My realistic chances for a Rad residency

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Hi Folks,
I need your input for this. Grad of 97. Scores 94 Step 1 on second attempt and 87 step 2. Little or no experience in Rad. No research or publications. the majority programs i applied to in NY. I am a FMG.
Your input is definitely needed as i dont have any idea as to what my real chances are. On paper they are slim.
Please excuse if my question is a usual feature 🙂
Thanks
Dj
 
uh...if you have little experience in Rads, why are you considering it. not to discourage you, but i'm just curious.
 
Good question 🙂
Rad will allow me to have a more flexible schedule to begin with. I have two sons and i feel a bit bad when i cant spend time with them. I have experience mostly related to Internal Med but it is pretty hectic. Not that rad is any less but comparitively less.
Thats one big factor.
Second my real 'exposure' to rad was only a couple of months back as i was offered an elective rotation of my choice during an ER job. I opted for this specialty. I found it amazing. CT, MR and particularly interventional rad are simply awesome.
Reasons enough i hope. I hope you can answer my orignal question, thanx for writing !
 
I hate to tell you this but this is what I know about FMG's

talking to the program director of my school, he was telling me about how many applications they get. he said they get about 500 applications 250 of them being FMG's so really you're competeing with 250 people! Basically no matter what stats background etc. the FMG's had they weren't even looked at. This is one of the better programs so it may be different at other places but that's all I have been exposed to.
 
Yeah IMG's really don't have much of a chance to match. I didn't see the stats for last year, but for the year I matched (2002), 17 IMG's matched into radiology and you're considered an IMG if you went outside the states for med school and came back so I'm not sure how many of those 17 were really IMG's in need of visas. There simply is no reason to look outside the pool of MD and DO applicants. There's more than enough outstanding applicants from this pool and the PD have experience with the medical schools and don't have to worry about visa issues. Good luck though.
 
Not exactly a very rosy picture is it?!! BUt i'll keep my fingers crossed, a little more than usual though after reading the situation.
Thanx.
 
Are you from India? If so do not worry about coming here.... do a couple years in India to get a "radiology diploma" and then go to work for WIPRO. You can then steal the work of actual real board certified radiologists in the USA. The good thing is that you may make $30,000 a year, I think that is 1.5 million Rupees!! Good luck!
 
Originally posted by RADRULES
Are you from India? If so do not worry about coming here.... do a couple years in India to get a "radiology diploma" and then go to work for WIPRO. You can then steal the work of actual real board certified radiologists in the USA. The good thing is that you may make $30,000 a year, I think that is 1.5 million Rupees!! Good luck!
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Yes!! How hilarious! A blatantly racist comment followed by a total mockery of another nation and its people.
What could be more funny!
Encore! Encore!
 
i'm glad that indian "radiology diploma" holders are stealing the work of pompous, racist people like radrules. you know, you can make the same point without sounding so uneducated, radrules. you think you know all about india b/c you know two facts about it.

dr.cuts - i'm honestly surprised by your response. pls don't encourage "ruthless yet humorous" postings.
 
hi Cuts,
I would agree with Gwen on this one.There's a very thin line between being outspoken and being obnoxious(racist) and Radrules has crossed it this time.The post was not about telerad and his comment was completely out of context.One can't censure everybody who posts on thes boards taking the help on anonymity but yes,atleast people shouldnt encourage and stand up for him.And was it funny!!..Well..to each his own..
Just like no one should be encouraging telarads,no one should be encouraging these racist comments too...
Regards
 
Do a search, RADRULES is always either attacking someone else or getting ridiculously defensive over something...all the while telling you how awesome he is. It's quite endearing, I must say.🙄
 
Its funny cause radrules is Indian himself I think, judging from some previous posts. He is a punk, but its really funny to get under his skin, I used to all the time, and he acts like such a whiny little pus*y. He's the epitomy of someone who can dish it out but can't take it.
 
Well
I have to say it is possible for IMG to get Rad program in USA but hard.
A friend of mine from England managed it.
You also know that if a program accepted a IMG candidate for its program - that candidate is about 10.5 times better than the US graduates rejected from that program.
Hence u have to work hard on your board scores and do a quality research paper.
Once you are in visa problems kick in.
If you are single I am sure you can find easy ways to get around that and become permanent resident.
Good Luck to All.
Raj
 
Originally posted by Rajshah

If you are single I am sure you can find easy ways to get around that and become permanent resident.
Good Luck to All.
Raj
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Most Indian doctors are actually fairly proficient in English, at least in comparison to Mexican, Russian, Eastern European and Chinese doctors.

The latter are the pits in my opinion, at least as far as pronounciation and enunciation are concerned.

