Need help with final school list for applications

[golfinpanda]

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I need help with where to apply as a resident of Virginia.

I have around a 3.56 Overall GPA. I got a 20 on the AA for the DAT. I remember scoring high in the Biology and organic chemistry, but low on the gen chem part. I scored a 19 on the PAT.



My definites are:

*Midwestern (IL)
*University of Maryland
*Boston U
*Tufts
*Michigan
*VCU
*Marquette
*Temple
*UPenn
*Columbia
*Pittsburgh
*Western University (CA)
*Case Western
*Creighton

I'm looking to add a couple more from this list:
*ASDOH
*Indiana
*Louisville
*Howard
*NOVA
*USC
*Detroit Mercy
*Minnesota
*SUNY Buffalo
*LECOM
*UNLV

 

[golfinpanda]

Please help! *bump*

 

[davaidavai1]

I need help with where to apply as a resident of Virginia.

I have around a 3.56 Overall GPA. I got a 20 on the AA for the DAT. I remember scoring high in the Biology and organic chemistry, but low on the gen chem part. I scored a 19 on the PAT.



My definites are:

*Midwestern (IL)
*University of Maryland
*Boston U
*Tufts
*Michigan
*VCU
*Marquette - Remove this as they don't take a lot of OOS students
*Temple
*UPenn - Remove this as your DAT is below their average and its a super competitive school
*Columbia - Worse shot than UPenn, Average DAT is a 23AA you probably won't stand a shot
*Pittsburgh
*Western University (CA)
*Case Western
*Creighton - Middle of nowhere I'd remove this and add some of the schools I listed below.

I'm looking to add a couple more from this list:
*ASDOH - Requires a lot of volunteering if you dont have more than 500 hours I wouldn't apply here.
*Indiana - OK to Add
*Louisville - OK to Add
*Howard - Dont apply unless you're a minority
*NOVA - Funky with their admission process, don't apply here
*USC - Overpriced school with PBL, don't apply here
*Detroit Mercy - Ok add
*Minnesota - OK to add
*SUNY Buffalo - OK to add
*LECOM - OK to add
*UNLV - Don't add; tuition prices go up by high percentage every year and OOS students only get in if they apply in early June.

See above and add MWU-AZ to your list.

 

[golfinpanda]

See above and add MWU-AZ to your list.

A few questions:

1. Marquette accepts 50% OOS. Isn't that good?
2. For Creighton, why does it matter if it's in the middle of nowhere?
3. For NOVA, what do you mean it's funky with the admissions process?
4. For USC, what is PBL? Practice based learning? Is that a bad thing? Doesn't LECOM do the same?
5. Doesn't MWU-AZ cost more than UNLV? (btw I'm applying the first day applications come out)

 

[Davermz450]

PBL is problem based learning. People bash on USC a lot but they are easier to get into

 

[AwesomeTeeth]

A few questions:

1. Marquette accepts 50% OOS. Isn't that good?
2. For Creighton, why does it matter if it's in the middle of nowhere?
3. For NOVA, what do you mean it's funky with the admissions process?
4. For USC, what is PBL? Practice based learning? Is that a bad thing? Doesn't LECOM do the same?
5. Doesn't MWU-AZ cost more than UNLV? (btw I'm applying the first day applications come out)

1. Marquette takes alot of people from the Midwest even though its 50% OOS. I wouldn't apply there but if you want to, its your money.

2. It doesn't matter. Creighton is still a good school and worth applying to.

3. I've heard some stuff about NOVA and admissions too. But nothing solid, more like rumors and crazy wait lists. If you want to go there, then by all means apply.

4. PBL is a very touchy subject. Some people like it and others hate it. Lecom does PBL but they haven't even enrolled a class yet so don't use them as comparison. I personally don't like it.

5. No idea, never looked into it

 

[davaidavai1]

A few questions:

1. Marquette accepts 50% OOS. Isn't that good? They only interview 8% of their OOS applicants, so 50% of those will get in, but 8% is still very low and they tend to be region specific. I did not apply here
2. For Creighton, why does it matter if it's in the middle of nowhere? I think its a good school for students within that region but I don't see it as somewhere I would want to attend so I didnt apply there. I think there are better schools out there.
3. For NOVA, what do you mean it's funky with the admissions process? I heard bad things about how they choose to interview or accept students, I didn't apply here. I could be wrong but I think there are better schools to apply to. Do your own research to see what I mean.
4. For USC, what is PBL? Practice based learning? Is that a bad thing? Doesn't LECOM do the same? Its a different way of learning that most students find difficult, even USC is debating on changing its cirriculum plus its a very expensive school. It costs around $110K a year, which is too rich for my blood.
5. Doesn't MWU-AZ cost more than UNLV? (btw I'm applying the first day applications come out) MWU-AZ is a really good school and UNLV's tuition goes up each year. You have a better shot at getting into MWU-AZ because they accept more OOS students than UNLV/

read above

 

[golfinpanda]

Cool. Thank you guys so much.

