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NDB part1

Discussion in 'Dental' started by smilemaker, Oct 13, 2002.

  1. smilemaker

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    Hello all
    This is such a wonderful forum with so many of us sharing ideas and thoughts and so much of information ..It is really nice ..sitting all by oneself and preparing for the boards is really so tough ..Only self motivation is keeping most of us going ..
    Kindly do giude people like me on the
    1.Best approach to get good scores on part 1 .??
    2.How many monthsof intense preparation is really necessary?.
    3.How good a GPA is needed to get into schools ?
    4.Will having done some volunteer work help out in interviews?

    What is that ""all of you wished that you had done better/different "" to score on NDBE PART1
    any info would be really useful....
    Kindly all of who have given the exams ..help out please .
    Thanks in advance:
    smile maker:p
     
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    I wish I would have concentrated more on the Dental Decks and less on my own class notes, Kaplan book, etc. I also wish I wouldn't have slacked on Dental Anatomy/Occlusion just because I thought my intstructors did such a good job in teaching us. I felt so confident in that area that I spent less time on it. I didn't do bad on that part, but could have done better. I think 3 months of intense prep is d questions unitl about 2 weeks to a month before, that way good. 8hours a day and call it quits. Don't do released boarthey are fresh. I didn't see too many repeated questions from past released boards. There is lots of histology on the anatomy part. The dental anatomy/occlusion is very wordy. Hope that helps and good luck to you smilemaker! (cute name!):D
     
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    Hi,
    Thanks for all yor insights ..It is really helpful..Have you secured admission to dental school? Did you go through adavnced standing Program?..
    All the best to u
    smilemaker:p
    "knowledge is Power"
     
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    [Hello all
    This is such a wonderful forum with so many of us sharing ideas and thoughts and so much of information ..It is really nice ..sitting all by oneself and preparing for the boards is really so tough ..
    Only self motivation is keeping most of us going ..
    Kindly do guide people like me on the ...
    1.Best approach to get good scores on part 1 .??
    2.How many months of intense preparation is really necessary?.
    3.How good a GPA is needed to get into schools ?
    4.Will having done some volunteer work help out in interviews?
    5. Did anyone of you have a study plan /timetable that you followed ..that really helped you?
    What is that ""all of you wished that you had done better/different "" to score on NDBE PART1
    any info would be really useful....

    Kindly all of who have given the exams ..help out please .
    Thanks in advance:
    smile maker:p
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    Hi,
    I got some help regarding Dental anatomy , on what to read , I thought that I can share it with all of you who are currently preparing for Part1 NDBE .This book is recommended.

    Here's the link to the book at Amazon.Com:

    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/A...4002085-5826422

    The newest edition now lists Scheid as the lead author.
    Good luck!

    Smilemaker
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  7. Reetika sharma

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    Hi
    how's life?
    this is really a great forum . iam a new member and doing final
    year of graduaion .
    i would like to have complete guidance from you regarding
    NDB.
    THANKS
    reetika
     
  8. DesiDentist

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    Reetika,

    When you come to the US take a Kaplan course for the NDBE part 1. It costs around 1,000 - 1,500 US dollars. It will give you a good overall base. Also, get some old exams from people on this board.
    And be ready to spend a lot of money applying. However getting over 85% on part one is a must. anything less will be detrimental to your career in the US. It is advisable to get above 90% My cousin had a 91% at it was hard for her to get into NYU (which has the most slots for advanced standing students). Study hard, there are very few slots in the US.

    DesiDentist
     
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    HI
    desidentist
    thanks for your mail .after reading it i can judge how difficult it's gonna be
    since i am in final year what all preparation i can start right now.
    our academicbooks are enough for knowledge or should i refer to some other books too .
    would u advice me tobuy part1 material which is available on this site .
    neways wat about u? r u practicing or studing
    thanks again
    reetika
     
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    Reetika,

    Your books will give you an indepth idea. However, you want to study smart not too hard for this exam. I would invest in getting some old NDBE Part I exams, come to the US and take a Kaplan NDBE course which will help you lay everything out.

    As for me, I just got accepted to Dental school. I'm just deciding between U.Pennsylvania, Temple, and NOVA. I'm still waiting for a response form U.Washington. As of right now I am stuck between NOVA and U.Pennsylvania.

