My OMFS Residency Application Journey

[Yah-E]

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Well, ladies and gents, I can't believe it's that time already where I, once an "Under 3.0 Club" member is now applying to OMFS residency programs. Just over little three years ago I was on SDN posting hopes to be accepted to dental schools.....

I intent to build and use this thread, again, as a reference purpose to document a journey which often viewed as a top secret. This thread is not intent to be a "show off", "to brag", and/or "I know everything" thread! Any comments and/or advice about any part of this journey is completely and totally welcomed. I know my application weaknesses, but I am very excited and enthused to see how far my 2006 PASS OMFS residency application will take me.

Without any further to say or do, here are my stats/numbers:

Undergraduate Cumulative GPA: 2.66
Post-Bac GPA: 3.32

Specialty/Where: Goal to be accepted in an OMFS 4- or 6-year program
Dental School Attending: Nova Southeastern University
Year Earned DMD/DDS: 2006 (anticipated)
NBDE Part I/II scores: Part I - 90, Part II - to be taken post match
Class Ranking: 19/106 (top 18%)
GPA: 88.19% (3.54/4.00) - after 3rd year of dental school

Externship(s): 4 (12 weeks total)
LSU New Orleans (4 weeks) - during summer b/n 2nd & 3rd year
Univ. of Minnesota (3 weeks) - during winter break 3rd year
UTSW - Parkland (2 weeks) - during summer b/n 3rd & 4th year
Cook County, IL (3 weeks) - during summer b/n 3rd & 4th year

Research: half-assed, no publications

Extracurriculars:
Class President
Student Body President
Tutor
University Ambassador
Sh1t load of other crap
Ton of awards

PASS Application submitted: June 5, 2005 online
Application Recommendation Letter Writers:
1) Dr. Kaltman - Chair, Department of OMFS @ Nova Southeastern University
2) Dr. Galin - Chair, Depart. of Periodontology @ Nova Southeastern University
3) Dr. Swift - Chair, Department of OMFS @ University of Minnesota
4) Dean institutional evaluation

Residency Programs Applied: 20 total
Midwest: 8
1) Minnesota (4-year)
2) Michigan (6-year MD integrated)
3) Henry Ford (6-year MD intergrated)
4) Cook County (4-year)
5) UIC (4-year + MD option)
6) Indiana (4-year)
7) Case Western (5-year MD integrated)
8) Nebraska (5-year MD integrated)

East Coast: 8
9) UNC (4-year)
10) VCU (4-year + MD option)
11) Washington DC Hospital (4-year)
12) Maryland (6-year MD integrated)
13) Montefiore (4-year)
14) NYMC (4-year + MD option)
15) BU (4-year)
16) Seton Hall (4-year + MD option)

Southeast: 4
17) Miami (4-year + MD option)
18) LSU NO (6-year MD integrated)
19) UTSW - Parkland (6-year MD integrated)
20) Emory (4-year program)

Cost-to-date:
$1030 - 2006 PASS application to 20 programs
$70 - Match registration to obtain a match #
$40 - Official NBDE Part I scores sent directly to residency programs ($10/each)

Current status: gathering secondary application stuff, ordering official NBDE Part I scores, ordering official dental transcripts, ordering official undergraduate transcripts

Stay tuned for updates. Any comments about any programs, words of encouragments, and/or simply want to tell me to f@#k off, please feel free! As I mentioned before, I hope this will be another good reference thread for many and lets all wish me the BEST of luck here (as I know I'll need it)! 👍

 

[Dr.BadVibes]

Good Luck Andy....you have definitely been a OMFS keener since the beginning and have definitely shown a genuine interest...

Hopefully I can build up a great CV as you have during my dental school career, as Im a pedo keener myself....but I got 2 BIG years ahead of me for that!

You're a great inspiration!!! keep us posted!

 

[ItsGavinC]

Andy, I'm interested to see how this all pans out for you. It's been a long journey with you here, and if it all works out for you you'll still have quite a few years of training left.

I wish you luck with your applications!

 

[DDSSlave]

Good luck, I'm sure it will be a valuable vicarious experience for dental students and predents looking towards OMFS. One thing you might consider including is how much money all this costs. Most students don't realize the enormous expense particularly after factoring in interviews.

