Must have books for M2?

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I know RR Path is a very good book. Any suggestions on books for pharm, ethics, genetics, etc? Thanks

 

[SirGecko]

Lippencott is pretty good for pharm.

 

[Pons Asinorum]

There's a good roundup of available books, reviewed by subject with recommendations, in FA for Step 1, which is a book you'll need regardless.

 

[UAAWolf]

I know RR Path is a very good book. Any suggestions on books for pharm, ethics, genetics, etc? Thanks

BRS Phys? If your school has phys m2 like us

 

[fahimaz7]

Pharm Recall
CMMRS
RR Path
Robbins Path (baby robbins)

 

[turkeyjerky]

towards the end of the year, I started reading Robbins for each block--really wish I had done that the whole year, you really can learn a lot from it. I'd say the only true "must have" is RR Path. FA is must have for step 1, but won't really help you for ms2.

 

[Mace1370]

towards the end of the year, I started reading Robbins for each block--really wish I had done that the whole year, you really can learn a lot from it. I'd say the only true "must have" is RR Path. FA is must have for step 1, but won't really help you for ms2.

I don't think this is true. Using FA during first year is a great way to give you a mental blueprint of what you need to know. This happened to me all the time during ms2:

1) Read question, realize it is asking about disease "X"
2) Mentally picture section in FA about disease X
3) Mental picture of FA section jogs my memory about other stuff I need to know

 

[MossPoh]

towards the end of the year, I started reading Robbins for each block--really wish I had done that the whole year, you really can learn a lot from it. I'd say the only true "must have" is RR Path. FA is must have for step 1, but won't really help you for ms2.

Helped me tremendously...

 

[RapplixGmed]

FA: Outline of everything you have to know
RR: Path in a nutshell
BRS Neuroanatomy: Covers most of the neuro you ahve to know thats not in FA.
BRS Behavioral Sci: really really good resource for psych.
Pharm Flash Cards: Drugs drugs drugs
Micro flash cards: bugs bugs bugs

BRS Physio: good for reviewing physio every once in a while

 

[gravitywave]

There's a good roundup of available books, reviewed by subject with recommendations, in FA for Step 1, which is a book you'll need regardless.

this

FA: Outline of everything you have to know
RR: Path in a nutshell
BRS Neuroanatomy: Covers most of the neuro you ahve to know thats not in FA.
BRS Behavioral Sci: really really good resource for psych.
Pharm Flash Cards: Drugs drugs drugs
Micro flash cards: bugs bugs bugs

BRS Physio: good for reviewing physio every once in a while

what was your reason for picking BRS over HY for the brain stuff? only reason i ask is because most people seem to go to HY for that.

 

[RapplixGmed]

what was your reason for picking BRS over HY for the brain stuff? only reason i ask is because most people seem to go to HY for that.

BRS has pretty much the exact same thing as HY. BRS also has questions at the end of every chapter tho so you get to test your knowledge, which helps me a lot. I don't know if HY has that.

 

[gravitywave]

BRS has pretty much the exact same thing as HY. BRS also has questions at the end of every chapter tho so you get to test your knowledge, which helps me a lot. I don't know if HY has that.

cool, thanks.

 

[Kalyx]

towards the end of the year, I started reading Robbins for each block--really wish I had done that the whole year, you really can learn a lot from it. I'd say the only true "must have" is RR Path. FA is must have for step 1, but won't really help you for ms2.

Which Robbins?

Big --> http://www.amazon.com/Robbins-Cotra...TF8&coliid=I2P4QE1917JILD&colid=18HWCK6KEP2Z8

Medium --> http://www.amazon.com/Robbins-Basic...TF8&coliid=I2EQ2ILMF4AY55&colid=18HWCK6KEP2Z8

or Baby --> http://www.amazon.com/Pocket-Compan...TF8&coliid=I1R83XPC9QVK2W&colid=18HWCK6KEP2Z8

?

So many people will make some helpful statement about Robbins, and the problem is I have no idea which one they're talking about!


~Kalyx

 

[Mattchiavelli]

get the big one and try to get through it- you will do better on the boards and will greatly increase your resistance to pimping. It also has virtually all the microbiology you will need for boards.

 

[Kalyx]

get the big one and try to get through it- you will do better on the boards and will greatly increase your resistance to pimping. It also has virtually all the microbiology you will need for boards.

Hey, thanks! I appreciate the advice.



~Kalyx

 

[393656]

Back in my day (happen to be browsing this forum and now am in my last year of residency so I may be removed from you guys) but I sat in the library for 12 hours per day for my entire 2nd year with 3 books
-Robbins path (went through 2 books since I wore my first one out!)
-Katzung pharm (not the review book)
-costanzo physiology
*harrisons internal medicine-not read but supplemented many topics and read a fair share of it.