    I am not an advanced student, but a US citizen entering a four year program. There are probably more knowledgable people who are advanced standing students on this forum other than me. I am just telling you based on the experiences of my cousin who is at NYU right now in her 2nd year out of 3 years of hell.

    Hope this helps.

    DesiDentist
     
  11. smilemaker

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    Hi,
    Can anyone recommend a good book for osteology , I heard that many questions were asked on bones, this time on NDBE 02' exams..
    Thanks
    smilemaker:p
     
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    Hi,
    Does anyone have an know if NDBE part1 question Booklet of 1998 has been released or not??
    smilemaker
     
  13. DesiDentist

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    I bought the 1998 Part I boards from a friend. So I'm assuming it is released, but it appears that it isn't distributed yet by ADA.

    DesiDentist
     
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    Hi,
    How much did you buy it for???and would it be possible for you to make a copy ?I want to buy it...How much would you sell the copy for?Are the formats of the papers same as before???1996? 1994??
    Let me know
    smilemaker
     
  15. There's a released 1994??
     
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    HI everyone,

    You can download the 1998 released nbde 1 for free from this site:
    http://dentistry.uic.edu/students/exams/nbp1_1998/nbexam.htm

    If this doesn't work let me know. You can print it and everything. If anyone comes across any website that provide downloadable tests (can be tests for different dental classes) please share to everyone.

    Also, for those of you who have taken the test, please rank the following in terms of how much time I should focus in studying to maximize board scores.

    1. Dental Decks
    2. Released exams
    3. Review Book such as Kaplan
    4. Class notes
    5. Class old tests
    6. Textbooks

    If there is anything that I missed that you feel is important please add. Thank you for ranking them for me!!!
     
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    Hi,
    Thanks for posting 1998 exam paper on the website ..It has really proved so useful.
    As far as materials for preparing NDB part1 goes ..I think you have about everything from what I see that you have listed...
    All the best for preparing
    smilemaker:p
     
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    Hi,
    Does anyone know of any good "charts" that might explain Anatomy and also Dental anatomy ..
    Where to get them from ..Can anyone post a link ??
    smilemaker:p
     
  19. Be'You

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    the best charts for studying dental anatomy are found in the dental anatomy section of Kaplan review book for nbde I. there is a chart which summeries all the eruption times, root formations and the relative contact areas. But if u want my suggestion, doing old exams for dental anatomy makes u prepared the best. Pay attention to the "root formation" subject, they asked alot of questions on nbde I in 2001.
    For anatomy, make sure that you know the decks very well, then know plates 30-45 in Netter's atlas. and Old exams
     
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    Hi,
    Thanks for the info ..I do have Netters Anatomy Flash cards ..I shall also look through the Atlas..and I do have the kaplan Book
    I appreciate all your timely help.
    I just wanted to know, is there a study plan that would help me to study better, like how many days do I need per subject/ How to go about studying , Basically a study Schedule...It would be of great help if you can guide me ..
    Thanks
    smilemaker:p
     
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    smilemaker,

    It all depeneds on how well did u do in your pre-doc courses.

    I think the best plan is to spend 2 weeks per subject. Micro/path may need a little more time. I would start 1st with biochem/physio from the decks (make sure u know it very well), if u need to study more, use lippincott biochemistry review (biochem) and physiology board review series (Physiology). Make sure to spend like 3 days and the end of 2 weeks period to go over old exams. Then i would go to anatomy, the decks help + old exams + atlas. remember, human anatomy questions has been always the same. For micro/path, buy the pathology board review series, it helps a lot. and for micro buy the book "microbiology made redicoulously simple". Buy these 2 books if you have a solid base for micro/path. OLD EXAMS is the best source to study micro/path. Some people say the decks help in that section, buy i am not sure. Dental anatomy should be the easiet to study. Do the kaplan chapters + old exams + a cup of coffee. make sure you know all the details. The kaplan dental anatomy section takes about 5 days + 5 days for decks + 3 days for old exams. (When i say 5 days, i assume that you have classes in the morning).
    one more thing, make sure u Know the "muscles of mastication+tooth develop. + salivary glands + PLD" chapter of the kaplan book pp. 596-622.
     