Just curious (and for a little discussion), how many interviews are you hoping to land with 20 apps? Also, are you ordering all dental, undergrad transcripts, board scores etc to be mailed out directly or sent to your house and subsequently mailed out?

Again, gl, I'm applying to ortho and will be submitting those apps soon, once I take the GRE. It's like having a 2nd full time job along with clinic.

 

[Yah-E]

Thanks everyone for your kind words.

20 applied, I'm hoping for at least one interview! To be honest, I'm hoping to receive 10! I really don't know, but we'll see. Since OMFS match is PHASE 2 match, interviews are usually in November and December 2005.

As far as NBDE Part I scores, dental and undergrad transcripts, it all depends on individual programs. Some programs want them to be sent directly to them and some programs don't even require official transcripts.

One official dental transcript is required with PASS application. I'm assuming a copy will be made to all programs that I am applying to. Some programs are simply anal, in additions to the copy of dental transcript from PASS, they still want an official copy! Don't ask me why? They just like to waste our money! Good luck with your Ortho application and the GRE (thank god that OMFS residencies doesn't require GRE)! Maybe you can keep us updated on your journey as well! 👍

 

[adamlc18]

Best of luck Andy. I was curious as to why oyu aren't applying to the program at Nova?

 

[Comet208]

Kepping my fingers crossed for you Andy. which school is your top choice now?

 

[txdent2be2007]

Best of luck, man! I look forward to hearing your opinion on these programs when you interview.

Thanks for encouraging those of us who will be applying in the next year or two. 👍

 

[shariq]

Good for you, like you i am also applying to os this year

btw, how was your externship at new orleans. tell me about your experience. And how come you are not applying to the school.

Btw, you should apply to NYU-bellevue which is an excellent program. They have one 4 year spot which they do not advertise. Montefiore is excellent. I applied there, this coming cycle but they did not accept me(those bastards) 😡

 

[Maxillicious]

Right on 👍

Ive been waiting for this thread a long time...I knew it was gonna come.

Good luck Andy 👍

 

[ktcook83]

Andy,

I've been anticipating reading about your journey as I found your other 2 (NBDE and externship) to be very interesting even though I'm still a lowly D0. 🙄 Best of luck to you and thanks for sharing your experience! 👍 🙂

 

[Supernova2008]

I see you all the time at school, and I know that you have what it takes for sure. To be honest, you are quite an inspiration for me in my quest through dental school...if none of these programs see what I see, I would be shocked. Best of luck to you,

Austin
NSU College of Dental Medicine Class of 2008

 

[Yah-E]

btw, how was your externship at new orleans. tell me about your experience. And how come you are not applying to the school.

Shariq:

I am applying to LSU NO. My externship experiences there you can find in a SDN thread titled "My Externship Journey" or something like that. I had a great time learning and socializing with the residents.

Everyone else, thank you so much for your supports. I know this thread will be boring for a while due to early in the game, but I'll keep updating as events unfold including interview experiences......stay tuned.

 

[Supernova2008]

Andy,

I am also curious to know when most of the OMFS programs around the country finish selecting most of their residents. Do you know if it takes as long as it did in applying to dental school ? You said you sent your application in in early June...are the majority of most classes selected by the fall, or does the process typically continue beyond Christmas break ? Also, do most OMFS programs make their selections without the majority of the applicants having taken the NBDE Part 2 exam ? These are two questions I have always wondered about,

Austin

 

[drhobie7]

I noticed (if I recall correctly) that you applied to Nebraska and Case Western. Those are 5 year programs right? What's your take on those? Thanks

 

[predentchick]

Best of luck Andy. I was curious as to why oyu aren't applying to the program at Nova?

Yes, I'm curious too. Why not? Please answer.

 

[gryffindor]

Andy,

I am also curious to know when most of the OMFS programs around the country finish selecting most of their residents. Do you know if it takes as long as it did in applying to dental school ? You said you sent your application in in early June...are the majority of most classes selected by the fall, or does the process typically continue beyond Christmas break ? Also, do most OMFS programs make their selections without the majority of the applicants having taken the NBDE Part 2 exam ? These are two questions I have always wondered about,

Austin

Austin - take a look here to see how OMFS acceptances work. Many dental post-grad program acceptances, including OMFS, are done using the match system.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=2084874&postcount=8

Andy - good luck! I have my fingers crossed for you!

