Need Advice - Low MCAT Score

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lerm89

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Hi everyone,

I just got my 5/26 MCAT score and I got a 32Q (PS:12, VR:8, BS:12). I'm extremely bummed about my super low verbal score, especially since my AAMC average was 13/10/13 and I wasn't expecting lower than a 10. GPA is 3.88. I'm planning on submitting my application next week with this score, but I already registered for another go on August 12th.

My question is... is it even worth it to retake if I end up getting a 35? Schools will get my updated score pretty late, mid September. I'm worried my current MCAT score is too low for MD/PhD, considering the averages at most schools are around 35. Otherwise, I have 2 years of research experience, good EC's, and great LOR's.

Any advice would be appreciated..
 
Most schools will look at your app as soon as you're complete, notice that you're retaking the MCAT, and then look at your app once again when the new scores come in.

Also this should be moved to Pre-Allo.
 
Many in the committee weighing applications at various MD PhD programs are likely to be nonEnglish speakers with their own sore spot about MCAT VR, though it is true that MD PhD programs get their academic picks. Two science 12s are very strong, though, so there will be competing applicants with higher composite and lower science scores.

So much of MD PhD selection has to do with predilections of the admissions committee and research interests I suspect. These are people looking for others who will work with them in the lab. Start reading novels and poems and tell people in the interview that your low VR score was a wake up call. It is an odd thing to be able to interpret biological science passages so well yet have messed up the VR so badly, because there many biological sciences passages that require the same kind of fixity of consciousness.

If I were you I might do another review of the sciences and try imagining you can actually picture the author of VR passages as a person and use your normal social instinct for communication to understand what they are saying in a straightforward way. I have a feeling you are using some kind of underlining system or other MCAT prep nonsense that is distancing you from the expressive and appelative dimensions of what you are reading. To score that low you aren't reading VR passages in a critical way so you don't have the shared understanding of the author's intention the test maker presupposes in intelligent reading. Picture a kind of sexy bookish lady with horn-rimmed glasses or an avuncular genius who is an old friend though trying to get across something outside your normal field of comfort. If you imagine that they will be disappointed as a friend if you don't have something substantive in reply, you will find you understand the questions better.

My feeling is that you might consider retaking the MCAT if you think you can defend the 12s in science, but you can't take those for granted, so it is a difficult question. I would explain the retake of the test in interviews as a point of pride mainly to show you are a good reader.

Also, if your thoughts are so strong to research, you can use the summers in a standard MD to build a resume for a strong fellowship. This can get you to exactly the same place career-wise in research in the same or less years. The MD PhD stipend and tuition waver are good, but they aren't as good as a few years of top shelf earnings at a good teaching hospital. What I mean is that under money practical wisdom imperative the MD PhD isn't really so great compared to alternative pathways. So much of the early MD PhD curriculum is the MD curriculum anyway, so work life isn't all that different either. You could be doing the same thing in ten years either way. With the MD and your own benchtop, ideas, experience, and publications, nobody will care. Learning how to think of research problems, trouble shoot SDS PAGE gels, know when to use Current Protocols or Maniatis, being the one with the right LSC cocktail - National Diagnostics - those are the things a principal investigator really cares about. Whether a PhD dissertation is first in the line of a scientist's research it isn't the end all and be all and doesn't matter that much in all but dysfunctionally farked labs where the PI or some old never ending graduate student is an open sore of personality disorder, which is always a risk anyway. An MD with a curriculum vitae is still a doctor of science.
 
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Many in the committee weighing applications at various MD PhD programs are likely to be nonEnglish speakers with their own sore spot about MCAT VR, though it is true that MD PhD programs get their academic picks. Two science 12s are very strong, though, so there will be competing applicants with higher composite and lower science scores.

So much of MD PhD selection has to do with predilections of the admissions committee and research interests I suspect. These are people looking for others who will work with them in the lab. Start reading novels and poems and tell people in the interview that your low VR score was a wake up call. It is an odd thing to be able to interpret biological science passages so well yet have messed up the VR so badly, because there many biological sciences passages that require the same kind of fixity of consciousness.

If I were you I might do another review of the sciences and try imagining you can actually picture the author of VR passages as a person and use your normal social instinct for communication to understand what they are saying in a straightforward way. I have a feeling you are using some kind of underlining system or other MCAT prep nonsense that is distancing you from the expressive and appelative dimensions of what you are reading. To score that low you aren't reading VR passages in a critical way so you don't have the shared understanding of the author's intention the test maker presupposes in intelligent reading. Picture a kind of sexy bookish lady with horn-rimmed glasses or an avuncular genius who is an old friend though trying to get across something outside your normal field of comfort. If you imagine that they will be disappointed as a friend if you don't have something substantive in reply, you will find you understand the questions better.