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    Hi, Be' You,
    Thanks for the insight and great info ..I shall follow your timely advice ..as far as my study schedule goes ..I study during morning hours more ..as Im an Foreign Trained Dentist applying for the Advanced Standing Program that is made available to us in almost 8 schools...!!
    I find the portion about occlusion and tooth movements in Dental anatomy difficult and I have seen that the asda question papers have a lot of questions on them...I do have Wheelers book , but tooth movements the way they have been asked have not been given there ..Any suggestions ?
    Thanks once again ..
    smilemaker:p
     
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    Wow....That is realy helpful be'you ..thanks for your time..

    Wish there is more Be'You like YOu in this forum :clap:
     
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    Hi,
    I think that if we have these materials , we should do good in our upcoming Exams..July Part1 NDB
    1) Dental Decks( 2001 Edition)
    2) Asda Reprints.( 1987-1997)
    3)Referance / Review Books.
    4) Study Schedule......
    smilemaker:p :p
     
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    How does lippincott's compare to the board review series-biochemistry? Also, would you reccomend buying the board review series-histology?
     
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    Hi,
    The best bets for passing NDB part 1 are , Dental Decks and Question papers .. and maybe a few of your Old Class notes ..As time is really short , it is important that you study effectively..and fast ..You don't need use usmle books as they are to in detailed and that much of detail is not asked in the Dental Boards ..
    Just follow a study timetable and you should do fine ...
    1) Dental Decks( 2001 Edition)
    2) Asda Reprints.( 1987-1997)
    3)Old class notes if necessary....
    4) Study Schedule......
     
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    Foreign-trained dentist licensure considerations
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    The information provided in this letter is intended for you if you are one of the following:

    ? Foreign-trained general dentist
    ? Foreign-trained dental specialist

    The Committee has determined that minimal requirements for licensure examination eligibility include the following: (1) that your dental education is equivalent to or greater than that of a dental education provided at a school that is accredited by the American Dental Association?s Commission on Accreditation, (2) that you graduated with at least a 2.0 Grade Point Average (GPA), (3) that failed courses were passed the second time they were taken, and (4) that you have actively practiced dentistry or have graduated from a dental program within the past five years. You must meet these minimum requirements to be considered for licensure.

    The Board of Dentistry has chosen an evaluation service that will assess your education completed at a foreign school. The Credentials Committee of the Board will use the report to determine whether your education is equivalent to an accredited program. Please contact Educational Credential Evaluators, Inc. (ECE) at (414) 289-3400, or www.ece.org and request their Application for Evaluation of Foreign Educational Credentials. Please submit your completed application form and all requested documents to ECE. On your application, you must request that a subject analysis report be sent directly to the Minnesota Board of Dentistry.

    While you are waiting for the subject analysis report to be sent to our Committee, please submit the following documents to our office. These documents will become part of your permanent file with the Board and will not be returned to you. Please note that all photocopies that you send should be certified by a notary public to be true copies of the original documents and have the signature and stamp of the notary public. Photocopies that are not notarized will not be considered by the Committee:

    ? The document titled ?Affidavit of Applicant? that is included with this letter (please sign before a notary public), and the foreign-trained dentist questionnaire.

    ? A personal letter, curriculum vitae, or r?sum? that describes what you have been doing professionally since graduation from dental school. Please give specific dates and information.

    ? Notarized photocopies of proof of actively practicing dentistry within the past five years (tax statements, patient billings, etc.)

    ? A notarized photocopy of your dental diploma and an original or notarized photocopy of its official translation if it is not in English.

    ? Notarized photocopies of all diplomas or certificates that you have been awarded for advanced education in dentistry and original or notarized photocopies of official translations when originals are not in English.

    ? Complete a continuing dental education minimum six hour course in infection control that emphasizes current Center for Disease Control (CDC) guidelines and submit your course completion certificate with the course description, book, and/or handouts. The course must be completed within the five years prior to application. Please contact the Board if you are unsure whether the course you have selected will meet the Committee?s request.