 

[Doggie]

Austin - take a look here to see how OMFS acceptances work. Many dental post-grad program acceptances, including OMFS, are done using the match system.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=2084874&postcount=8

Andy - good luck! I have my fingers crossed for you!

Griffin, What are your plans for next year? Will you be applying for ortho again? I actually saw you at mt. sinai when I was there for my general practice rotation from columbia. It took me a while to make the connection that you were griffin. I was the one who was avid about extractions and oral surgery....hehe. 😍

Yah-E: best of luck.

 

[gryffindor]

Griffin, What are your plans for next year? Will you be applying for ortho again? I actually saw you at mt. sinai when I was there for my general practice rotation from columbia. It took me a while to make the connection that you were griffin. I was the one who was avid about extractions and oral surgery....hehe. 😍

Yah-E: best of luck.

LOL, you & your classmate told us if you did endo on your GP rotation, you'd get credit for it at school. I lined up some endo and then you guys never came back! Look at that, a real live SDN connection.

Since this is Andy's thread, I don't want to bog it down. Check your PM.

 

[OMFSResident]

Good Luck Yah-E It was just yesterday you came on the scene as a first year at Nova determined to aspired to become an oral surgeon. I am keeping my fingers crossed.

OMFSResident
Allegheny General Hospital

Well, ladies and gents, I can't believe it's that time already where me, once an "Under 3.0 Club" member is now applying to OMFS residency programs. Just over little three years ago I was on SDN posting hopes to be accepted to dental schools.....

I intent to build and use this thread, again, as a reference purpose to document a journey which often viewed as a top secret. This thread is not intent to be a "show off", "to brag", and/or "I know everything" thread! Any comments and/or advice about any part of this journey is completely and totally welcomed. I know my application weaknesses, but I am very excited and enthused to see how far my 2006 PASS OMFS residency application will take me.

Without any further to say or do, here are my stats/numbers:

Undergraduate Cumulative GPA: 2.66
Post-Bac GPA: 3.32

Specialty/Where: Goal to be accepted in an OMFS 4- or 6-year program
Dental School Attending: Nova Southeastern University
Year Earned DMD/DDS: 2006 (anticipated)
NBDE Part I/II scores: Part I - 90, Part II - to be taken post match
Class Ranking: 19/106 (top 18%)
GPA: 88.19% (3.54/4.00) - after 3rd year of dental school

Externship(s): 4 (12 weeks total)
LSU New Orleans (4 weeks)
Univ. of Minnesota (3 weeks)
UTSW - Parkland (2 weeks)
Cook County, IL - (3 weeks) to be completed in July - August, 2005

Research: half-assed, no publications

Extracurriculars:
Class President
Student Body President
Tutor
University Ambassador
Sh1t load of other crap
Ton of awards

PASS Application submitted: June 5, 2005 online
Application Recommendation Letter Writers:
1) Dr. Kaltman - Chair, Department of OMFS @ Nova Southeastern University
2) Dr. Galin - Chair, Depart. of Periodontology @ Nova Southeastern University
3) Dr. Swift - Chair, Department of OMFS @ University of Minnesota
4) Dean institutional evaluation

Residency Programs Applied: 20 total
Midwest: 8
1) Minnesota
2) Michigan
3) Henry Ford
4) Cook County
5) UIC
6) Indiana
7) Case Western
8) Nebraska

East Coast: 8
9) UNC (4-year program)
10) VCU
11) Washington DC Hospital
12) Maryland
13) Montefiore
14) NYMC
15) BU
16) Seton Hall

Southeast: 4
17) Miami
18) LSU NO
19) UTSW - Parkland
20) Emory (4-year program)

Cost-to-date:
$1030 - 2006 PASS application to 20 programs
$70 - Match registration to obtain a match #
$40 - Official NBDE Part I scores sent directly to residency programs ($10/each)

Current status: gathering secondary application stuff, ordering official NBDE Part I scores, ordering official dental transcripts, ordering official undergraduate transcripts