However, I have to ask this question, why do many Indians insist on omitting articles and adjectives? That can be very annoying...

Case in point---Rajshah, why did you write "become permanent resident," instead of the more appropriate "become a permanent resident?"
 
Originally posted by Rajshah
Well
I have to say it is possible for IMG to get Rad program in USA but hard.
A friend of mine from England managed it.
You also know that if a program accepted a IMG candidate for its program - that candidate is about 10.5 times better than the US graduates rejected from that program.

Raj
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10.5 times better? Are you sure it is not 10.25 times better? I think I need to see your calculations again.😛
 
Originally posted by Goober
10.5 times better? Are you sure it is not 10.25 times better? I think I need to see your calculations again.😛
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Now that was funny..
 
You people may not like me, but I speak the truth. I am not afraid to say what everyone else in radiology is thinking. I am a no-BS kind of guy, and it that rubs people the wrong way, then ohh well.

I also have posted a lot of good information on this worthless forum many times before. Having been through the trenches, I have lot of useful knowledge for all of you chumps.

By the way, I am not racist, and yes I am of Indian ancestory myself. But, I am 100% against WIPRO and Indian teleradiology. Why? Because it has everything to do with money and making a select few people very wealthy. I didn't work this hard and go through all this sh&t to have my job shipped to Banglore. Maybe all you p*ssy PC rads out there don't care, but I sure as hell do and will fight it tooth and nail.

Sad thing is that the average "anglo" American will sit around and take it as Azim Premji (WIPRO CEO) collects $billions in Banglore from outsourced US jobs and talks **** about how Americans are stupid, lazy and have an inferior educational system.

Wake up you *****s!!
 
Originally posted by RADRULES
You people may not like me, but I speak the truth. I am not afraid to say what everyone else in radiology is thinking. I am a no-BS kind of guy, and it that rubs people the wrong way, then ohh well.

I also have posted a lot of good information on this worthless forum many times before. Having been through the trenches, I have lot of useful knowledge for all of you chumps.

By the way, I am not racist, and yes I am of Indian ancestory myself. But, I am 100% against WIPRO and Indian teleradiology. Why? Because it has everything to do with money and making a select few people very wealthy. I didn't work this hard and go through all this sh&t to have my job shipped to Banglore. Maybe all you p*ssy PC rads out there don't care, but I sure as hell do and will fight it tooth and nail.

Sad thing is that the average "anglo" American will sit around and take it as Azim Premji (WIPRO CEO) collects $billions in Banglore from outsourced US jobs and talks **** about how Americans are stupid, lazy and have an inferior educational system.

Wake up you *****s!!
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Here's a link to an article that discusses the above issues:

http://www.cwa-1062.org/todays_tidbit.htm
 
99.9% of radiolgoist are against WIPRO and their ilk. The only ones who aren't are the few MGH radiologists and a couple others that are profitting off these gigs. Wipro will eventually lose because of the eventual lawsuit that will occur with a non certified rads from India reading the case. They are probably violating HIPAA regulations and once ACR takes a position on the situation it will hopefully strongly discourage such practices.
 
Why do you guys have to get so up in arms over this issue? If there really is a difference between having films read here vs. India, then eventually a study will be done that shows higher morbidity/mortality amongst hospitals that outsource their films. Then you guys should have nothing to worry about, right? And don't tell me its all about the bottom dollar. The study that came out from hopkins recently showing an overall 30% higher mortality in ICU staffed by non-anesthesiologists has gotten JHACO all excited, and its now mandating that hopsitals need to be staffing their ICUs with intensivists. That will obviously cost more in the long run, but once the need was demonstrated, it supercedes cost. So if you guys can prove that teleradiology sucks, and that more people are being misdiagnosed because of it, then you should all be fine. It seems like you're all worried because you know that there may not be any real difference.
 
The question is not whether there is a difference in Radiologists in the US and in India or any other that country for that matter. The key issue is what are the requirements to practice medicine in the US? If a doctor can circumvent the requirements to practice medicine in the US, than why even have residency/licensure in the first place? The very nature of medical practice could be eroded in the US

Actually all practicing physicians should be a concerned. If this is successful, than it will be only a matter of time before it starts affecting other specialties.

Pathology-images can be digitized and sent overseas to be read

dermatology- digital images of patient's skin condition can be made.

Internal medcine specialist consultations- sounds crazy, but what if some HMO administrator decided that it would be cheaper to send primary care consultations to India via telemedicine.

BTW having a study that proves your point does absolutely nothing. There are numerous studies that show rads read radiographic studies better than other docs but that has not stopped the clinicians from reading their own films.
 