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    ? A notarized photocopy of proof of passing the TOEFL or MELAB English proficiency examination within the past two years. For information contact:

    Educational Testing Service English Language Institute
    TOEFL Exam UMI - MELAB Office
    (609) 921-9000 (734) 764-2416
    www.toefl.org www.lsa.umich.edu/eli/index.htm

    Minimum: Total Listening TWE (Minimum score of 80 with a mean score
    Computer: 213 21 5 of 85 in Part II, Listening.)
    Written: 550 55 5

    ? You may choose to submit additional documents for consideration by the Board. Please have all photocopies notarized as true copies of the original documents. When originals are not in English, please include the original or notarized photocopy of an official translation.

    EXAMINATIONS

    If you have passed any of the following exams, please submit proof to the Committee. If you have not completed any of these exams, in your personal letter please request the Committee?s permission to take the unfinished exam(s). The Committee is primarily concerned with evaluating your education; if you do not submit the following documents, evaluation of your education will not be delayed. However, proof of passing these exams must be received before your license can be issued.

    ? A notarized photocopy of your National Board Examination score, Parts I and II. This examination is offered throughout the United States and Canada. For information contact:

    American Dental Association
    Commission on National Board Examination
    211 East Chicago Avenue
    Chicago, IL 60611
    tel: (800) 621-8099
    web: www.ada.org

    ? A notarized photocopy of your passing score on the clinical examination administered by either the Central Regional Dental Testing Service (CRDTS) or the Western Regional Examining Board (WREB). To be accepted for licensure application, CRDTS must be passed within the five years prior to application and WREB must be passed in 2001 and thereafter. For information contact:

    Central Regional Dental Testing Service Western Regional Examining Board
    (785) 273-0380 (602) 944-3315
    www.crdts.org www.wreb.org

    ? Minnesota Jurisprudence Examination: A notarized photocopy of your passing score on the Minnesota Jurisprudence Examination is required if the exam was passed after April 1, 2002. If you completed the exam prior to April 1, 2002, please indicate in your personal letter the month and the year the examination was passed. If you need to take this exam, you may call the Board at (612) 617-2259 and request that information regarding the Minnesota Jurisprudence Examination be mailed to you.

    They are saying that they actually licensed some foreign trained dentists through this process

    So I'm really thinking about this option now that most doors are closing....I would also advise you to get the most current info directly from the board as this is still like general guidelines that they may change
    Here is the link for the Minnesota Board of Dentistry:
    http://www.dentalboard.state.mn.us/

    Hope this helps
    smilemaker

    :p
     
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    Foreign Trained Dentist- READ THIS
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    -Important Info on deadline ext. CAL bench Exam
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    There is a bill (AB 1467) currently in the California State Assembly to extend the deadline for the California examination for foreign dentists. The bill was introduced on February 21st, 2003 by Gloria Negrete-McLeod a state assembly person representing the Cities of Chino, Montclair, Ontario and Pomona. The original bill proposes an extension of two years until January 2006, however the amended bill proposes an extension of three years until January 2007.

    If the bill passes in the state assembly, it will then have to go to the state congress and if it passes there it goes to the governor for ratification. The whole process is a bit more complicated then that, but generally speaking that?s the process.

    The PDA link below states that the bill is being sponsored by ?Western Dental Services and two other large dental service providers in California.? They also expect the bill to be opposed by California Dental Association and five dental schools in the state. The Dental Board of California is also likely to oppose the bill. The Board met April 3rd to discuss the bill, I have not been in contact with the Dental Board about the meeting yet, but I plan to contact them next week and get their official position on the bill. It took me a week to get the bill number and author info so it may take some time to get in contact with the correct person.

    This bill should go to committee April 29th. Unfortunately, I only got the bill number and author info today so there may not be a lot that can be done for next weeks committee. I did call Christine Kehoe my local assembly person in San Diego, and spoke with one of her representatives. I expressed my opinion and ask that she vote for the bill. He seemed sincerely interested in what I had to say and was going to pass the information on to Mrs. Kehoe. The short story is, there?s not much we can do before next week but if the bill is moved on, we can contact our Assembly representatives after the committee meeting. I will attempt to contact the Chair for the Committee on Business and Professions Monday of next week.