Stay tuned for updates. Any comments about any programs, words of encouragments, and/or simply want to tell me to f@#k off, please feel free! As I mentioned before, I hope this will be another good reference thread for many and lets all wish me the BEST of luck here (as I know I'll need it)! 👍

 

[lnn2]

....simply want to tell me to f@#k off...

ummmmhhhh.....Good luck man! 👍
You're a success story! an inspiration....you should write an autobiography...or pay someone else to do it for you! 😀
Best of luck with the match process. 👍

 

[Yah-E]

Good Luck Yah-E It was just yesterday you came on the scene as a first year at Nova determined to aspired to become an oral surgeon. I am keeping my fingers crossed.

OMFSResident
Allegheny General Hospital

Thanks for the words of encouragement. By the sound of it, you followed my posts from time to time since day one!

Well guys, not much happened this week. I just been hounding my letter writers to get the letters and the "professional evaluation forms" (either eform or paper form) done. I'm having all my evaluators to complete a "professional evaluation form" (either eform or paper form) for PASS and send a separate hard copy of a letter of recommendation to all my applied residency programs.

Yes, I'm asking them to send out 20 hard copies of a personal letter of recommendation. Some residency programs require this, but most do not. So besides staying on top of my writers this week, not much is new.

 

[DDSSlave]

Have you already submitted an application to each non-PASS program so that they will have a file to receive each Letter of Rec? Or are you sending out your LoR's before completing all the apps? If you've already submitted all your apps, I'm impressed. That's quite an undertaking.

 

[Yah-E]

Have you already submitted an application to each non-PASS program so that they will have a file to receive each Letter of Rec? Or are you sending out your LoR's before completing all the apps? If you've already submitted all your apps, I'm impressed. That's quite an undertaking.

I believe all the OMFS residency programs that I've applied to are PASS residency programs. I did not apply to any "non-PASS" or "non-Match" programs. However, there are 4 residency programs that I've applied to does require and has their own supplemental applications (which include fees) that I am currently working on getting in.

My PASS application is complete meaning:

1) I've paid the application fee online
2) I've submitted the application online
3) I've mailed in the "required" PASS documents (there's whole list of this)

The only items missing are my eforms (or paperform depending on my writers) and Dean's Institutional Evaluation. My goal is to have everything to PASS by July 1, 2005 because that is the first day that they process the first batch!

I've been told that even a residency program (PASS or non-PASS) does not have your PASS application yet, they would start an applicant file for you once they receive something in the mail from you meaning a letter or something. My classmates who are applying to Ortho have told me that there are many Ortho residencies has supplemental applications. That must suck! Luckily for me, I only have 4 OMFS programs that requires that. Good luck getting all that crap in!

 

[DDSSlave]

It seems about half the ortho programs participate in PASS and many of those require supplements. Several of the non-PASS programs also require supplements. It really takes a lot of organizing to keep up with them all. Add the GRE and the earlier deadlines and you've got a full time job.

 

[predentchick]

Andy... you should be a politician and not an OS. Why are you dodging my question? Why didn't you apply to your NOVA program??????? Just curious is all....

 

[Yah-E]

Andy... you should be a politician and not an OS. Why are you dodging my question? Why didn't you apply to your NOVA program??????? Just curious is all....

Seems like there are many wondering the same thing. Here's the deal, at NSUCDM OMFS program, we take 2 residents a year. Usually 1 of those spots are set aside (unofficially) for NSUCDM graduates. There are about 4 of us in my class currently that are openly admitting we want OMFS.

Out of the 4 of us, at least two of them have a very strong preference to stay in South Florida and/or at NSUCDM while myself, not too much. Initially, I wasn't going to even apply to Jackson Memorial in Miami because I wanted to leave South Florida and go back up to the wintery weather (ya know, where there are 4 seasons), but since I wanted to apply to at least 20 OMFS residencies and Maimi was one of those residencies in the state of FL that is tough to give up on so I added it to my applied list on PASS!

So in result, I only applied to Miami in the state of FL and leaving NSUCDM OMFS spots to my fellow wonderful classmates whom are more incline and want to stay here. NSUCDM OMFS is a great program and it is up-and-coming. It is very laid back. My decision to not to apply to NSUCDM OMFS has nothing to do with the program itself.

