle adult years. In these syndromes, subclinical decreases in cardiac, skeletal muscle, and nervous system functional reserve probably begin long before the appearance of overt signs or symptoms. Therefore, preoperative assessment of organ system functional reserve such as maximal oxygen uptake is more useful than routine preoperative screening tests in defining the extent to which declining mitochondrial energy production has produced clinical compromise. Patients may ultimately be diagnosed during the evaluation of unexplained muscle weakness, ventilatory failure,130 or even upper airway obstruction.131 Deterioration is gradual but progressive and inevitably leads to incapacitation. Some mtDNA mutations accumulate over time in a single tissue type (e.g., skeletal muscle) where clinical deterioration during adulthood correlates with an increasing fraction of mutant mtDNA.132 In fact, in patients with skeletal muscle mtDNA mutations, the mutation load determines the extent of metabolic impairment and therefore the degree of exercise intolerance as indicated clinically by a reduced rate of muscle oxygen extraction in the face of exaggerated cardiopulmonary responses.133 Measurement of venous oxygen partial pressure during forearm exercise may therefore be of value, at least in adults, to assess the severity of aerobic compromise due to mitochondrial dysfunction.134 Nevertheless, the true incidence of these later-onset syndromes is unclear because of their insidious onset and the diversity of organ systems involved.135,136 "
 
I don't think it's such a big issue: as zippy said get a good history, if the patient fails to mention specific problems (like the guy last week who didn't remember that he was worked up 15 years ago for anaphylaxis to latex, which of course repeated during surgery) well you can't do anything but treat what you see.

Why would you refer the patient to a neurologist? If the patient had an systemic underlying condition why would it manifest itself only under GA??? MH variant no 10.000$ needed avoid triggering agents it's "all good" 🙂

i agree anesthesiologist should be physicians first but we could leave the mental masturbation out
 
I don't think it's such a big issue: as zippy said get a good history, if the patient fails to mention specific problems (like the guy last week who didn't remember that he was worked up 15 years ago for anaphylaxis to latex, which of course repeated during surgery) well you can't do anything but treat what you see.

Why would you refer the patient to a neurologist? If the patient had an systemic underlying condition why would it manifest itself only under GA??? MH variant no 10.000$ needed avoid triggering agents it's "all good" 🙂

i agree anesthesiologist should be physicians first but we could leave the mental masturbation out


Dude, come on.
 
which ones do?
In my opinion, your job as an anesthesiologist goes beyond providing a safe anesthetic, you actually become part of the patient's medical care and you are expected by society and the legal system to play this role effectively and accurately.
Your direct contact with the patient might be brief but you are a physician and should make sure that any occurrences or new findings under your care are transmitted to other physicians and not lost.
A suspicion of a muscular or metabolic disease that might be hereditary and might cause susceptibility to devastating complications should encourage more action than : let's just avoid triggering agents in the future and "it's all good" !
 
I agree, but what is your diagnosis?
I think it she has one of the various mutation of the ryanodine receptor so of course her and her children should be informed of this condition but what else do you want to do appart from not giving triggering agents?
 
I agree, but what is your diagnosis?
I think it she has one of the various mutation of the ryanodine receptor so of course her and her children should be informed of this condition but what else do you want to do appart from not giving triggering agents?
I also want to know if she has any muscle disease that will eventualy progress and become debilitating and I want to know if her children have the same thing too.
there might be no curative therapy for these diseases but there are things that can be done to slow down their progress.
 
Are you thinking of any disease in particular?
Proximal muscle weakness makes you think of primary muscle disease versus neurological disorders and this can be many things: one of the dystrophy's, a metabolic muscle disease (there is at least 10 of those), or simply polymyositis; but based on what I have right now and since I don't diagnose muscle diseases on a regular basis, I would rather let someone else do the investigative work.
 
Are you thinking of any disease in particular?

I think that is the job of the consulting Neurologist.

Elevated CPK certainly points to a myopathy/myositis but at only 2500 it can still be seen in neuropathic disorders. EMG post-operative while still weak would be ideal as it can differentiate between neuropathy and myopathy.

Myasthenia gravis?
 
I think that is the job of the consulting Neurologist.

Elevated CPK certainly points to a myopathy/myositis but at only 2500 it can still be seen in neuropathic disorders. EMG post-operative while still weak would be ideal as it can differentiate between neuropathy and myopathy.

Myasthenia gravis?

Why would MG cause CPK to crank up?
 
Why would MG cause CPK to crank up?