    Next week if the bill gets through committee you should contact your local representative. If you currently live in California you can contact your local assembly person and tell them you would like them to vote for AB 1467. A non-citizen can contact their local representative, I called and spoke with a representative from Mrs. McLeod?s office and they verified this for me. If you have any friends or family in California; urge them to call their local assembly person and do the same. For out-of-state/country students, it probably wouldn?t hurt to contact your future assembly member. There is link below to figure out who your local assembly person is.

    I?ve done my best to thoroughly research (in one day) all the facts on this bill, but if anyone has any useful links, corrections or other info please let me know.

    Useful links

    Bill as introduced 02/21/2003
    http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/...introduced.html


    Bill amended 04/7/2003 ? The amended bill is a general revision of the original but appears to add an additional year to the original bill. The new revised bill extends the date to January 2007 unfortunately; the general tone and urgency of the original bill were also removed.
    http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/...mended_asm.html

    PDA ? Philippine Dental Association - This site has general info on the bill
    http://www.pda.org.ph/pdanews.asp?new_id=s&rctr_id=1

    To Lookup for the bill for updated info ? check here for updates.
    http://www.assembly.ca.gov/acs/acsframeset2text.htm
    search for AB1467

    find your assembly member here
    http://www.assembly.ca.gov/acs/acsframeset9text.htm

    Assembly info
    http://www.assembly.ca.gov/clerk/AB...ABOUTOFFICE.HTM



    :D
     
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    hi smilemaker,

    could you please get in touch with me? I need to ask you about something off this topic. Thanks. ( I can't get to email or PM you).
     
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    is it virtually impossible getting in with a lower than 85% score? anyone with anecdotal evidence to the contrary wld do me a whole lot of good
    :(

    anyone have any idea how the admissions to advanced placement in columbia work and what likely weightage do they give to ones national board scores?
     
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    As far as I know, Columbia has a "test" besides NDB .
    So to get admission in this school is a lot harder than NYU/ BU.!
    smilemaker
     
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    Hi,
    Does anyone know what they test us for in the " Bench test" in schools during your interviews .??Where can we learn these procedures from in the east coast
    Some of the best schools are asking students to take a " RT exams / Bench test before admissions
    1.Loma Linda ,
    2.Columbia University
    Completed applications should be submitted to the following address:
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    Admissions Office
    Columbia University School of Dental and Oral Surgery
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    ATTN: Advanced Standing Program

    Admissions Procedures:

    Interviews/ bench exams: Personal interviews are by invitation only and are held at the School of Dental and Oral Surgery. A bench exam is also required of those applicants invited for interview. SDOS will administer the exam on a one-time basis and on a specified date. The exam will involve conducting operative and prosthetic procedures on a mannequin; SDOS will provide all necessary instruments.

    3.Case Western Ohio,
    4.UCLA
    5.USCF
    6.UOP
    Any info will be useful...
    smilemaker:p
     
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    Hi,
    Is anyone taking part1 exams in december and would like to join a study group and discuss study tips.. and keep up the motivation.. besides studying from decks and papers and kaplan books any other materials being used ..please kindly post info ..
    Thanks
     
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    Hi,
    If anyone is willing to sell their" Little Brown Boichemistry Review "Book , Kindly send me a PM .
    Thanks :confused:
     
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    Hi,
    Wondering is anyone preparing for part1 NY/ NJ???Send me a PM and we can discuss ASDA papers.
    How is everyones preparation going on???
    Thanks
     
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    Hi,
    3 weeks more to go for the Exams....!!!How is everyone doing?? Have you all completed the papers and the decks 2times and what about other materials???
    Has anyone tried the NEW online KAPALAN QUESTION BANK???..I heard that they have improved the Q bank to suit the needs of dental students???

    It has really been so hectic the last few weeks so much to cram !..and loads more to go..just stuck at anatomy ...
    What are all of you scoring in the papers ..???
    What are all your last weeks plan ..what are you planning on to study ..Any feed back apprecaited..Remember we are all in this ..Kindly help..
    Thanks
    Toothlaw
     
  38. docbubble

    docbubble Junior Member
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    Hi,
    Thanks for all the info.
    By the way ,where can one purchase the board review series?
    Anu
     

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