My feeling is that you might consider retaking the MCAT if you think you can defend the 12s in science, but you can't take those for granted, so it is a difficult question. I would explain the retake of the test in interviews as a point of pride mainly to show you are a good reader.

Also, if your thoughts are so strong to research, you can use the summers in a standard MD to build a resume for a strong fellowship. This can get you to exactly the same place career-wise in research in the same or less years. The MD PhD stipend and tuition waver are good, but they aren't as good as a few years of top shelf earnings at a good teaching hospital. What I mean is that under money practical wisdom imperative the MD PhD isn't really so great compared to alternative pathways. So much of the early MD PhD curriculum is the MD curriculum anyway, so work life isn't all that different either. You could be doing the same thing in ten years either way. With the MD and your own benchtop, ideas, experience, and publications, nobody will care. Learning how to think of research problems, trouble shoot SDS PAGE gels, know when to use Current Protocols or Maniatis, being the one with the right LSC cocktail - National Diagnostics - those are the things a principal investigator really cares about. Whether a PhD dissertation is first in the line of a scientist's research it isn't the end all and be all and doesn't matter that much in all but dysfunctionally farked labs where the PI or some old never ending graduate student is an open sore of personality disorder, which is always a risk anyway. An MD with a curriculum vitae is still a doctor of science.


very nice and thorough post
 
Many in the committee weighing applications at various MD PhD programs are likely to be nonEnglish speakers with their own sore spot about MCAT VR, though it is true that MD PhD programs get their academic picks.

Can anyone confirm this? I find this hard to believe. I'm also pretty sure that people who don't speak English don't work at American universities.
 
They can speak English, but it isn't their first language. At my school, the MD/PhD committee has a fair amount of ESL scientists (with primary languages of German, Chinese, Russian, and Spanish that I know of). Also, several students in my program aren't native English speakers--know it well, but not our first language (hence 9s and 10s on VR for us).
 
I am not a native speaker - I came to the US when I was 9 (from former USSR). I believe the 8 was a fluke, since I speak English fluently and consider it to be my primary language (though I do speak Russian fluently as well)... all the AAMC practice exams I took I didn't score lower than a 10..

I was planning on submitting my primary next week and hopefully finishing my secondaries by mid to end of August. However, my PI told me I should consider waiting to send my secondaries until after my new MCAT score comes in (Sept. 13th) so that the admissions committee reviews my "better" application rather than put me in the maybe pile right away. Is this a good idea? Or should I try to be complete as early as possible?
 
Have I been away from this application business so long? Since when is a 32 a low MCAT score???? Isn't it above the mean for accepted applicants?

The 32 overall isn't a low score, but the 8 in verbal is low.. Also, the national median MCAT score for accepted students to MD/PhD programs is a 34.
 
I just got an August 5th MCAT spot, so schools will get my updated score (hopefully closer to my practice average of 36!) on September 7th. Is this too late? My application will be totally complete by then, including secondaries.
 
Sorry. I meant to say non-native English speakers or English as a second language speakers, which describes a significant portion of the research community in the United States. The period of language acquisition in early childhood is an exceptional time. Early childhood language acquisition coincides with both early brain development and the social construction of reality. With regard to brain development, many native speakers of Asian subcontinent languages actually cannot distinguish the difference between 'v' and 'w' sounds in English, not only in speaking but in hearing, likewise for 'r' and 'l' among native speakers of East Asian languages. Different parts of the brain light up for those sounds in native English speakers but not for speakers native to linguistic communities lacking the distinction. Early childhood language acquisition involves plasticity of neural connections beyond what occurs in learning a language later in life.

Although there are exceptions like Vladimir Nabokov or Joseph Conrad that disprove any categorical rule, it's difficult for English as a second language speakers to experience the kinds of subtle reader responses anticipated by the most difficult VR questions which a native speaker might take for granted. This doesn't apply to most scientific language. Proper scientific language a' priori is fully translatable if the 2nd language has a matching scientific vocabulary, because scientific language is purposefully lacking in any expressive or appelative dimension, being purely prosaic or referential. However, with the kind of language in a difficult VR passage, an author's use of something like irony may escape a nonNative English speaker, for example, especially if there is no serious humanities background. Interpreting something like 'Mary had a little lamb' is actually pretty sophisticated. Did Mary own a lamb, eat a small lamb, eat a small portion of a big lamb, or is she some kind of pervert?