Is everyone cool now?

 

[predentchick]

Interesting. Thanks for answering. 😉

 

[tx oms]

Well, this thread has pulled me out of my leave of absence. Andy, you're still a tool. Good luck with your application. Here's a tip: your personal statement CANNOT, EVER, EVER, EVER help you. It can hurt you (very bad), so don't f--- it up.

 

[Yah-E]

Well, this thread has pulled me out of my leave of absence. Andy, you're still a tool. Good luck with your application. Here's a tip: your personal statement CANNOT, EVER, EVER, EVER help you. It can hurt you (very bad), so don't f--- it up.

Glad to wake the hibernating guru! Thanks for the tip about the personal statement!

 

[UNLV OMS GUNNABE]

Yes, I'm asking them to send out 20 hard copies of a personal letter of recommendation. Some residency programs require this, but most do not.

None of the programs I'm applying to ask for hard copies of Letters of Rec. I was thinking of sending a big ol' packet to each program with everything in it but someone told me that you don't want to send a bunch of extra stuff, just what they ask for. Any thoughts anyone?

 

[UNLV OMS GUNNABE]

Well, this thread has pulled me out of my leave of absence. Andy, you're still a tool. Good luck with your application. Here's a tip: your personal statement CANNOT, EVER, EVER, EVER help you. It can hurt you (very bad), so don't f--- it up.

Have any examples of how to screw it up?

 

[north2southOMFS]

None of the programs I'm applying to ask for hard copies of Letters of Rec. I was thinking of sending a big ol' packet to each program with everything in it but someone told me that you don't want to send a bunch of extra stuff, just what they ask for. Any thoughts anyone?

Yes, you are right that none of the programs require you to send out the fancy letters of rec. But I sent them in and it must not hurt anything because I got almost every interview i applied for, and plus, as a person who interviews, those PASS letters of rec all look the same and no one ever reads them anyhow. They usually only read the individual ones. Also, if you do send hard copies from the writer directly, usually their secretary will personalize the letter for you. So it will say "Dear Dr. Ghali".... instead of "to whom it may concern"....It looks much more professional and gives the gist that the person writing the letter actually got to know you.

To put it in movie terms.....yes if the minimum number of 15 pieces of flare is enough for you then fine, but your co-interviewees may have more flare than the minimum 15 pieces.

 

[north2southOMFS]

Have any examples of how to screw it up?

Dont make it too long. Nobody in the world will read it. Also, try and avoid putting the reader in a clinical scenario in the beginning, its way overdone and kinda annoying.

eg. "beep....beep....beep.....was all i heard in the operating room when I was laying in the operating room with all my arms and legs torn off and my face smashed in after the accident. I saw the oral surgeon come in and pull my tooth, from then on i knew i had to become an oral surgeon...."



Cheeeeeesy!!!!

 

[lnn2]

"beep....beep....beep.....was all i heard in the operating room when I was laying in the operating room with all my arms and legs torn off and my face smashed in after the accident. I saw the oral surgeon come in and pull my tooth, from then on i knew i had to become an oral surgeon...."

Cheeeeeesy!!!!

wow, did someone actually write that? 😱 in a post-doc application? 😕

Cheeeeeesy and total bsssssssss!!!!!

 

[tx oms]

To put it in movie terms.....yes if the minimum number of 15 pieces of flare is enough for you then fine, but your co-interviewees may have more flare than the minimum 15 pieces.

Some flare is better than others. 15 extra pieces of dog **** pinned to your shirt isn't the same as 2 extra gold nuggest pinned to your shirt. I don't like to read a packet with tons of recommendation letters. Lots of people have them but most of those letters sound impersonal and say the same thing.

Extra letters MUST be written by an oral surgeon. If you send something from a periodontist I swear to god 😡... Also, if you're going to force me to glance at, much less read, something extra I'd like it to be unique. Hopefully the writer can tell me something about you. BTW, "he is one of the top 5 percent of students I have trained", "he will be a great addition to your program", and "he has impressed me with his work ethic and maturity" are not unique to you. I promise. There is one cliche I don't mind: "we will have a spot for him at our program if he decides to stay" or something similar.