If you study from those you not only will do well on step 1 but I was able to carry much of the info throughout clerkships and residency to this day. I continue to use the info I built then to UNDERSTAND things and not memorize things. I think reading those books gets you off onto the right foot from the beginnning to learn mechanisms and think rather than memorize. Memorizing is fine for school but does nothing in the real world of practicing medicine. Learning how to utilize data and work with concepts is far more helpful. Data is readily available to look up but doctors are unique (or should be ) in the fact they can manipulate data, think about it, analyze it and extrapolate to unknown situations. Happens all the time if you are a good clinician

 

[armybound]

Here are the books I bought/used.

Path:
big Robbins - waste of my money thus far, never really used it
RR Path - useful for review
I usually just studied our lecture notes, filled in/reviewed with RR and FA when appropriate

Pharm:
Lippincott's pharm - useful for class, I didn't find it helpful for the shelf (not clinical enough)
I heard USMLERx was great for the shelf. If I could do it over again I'd have gotten a subscription leading up to the shelf

Misc:
Cecil's - very useful if you have a course like physical diagnosis/fundamentals of medicine. Read it when powerpoints weren't enough (it's a damn big book)
First Aid - good for review, but not for primary learning

Psych/behavioral:
First Aid for the Psych Clerkship - good resource
QBank - very useful for behavioral shelf

Ethics:
covered well in First Aid and QBank (behavioral section)

 

[OpalOnyx]

so many books, i really think i shall go crazy!

 

[Mace1370]

Which Robbins?

Big --> http://www.amazon.com/Robbins-Cotra...TF8&coliid=I2P4QE1917JILD&colid=18HWCK6KEP2Z8

Medium --> http://www.amazon.com/Robbins-Basic...TF8&coliid=I2EQ2ILMF4AY55&colid=18HWCK6KEP2Z8

or Baby --> http://www.amazon.com/Pocket-Compan...TF8&coliid=I1R83XPC9QVK2W&colid=18HWCK6KEP2Z8

?

So many people will make some helpful statement about Robbins, and the problem is I have no idea which one they're talking about!


~Kalyx

Medium. Big Robbins is used as a reference text for path residents. It is entirely unnecessary for medical school.

 

[todds]

Our class notes were horrendous. So were lecturres. Skip class and use these books

Micro/immuno - CMMRS/Immuno/Goljan sections on infection and immunopath

Pharm - Golan pharmacology (NOT goljan - this is a REALLY underrated pharm book that reviews physiology and is written by a physician, not some basic scientist)

Physical Diagnosis - Schwartz textbook of physical diagnosis and history - this is THE book for PD. FOrget about Bates, it's hot garbage in comparison

General Path/Systems -
Robbins BASIC pathology - big robbins is too much.

Step up to medicine for systems - this is real helpful as many examiners as clinical stuff along with pathophys

Costanzo Physiology -review relevant chapters b4 each system block and watch you murder exams

WebPath - very good for histopathology and imaging. Its a little too much for what you need but good to go over

Step 1:

If you've used all the above

FA/UWorld subscription/Goljan audio

 

[393656]

Medium. Big Robbins is used as a reference text for path residents. It is entirely unnecessary for medical school.

Completely false. That is written as a medical school level book. Residency uses specialized books specific to the sub-field they are rotating in-surgical path, forensic path, immuno path, breast path, soft tissue path.

Robbins is something all medical students should do. It is not overkill nor does it take anymore time than reading the crappy set of notes most schools give you. You will be better for it down the line to have an understanding. That is the difference between great diagnosticians and lousy ones-someone who has a in depth understanding of pathyphysiology, regardless of what speciality you are in-if you are good you can reason out many medical diagnosis

 

[todds]

Completely false. That is written as a medical school level book. Residency uses specialized books specific to the sub-field they are rotating in-surgical path, forensic path, immuno path, breast path, soft tissue path.

Robbins is something all medical students should do. It is not overkill nor does it take anymore time than reading the crappy set of notes most schools give you. You will be better for it down the line to have an understanding. That is the difference between great diagnosticians and lousy ones-someone who has a in depth understanding of pathyphysiology, regardless of what speciality you are in-if you are good you can reason out many medical diagnosis

I don't think Robbins does a good enough job of the "physiology" part of pathophysiology. Its good for path, but I dont think its as good as integrating stuff like Goljan can.

Plus, much of Robbins goes into TOO much depth - I get that you should have depth of understanding, but to read which genetic loci and exactly which transcription factors and signaling pathways are involved is a bit too much.

Thats why many are saying Medium Robbins + Robbins review of pathology + Goljan audio are the way to go.