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Originally posted by RADRULES
You people may not like me, but I speak the truth. I am not afraid to say what everyone else in radiology is thinking. I am a no-BS kind of guy, and it that rubs people the wrong way, then ohh well.

I also have posted a lot of good information on this worthless forum many times before. Having been through the trenches, I have lot of useful knowledge for all of you chumps.

By the way, I am not racist, and yes I am of Indian ancestory myself. But, I am 100% against WIPRO and Indian teleradiology. Why? Because it has everything to do with money and making a select few people very wealthy. I didn't work this hard and go through all this sh&t to have my job shipped to Banglore. Maybe all you p*ssy PC rads out there don't care, but I sure as hell do and will fight it tooth and nail.

Sad thing is that the average "anglo" American will sit around and take it as Azim Premji (WIPRO CEO) collects $billions in Banglore from outsourced US jobs and talks **** about how Americans are stupid, lazy and have an inferior educational system.

Wake up you *****s!!
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Hey Radrules..
Don't try to make yourself a martyr here.We just tried to make a stetement here that this post was not about telerads and your statement was out of context.That's it,period.You really wannna stop Premji inc,do some thing useful rather than post inane and racist statements on this WORTHLESS forum.
Regards
 
How 'bout you kiss my @ss? I am trying to educate the younger and new members of the radiology profession about the situation. I have already done my part with regards to fighting WIPRO/MGH, sending several letters to the ACR and my Senator.

What have you done?

You are right about one thing, why should I care so much? By the time this teleradiology thing takes off enough to threaten my salary I will already have 7 figures put away easy. It is the younger/new generation that will get f*cked.

Get lost *****.
 
Originally posted by RADRULES
How 'bout you kiss my @ss? I am trying to educate the younger and new members of the radiology profession about the situation. I have already done my part with regards to fighting WIPRO/MGH, sending several letters to the ACR and my Senator.

What have you done?

You are right about one thing, why should I care so much? By the time this teleradiology thing takes off enough to threaten my salary I will already have 7 figures put away easy. It is the younger/new generation that will get f*cked.

Get lost *****.
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Keep on trucking RADRULES ...I always enjoy your posts.

Everyone else - lemmie just say that RADRULES is one of the few posters who are practicing radioligists who actually have interesting things to say. Everyone else posts the same, tired-ass "what are my chances" or "what do radiologists do" type of crap.

Not to mention his sh-t is funny as hell.

If you don't like his posts, then skip over them when you see his name on the left of the screen. Its that simple.
 
Originally posted by LovingItAll
Keep on trucking RADRULES ...I always enjoy your posts.

Everyone else - lemmie just say that RADRULES is one of the few posters who are practicing radioligists who actually have interesting things to say. Everyone else posts the same, tired-ass "what are my chances" or "what do radiologists do" type of crap.

Not to mention his sh-t is funny as hell.

If you don't like his posts, then skip over them when you see his name on the left of the screen. Its that simple.
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Radrules,that's as obnoxious a response as one can get.I guess the martyr stuff really got under your skin.Yes,do carry your EDUCATION of us IDIOTS.Wow!!What gumption!!No point made to you at all I guess.
Hey,loving it all.I am missing something here.What's so funny here????Few kiss my @sses and f*king *****s??
Please carry on radrules if that's everyone wants.
Regards.
 
Actually, the only idiot I was refering to was you.

I like, respect, and enjoy conversing with most of my fellow radiology collegues.

But, your smack is so weak that I enjoy calling you out on your nonsensical remarks. Once again, I ask, what have you done??
 
Originally posted by RADRULES
Actually, the only idiot I was refering to was you.

I like, respect, and enjoy conversing with most of my fellow radiology collegues.

But, your smack is so weak that I enjoy calling you out on your nonsensical remarks. Once again, I ask, what have you done??
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Ok,lets end this.This is going nowhere.Just not worth it.
 
Well, it is entertaining. By the way, isn't there a large number of radiologic procedures that could never be outsourced? Obviously interventional. Aren't there others?
 
Originally posted by Mr.Tweed
Well, it is entertaining. By the way, isn't there a large number of radiologic procedures that could never be outsourced? Obviously interventional. Aren't there others?
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Rad procedures won't be outsourced internationally but there is a greater danger for them being outsourced to other specialties. In case you didn't know there is a huge turf battle between cards and rads for Angiography which cards seems to be gaining every year. I called my former resdiency director and he told me that the hospital administration has forced rads to let cards to angio in the rads suites. This happened several years ago and now cardiology is doing 60-70% of all the angio procedures and has there own Interventional cardiology fellowship set up.
 
... because they're gonna want and get access to the IR suite unless rads gets on this soon. Things don't have to go far to be gone.
 
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