Let's talk about personal statements. First, I read these things with a red pen. Don't be the guy with spelling, punctuation, or grammar mistakes. Just don't. If you've done something special in your life, tell me. I don't care if you ran a marathon or went to Europe, so shut up. However, if you've done something that shows me your dedication to oral surgery and/or hard work (yeah, a marathon is hard but people who do them like to run--no one loves tooth calls at 3:00am) tell me. Your goal with the statement is to convince me that you're going to work hard so I don't have to pick up your slack AND to make me like you (not make me feel sorry for you, a popular theme last year). I'm a narcissist and have obsessive compulsive personality disorder (DSM-IV verified). I like other people who think the same (omsres for example), if that helps.

Your combinations of numbers and connections will get you an interview. Some extracurriculars can help get the interview, as can an externship (both of these make up for dings in the numbers). Externships and personal statements can also both block an interview. If you are a tool don't expect an interview from your externship. If you don't interview anywhere you externed, you're a tool--get a clue. If your personal statement is bad, filled with cliches, sob storries, or touchy-feely crap, don't expect many interviews.

More important than getting the interview is the actual interview. Once you're here you're equal to everyone else. Whipe that #1, 4.0, 99/100 smile off your face b/c I don't care anymore. I'm trying to answer one question when I interview you: do I like this person? All I'm trying to do is rank each of you according to how much I like you. Therefore, be cool. Also, be confident but not arrogant. IF YOU ARE A MAN DO NOT, FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THINGS HOLY, TELL ME YOUR HOBBY IS SHOPPING. Do not bore me with your hobbies if I have no interest in them. Don't sit there like a bump on a log. Don't force me to talk all the time, but you don't need to talk all the time either. Don't discuss politics with me unless you love God, mamma, apple pie, and GW Bush (this applies in the south, in the north feel free to discuss the benefits of communism).

Finally, a word for the ladies. If this offends you, please PM me so I can cross you off my list. The following is reality--get over it. When you come to interview understand that I think you're either real cool, like one of the boys, immature/dorky, or a real bitch. In my opinion, those are the only types of girls in medicine. I don't like bitches or immature dorky girls. Girls, be confident on your interview but don't even let me think you have an once of women's lib in you. You figure it out.

 

[Yah-E]

Some flare is better than others. 15 extra pieces of dog **** pinned to your shirt isn't the same as 2 extra gold nuggest pinned to your shirt. I don't like to read a packet with tons of recommendation letters. Lots of people have them but most of those letters sound impersonal and say the same thing.

Extra letters MUST be written by an oral surgeon. If you send something from a periodontist I swear to god 😡... Also, if you're going to force me to glance at, much less read, something extra I'd like it to be unique. Hopefully the writer can tell me something about you. BTW, "he is one of the top 5 percent of students I have trained", "he will be a great addition to your program", and "he has impressed me with his work ethic and maturity" are not unique to you. I promise. There is one cliche I don't mind: "we will have a spot for him at our program if he decides to stay" or something similar.

Let's talk about personal statements. First, I read these things with a red pen. Don't be the guy with spelling, punctuation, or grammar mistakes. Just don't. If you've done something special in your life, tell me. I don't care if you ran a marathon or went to Europe, so shut up. However, if you've done something that shows me your dedication to oral surgery and/or hard work (yeah, a marathon is hard but people who do them like to run--no one loves tooth calls at 3:00am) tell me. Your goal with the statement is to convince me that you're going to work hard so I don't have to pick up your slack AND to make me like you (not make me feel sorry for you, a popular theme last year). I'm a narcissist and have obsessive compulsive personality disorder (DSM-IV verified). I like other people who think the same (omsres for example), if that helps.

Your combinations of numbers and connections will get you an interview. Some extracurriculars can help get the interview, as can an externship (both of these make up for dings in the numbers). Externships and personal statements can also both block an interview. If you are a tool don't expect an interview from your externship. If you don't interview anywhere you externed, you're a tool--get a clue. If your personal statement is bad, filled with cliches, sob storries, or touchy-feely crap, don't expect many interviews.