Not sure, and I don't think the CPK should go much above 500, but 2500 is not that high. From eMedicine:

Antistriational antibodies: Serum from some patients with myasthenia gravis possesses antibodies that bind in a cross-striational pattern to skeletal and heart muscle tissue sections. These antibodies react with epitopes on the muscle protein titin and ryanodine receptors (RyR). Almost all patients with thymoma and myasthenia gravis and half of the late-onset MG patients (onset > 50 y) exhibit an antibody profile with a broad striational antibody response. Striational antibodies are rarely found in AChR Ab negative patients. These antibodies can be used as prognostic determinants in MG; as in all subgroups of MG, higher titers of these antibodies are associated with more severe disease.

I did not find any good literature to back up the dx of MG based on the info provided, but it is a more common disease than the mitos. All the more reason to turf the Dx to Neuro.

My job would be to take over when everyone else is done or has given up.
 
Not sure, and I don't think the CPK should go much above 500, but 2500 is not that high. From eMedicine:

Antistriational antibodies: Serum from some patients with myasthenia gravis possesses antibodies that bind in a cross-striational pattern to skeletal and heart muscle tissue sections. These antibodies react with epitopes on the muscle protein titin and ryanodine receptors (RyR). Almost all patients with thymoma and myasthenia gravis and half of the late-onset MG patients (onset > 50 y) exhibit an antibody profile with a broad striational antibody response. Striational antibodies are rarely found in AChR Ab negative patients. These antibodies can be used as prognostic determinants in MG; as in all subgroups of MG, higher titers of these antibodies are associated with more severe disease.

I did not find any good literature to back up the dx of MG based on the info provided, but it is a more common disease than the mitos. All the more reason to turf the Dx to Neuro.

My job would be to take over when everyone else is done or has given up.

And what? Those antibodies cause muscle breakdown via compliment or whatever? Interesting for sure. But I'll leave all that stuff to the neurologist and the lab where he/she sends the muscle bx and blood/pee/poo/saliva/lymph/pixie dust.
 
Hot Damm, just as plain as day...OK, I think I know what she has but I'll leave it to Plankton to explain it to her... She has the Guanine to Cytosine translocation prodromal "Big Poppa" syndrome located on the "mack daddy" BS-4sur allele of chromosome 12. Regards, ------Zippy
 
Hot Damm, just as plain as day...OK, I think I know what she has but I'll leave it to Plankton to explain it to her... She has the Guanine to Cytosine translocation prodromal "Big Poppa" syndrome located on the "mack daddy" BS-4sur allele of chromosome 12. Regards, ------Zippy
Zippy,
I truly think you should go debate "minimally invasive anesthesia" with the Ketamine/Propofol guy, you guys seem to have comparable practical approaches to anesthesia.
Regards !
 
Zippy,
I truly think you should go debate "minimally invasive anesthesia" with the Ketamine/Propofol guy, you guys seem to have comparable practical approaches to anesthesia.
Regards !

It's chromosome 19 Zippy. but who really gives a crap if it ain't helping this lady out in a clinical standpoint, it don't matter. There is a miniscule amount of literature that would suggest Creatine supplementation may be effective in her rehab.
 
40 Y/O, BF, G5 P5, with HX of HTN, had anesthesia once as a child for tonsillectomy.
Underwent Post-partum tubal ligation under GA.
Induced with Propofol + Sux, Had some Masseter spasm on induction making intubation somewhat difficult.
After that, case proceeded uneventfully.
There was no increase of CO2, no tachycardia and no fever.
Post op she complained of some generalized muscle pain but wasn't bad enough to prevent her discharge from the hospital.
She returns to the hospital 24 hours later with severe generalized muscle pain, generalized muscle weakness and swelling of legs.
Still afebrile, No acidosis, Electrolytes are normal but CPK is 2500.
After more questioning she says that she remembers having a muscle biopsy done 10 years ago in the process of diagnosing refractory muscle spasms but was never given a diagnosis, and that her children have the same muscle spasms but none of them had any workup.
Next day her CPK improved to 800, she remained afebrile.
She continues to have muscle weakness and swelling, walks only with assistance but she feels a little stronger.
Sed rate = 38.
What's going on?
What should we do now?

I know periodic paralysis (hypo or hyperkalemic) can cause just proximal weakness. Does anyone know if it can cause increased CPK?

On a related subject, I learned something pretty cool studying for the boards recently. The reference is in the ACE exams put out by the ASA so I can't post them cuz I don't have those anymore, but what it said was that Motrin was the most effective at preventing post-sux muscle pain (taken before surgery) and that higher dose of sux actually has LESS pain. Also, the pre-conditioning dose of a Non-depolarizer has little (if any) affect on myalgias post sux.
 
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