Natural cures they dont want you to know about

[Beau Geste]

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I think the commericals with "natural (not hormones!) cures for menopause symptoms" are hilarous. Because estrogen is something COMPLETELY "unnatural"- I mean, who on earth has estrogen in their system unless it was made in an evil lab somewhere? 🙄

My husband thinks estrogen was made in an evil lab...... 😀

 

[gujuDoc]

My husband thinks estrogen was made in an evil lab...... 😀

We should respond to him that it is the testosterone in these males that is evil not us estrogen infiltrated females!!!!!!!

 

[Beau Geste]

We should respond to him that it is the testosterone in these males that is evil not us estrogen infiltrated females!!!!!!!

Muah ha ha ha!!!!!!

 

[gujuDoc]

👎 👎 👎 Speak for yourself dbag.

No offense, but there is a better way of stating things then calling someone a dbag everytime they say something that upsets you. This is the second thread I've seen you do that in, and it isn't cool because it just brings about fights in civilized discussions.

I think that is why people jumped on you though you and I were saying the same thing in that other thread. The difference was in the way you stated it came off the wrong way and was misinterpreted by some. Just a thought. Please don't take offense to this post. Its just that this is the second thread where I noticed a fight started in which you've called someone a dbag, where it was not really necessary.

 

[tara14]

I'm embarrassed to admit that my father gave me this book for Christmas. Man - dads reallly don't know how to pick out presents for their daughters. I haven't even really looked at the book - it is now gathering dust on my bookshelf. I've kinda stopped trying to argue with my dad about this kind of stuff - he is very gullible. In fact he's now on a kick that drinking vinegar before eating will help him lose fat because he read it in one of these stupid type of books. Before that he was on a kick about eating bee pollen. Unfortunately I think this type of book fosters more negative opinions and less trust in health care and health care providers and preys upon the lack of knowledge that the public has on health issues.

 

[USCguy]

I don't know about making you lose weight, but the apple cider vinegar for heart burn/indigestion has worked for me. I always get really painful indigestion when I eat alot (holidays, etc), but I tried the glass of ACV after I ate a large meal and didn't experience heart burn or indigestion throughout the christmas/new years feasts. I don't know the science behind it, or if it's mechanism is the one claimed "heart burn from not having enough acid, so drink acidic water and be healed!". But it worked for me (I know this is anecdotal at best). Anyone out there with similar problem, this might be worth a shot

 

[Law2Doc]

I don't know about making you lose weight, but the apple cider vinegar for heart burn/indigestion has worked for me. I always get really painful indigestion when I eat alot (holidays, etc), but I tried the glass of ACV after I ate a large meal and didn't experience heart burn or indigestion throughout the christmas/new years feasts. I don't know the science behind it, or if it's mechanism is the one claimed "heart burn from not having enough acid, so drink acidic water and be healed!". But it worked for me (I know this is anecdotal at best). Anyone out there with similar problem, this might be worth a shot

Suggesting remedies without understanding the science or why they work is dangerous, and can cause more harm than help. If you truly had eg. a peptic or esophageal ulcer, you could seriously hurt yourself by stoking the fire with additional acid. Sure, lots of herbal remedies and folk medicine work. Far more of them can kill you under the right circumstances. Reliance on anecdotal evidence is dangerous if the circumstances are different (and they always are). The best system is one where the mechanism/chemistry gets understood, the other possible drug interactions get understood, some period of animal testing and then clinical trials is done and only THEN a treatment is suggested.

 

[PeterG]

It makes me feel like this guy is cheapening what most of us plan to do with our lives. I just needed to vent everyone 😡

Interesting thread. Why do you say you feel like his book "cheapens" medicine? Lots of people give medical advice without being an M.D. like naturopaths and homeopaths for example. I think what bothers you is when someone oversteps their bounds, correct? But where do you draw the line? I mean can a naturopath not reccomend something to a patient because he isn't an M.D.? I don't think his book "cheapens" medicine but then I'm not an M.D. I just have an interest in medicine, psychiatry and naturopathy.

Anyway, let's say I'm a writer sitting at home watching T.V. and I see a commercial for a book that will tell you how to write a novel in 30 days or less. Does that mean that the novels I've written have somehow been cheapened because there's someone out there telling people they can write a novel in 30 days? I don't think so. If you are confident in what you do it won't matter what other people say "quacks" or not. Am I right?

 

[PeterG]

Suggesting remedies without understanding the science or why they work is dangerous, and can cause more harm than help. If you truly had eg. a peptic or esophageal ulcer, you could seriously hurt yourself by stoking the fire with additional acid. Sure, lots of herbal remedies and folk medicine work. Far more of them can kill you under the right circumstances. Reliance on anecdotal evidence is dangerous if the circumstances are different (and they always are). The best system is one where the mechanism/chemistry gets understood, the other possible drug interactions get understood, some period of animal testing and then clinical trials is done and only THEN a treatment is suggested.

I think the real problem here is not the book but that the "alternative health" industry isn't regulated. When you go buy a vitamin at the health food store you should know that what you're getting is exactly what it states on the bottle label. Unfortunately these things are not regulated.

 

[Jaykms]

I'm not sure if it was mentioned all ready but I saw on TV last night that the guy who sells that Natural Cures book was arrested twice for fraud.

 

[gujuDoc]

A friend of mine has this book and I told her he's a quack but she kept saying she thinks he's not. Oh well, no sense in arguing with her.

She'll find out some day when she's a doctor how much this book is quack.

 

[Sundarban1]

I'm not sure if it was mentioned all ready but I saw on TV last night that the guy who sells that Natural Cures book was arrested twice for fraud.

Yes, he is a fraud. 👍

 

[Stroganoff]

Dug up some links. All good, especially the first one.

Analysis of Kevin Trudeau's
"Natural Cures" Infomercial (2004) by Stephen Barrett, M.D.

Wait, There's More: Kevin Trudeau's 'Natural Cures,' Swallowed by Millions Without A Prescription (Washington Post)

FTC Actions Against Trudeau (Quack Watch)

 

[Abilify]

I've read a couple chapters of "Natural Cures" since my dad swears by it. It's quite interesting to see how he spins things. He takes a little bit of truth and stretches it as far as he possibily can. Everything is a toxin or a poison. My dad actually tried the vinegar thing since he has GERD. He swore by the vinegar for 2 days and then said the hell with it and went back to Nexium.