More important than getting the interview is the actual interview. Once you're here you're equal to everyone else. Whipe that #1, 4.0, 99/100 smile off your face b/c I don't care anymore. I'm trying to answer one question when I interview you: do I like this person? All I'm trying to do is rank each of you according to how much I like you. Therefore, be cool. Also, be confident but not arrogant. IF YOU ARE A MAN DO NOT, FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THINGS HOLY, TELL ME YOUR HOBBY IS SHOPPING. Do not bore me with your hobbies if I have no interest in them. Don't sit there like a bump on a log. Don't force me to talk all the time, but you don't need to talk all the time either. Don't discuss politics with me unless you love God, mamma, apple pie, and GW Bush (this applies in the south, in the north feel free to discuss the benefits of communism).

Finally, a word for the ladies. If this offends you, please PM me so I can cross you off my list. The following is reality--get over it. When you come to interview understand that I think you're either real cool, like one of the boys, immature/dorky, or a real bitch. In my opinion, those are the only types of girls in medicine. I don't like bitches or immature dorky girls. Girls, be confident on your interview but don't even let me think you have an once of women's lib in you. You figure it out.

Great insider preview. Sounds like you (residents) have quite of impact on applicant selection at your residency.

 

[simpledoc]

Initially, I wasn't going to even apply to Jackson Memorial in Miami because I wanted to leave South Florida and go back up to the wintery weather (ya know, where there are 4 seasons), but since I wanted to apply to at least 20 OMFS residencies and Maimi was one of those residencies in the state of FL that is tough to give up on so I added it to my applied list on PASS! So in result, I only applied to Miami in the state of FL.

andy, i hope you are not under-estimating U Miami at Jackson and realize that it is one of the no.1 progs in North America for trauma and reconstruction and is known to be an excellent program overall...so i guess its worth missing the 4 seasons this😉
ps: the 4 seasons are worth missing for the hot chicks on south beach anyways! 😛

 

[Yah-E]

andy, i hope you are not under-estimating U Miami at Jackson and realize that it is one of the no.1 progs in North America for trauma and reconstruction and is known to be an excellent program overall...so i guess its worth missing the 4 seasons this😉
ps: the 4 seasons are worth missing for the hot chicks on south beach anyways! 😛

I absolutely understand and know UMiami is a great program, therefor that is the only program that I applied to in FL. Yes, there are many hot @ss chicks down in South FL, but my gorgeous "the one" is up in the midwest! I'm very happy that I have applied to UMiami.

 

[omfresident]

"I don't like bitches or immature dorky girls."

Translation: I have little experince with women because I still refer to them as girls, and I have little social experince outside of work/school because I still call people dorks.

All kidding aside, Txs omfs gave pretty good advice. THough yah-e, I would apply to your schools program even though you don't plan on ranking them. Not applying to your home program is always a red flag.

 

[Yah-E]

THough yah-e, I would apply to your schools program even though you don't plan on ranking them. Not applying to your home program is always a red flag.

Great to see you back and thank for the suggestion. It's too late now because I've submitted my PASS application already and my OMFS chair already knows that I'm not applying to his program. As far as not applying to my own program as a "red flag", I don't believe it is if I didn't leave a negative impression with my program and the program chair wrote me a positive recommendation.

Though, I can understand how that can be a "red flag". Two seniors matched last year, neither of them applied to our school. It's nothing against the program, we simply wanted to be closer to friends and family else where in the country.

 

[toofache32]

Here's why you should apply to your home program: If you don't want to go there, apply anyway but don't rank them. Because if you don't match, you'll be asking those same guys to write recs again next year. If you don't show interest in them, don't expect shining recs. In other words, "don't bite the hand that feeds you."

 

[Yah-E]

Here's why you should apply to your home program: If you don't want to go there, apply anyway but don't rank them. Because if you don't match, you'll be asking those same guys to write recs again next year. If you don't show interest in them, don't expect shining recs. In other words, "don't bite the hand that feeds you."

I guess we'll see. I had the same concerns before, but after seeing the previous two seniors match without even applying to here, I don't believe our program chair is like that. I think in more established programs, these rules has more impact than new program like NSU OMFS (they're really laid back here).

 

[ItsGavinC]

More important than getting the interview is the actual interview. Once you're here you're equal to everyone else. Whipe that #1, 4.0, 99/100 smile off your face b/c I don't care anymore. I'm trying to answer one question when I interview you: do I like this person? All I'm trying to do is rank each of you according to how much I like you. Therefore, be cool. Also, be confident but not arrogant. IF YOU ARE A MAN DO NOT, FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THINGS HOLY, TELL ME YOUR HOBBY IS SHOPPING. Do not bore me with your hobbies if I have no interest in them.

ROFL. Reminds me of Dr. House.
😀

 

[Yah-E]

Today I completed two supplemental applications:

LSU
Washington Hospital Center (DC)

I also requested official transcripts from:

University of Minnesota (14 transcripts)
Macalester College (13 transcripts) - I took two physic classes here in undergrad

I only have 12 residency program out of 20 applied that requires undergrad transcripts, but I thought I order some extras just in case.

Cost-to-date:
$1030 - 2006 PASS application to 20 programs
$70 - Match registration to obtain a match #
$40 - Official NBDE Part I scores sent directly to residency programs ($10/each)
$70 - 14 official transcripts from Univ. of MN ($5 each)
$65 - 13 official transcripts from Macalester College ($5 each)
$30 - supplemental application fee @ LSU
$30 - supplemental application fee @ Washington Hospital Center

 

[adamlc18]

Today I completed two supplemental applications:

LSU
Washington Hospital Center (DC)

I also requested official transcripts from:

University of Minnesota (14 transcripts)
Macalester College (13 transcripts) - I took two physic classes here in undergrad

I only have 12 residency program out of 20 applied that requires undergrad transcripts, but I thought I order some extras just in case.

Cost-to-date:
$1030 - 2006 PASS application to 20 programs
$70 - Match registration to obtain a match #
$40 - Official NBDE Part I scores sent directly to residency programs ($10/each)
$70 - 14 official transcripts from Univ. of MN ($5 each)
$65 - 13 official transcripts from Macalester College ($5 each)
$30 - supplemental application fee @ LSU
$30 - supplemental application fee @ Washington Hospital Center

How come you aren't sending your scores to every program?

 

[Yah-E]

How come you aren't sending your scores to every program?

Because your official NBDE Part I scores are certified in your Dean's Institution Evaluation along with your each and every year's class ranking. Dean's Institutional Evaluation goes to PASS and then will distribute to all indicated residency programs. Therefore, most OMFS residencies will accept that as official NBDE Part I scores. Only very small numbers of OMFS residencies require an official NBDE Part I score report directly from ADA, in my case, only 4 residencies out of 20 requires an official report care directly from ADA.

You dig?

 

[tx oms]

ROFL. Reminds me of Dr. House.
😀

Gavin, some guy actually told omsres and I that the way he unwinds after a long day at school is shopping. Then he asked where the good shopping around here is. I didn't have an answer, but fortunately omsres has found several good dress shops in town.

Translation: I have little experince with women because I still refer to them as girls, and I have little social experince outside of work/school because I still call people dorks.

That's what fat girls and losers like to believe.

 

[adamlc18]

Because your official NBDE Part I scores are certified in your Dean's Institution Evaluation along with your each and every year's class ranking. Dean's Institutional Evaluation goes to PASS and then will distribute to all indicated residency programs. Therefore, most OMFS residencies will accept that as official NBDE Part I scores. Only very small numbers of OMFS residencies require an official NBDE Part I score report directly from ADA, in my case, only 4 residencies out of 20 requires an official report care directly from ADA.

You dig?

I dig and thanks for the reply.

 

[north2southOMFS]

Cost-to-date:
$1030 - 2006 PASS application to 20 programs
$70 - Match registration to obtain a match #
$40 - Official NBDE Part I scores sent directly to residency programs ($10/each)
$70 - 14 official transcripts from Univ. of MN ($5 each)
$65 - 13 official transcripts from Macalester College ($5 each)
$30 - supplemental application fee @ LSU
$30 - supplemental application fee @ Washington Hospital Center
$100 - male prostitutes in various towns

Yah-E, I thought you were going to keep that under wraps?