So out of these schools, which ones should I add onto my original list?
*Indiana - (I heard that they don't accept a lot of minorities [im asian ^^])
*Louisville - (same problem as Indiana?)
*NOVA
*USC
*Detroit Mercy
*Minnesota
*SUNY Buffalo
*LECOM
*UNLV

 

[golfinpanda]

I was also thinking about:
*Roseman
*Missouri
*New Jersey
*Stony Brook
*Oregon

 

[golfinpanda]

help! bumpitybump!

 

[davaidavai1]

help! bumpitybump!

*Indiana - (I heard that they don't accept a lot of minorities [im asian ^^]) - OK to apply
*Louisville - (same problem as Indiana?) - OK to apply
*NOVA - out because they're funky with their admission process and you're still below their average standards
*USC - out because they're too expensive and PBL isn't for everyone so that might be a huge negative.
*Detroit Mercy - OK to apply
*Minnesota OK to apply
*SUNY Buffalo - OK to apply
*LECOM - OK to apply
*UNLV Out because Tuition goes up every year by high amounts and they tend to accept OOS applications only if they apply very yearly.

I was also thinking about:
*Roseman - OK to apply
*Missouri - out because they have a very low if non-existent OOS student base
*New Jersey - OK to apply
*Stony Brook - OK to apply
*Oregon - OK to apply

 

[AwesomeTeeth]

Cool. Thank you guys so much.

So out of these schools, which ones should I add onto my original list?
*Indiana - (I heard that they don't accept a lot of minorities [im asian ^^])
*Louisville - (same problem as Indiana?)
*NOVA
*USC
*Detroit Mercy
*Minnesota
*SUNY Buffalo
*LECOM
*UNLV

I was also thinking about:
*Roseman
*Missouri
*New Jersey
*Stony Brook
*Oregon

Indiana and Louisville don't take many Asians so i would leave them off. Not sure why everyone seems to like buffalo, their OOS numbers aren't that great. Stony brook is a bad idea, not OOS friendly at all. I wouldn't do USC or LECOM either but that's because I don't like PBL.

 

[davaidavai1]

Indiana and Louisville don't take many Asians so i would leave them off. Not sure why everyone seems to like buffalo, their OOS numbers aren't that great. Stony brook is a bad idea, not OOS friendly at all. I wouldn't do USC or LECOM either but that's because I don't like PBL.

Both Stony and Buffalo interview about 10% of their OOS students which is pretty comparable with most state schools. I agree on USC and LECOM and I don't know much about Indy and Louis and their asian policies.

 

[AwesomeTeeth]

Both Stony and Buffalo interview about 10% of their OOS students which is pretty comparable with most state schools.

Buffalo takes 16 out of 90.
Stony brook takes 5 out of 40.

Those aren't good odds. It doesn't matter how many they interview, its about how many are accepted and how many seats they have.

 

[davaidavai1]

Buffalo takes 16 out of 90.
Stony brook takes 5 out of 40.

Those aren't good odds. It doesn't matter how many they interview, its about how many are accepted and how many seats they have.

Where are you getting your numbers from? From doc toothache's file Buffalo has 1,376 OOS applicants, they interviewed 11% which is 151 persons and they accepted 5% out of 1,376 which is 69 students. Those odds are pretty good 69 out of 151 = 45% of OOS students that were interviewed were accepted. Stony Brook had 617 OOS applicants, they interviewed 10% which is 138 and they accepted 4% out of 617, which is 55 students. Again 55 out of 138 = 40% of OOS students that were interviewed were accepted. So it makes sense to apply to these programs with such percentages.

 

[AwesomeTeeth]

Where are you getting your numbers from? From doc toothache's file Buffalo has 1,376 OOS applicants, they interviewed 11% which is 151 persons and they accepted 5% out of 1,376 which is 69 students. Those odds are pretty good 69 out of 151 = 45% of OOS students that were interviewed were accepted. Stony Brook had 617 OOS applicants, they interviewed 10% which is 138 and they accepted 4% out of 617, which is 55 students. Again 55 out of 138 = 40% of OOS students that were interviewed were accepted. So it makes sense to apply to these programs with such percentages.

My numbers are straight from the 2011 ADEA book because my friend was applying last year. I'm assuming Doc's is the newer 2012. Numbers shouldn't change too much from year to year. The one problem with doc toothache's file is that everything is mostly percentages. If you get the book, you can see the raw numbers easier. Nothing against his excel file though, it's a great resource.

2011 had Buffalo as 1,522 OOS applied, 150 Interviewed, 16 Accepted. That's almost 1% of people who applied got accepted from out of state.

2011 had Stony Brook as 753 OOS applied, 46 interviewed, 5 Accepted. That's 0.6% of people who applied got accepted from out of state.

If you feel like you can be the lucky 1% or 0.6% that gets accepted, then by all means apply.

Something is wrong with your numbers. How can Stony Brook accept 55 out of state students if their entire class is only about 40 people a year?

 

[davaidavai1]

My numbers are straight from the 2011 ADEA book because my friend was applying last year. I'm assuming Doc's is the newer 2012. Numbers shouldn't change too much from year to year. The one problem with doc toothache's file is that everything is mostly percentages. If you get the book, you can see the raw numbers easier. Nothing against his excel file though, it's a great resource.

2011 had Buffalo as 1,522 OOS applied, 150 Interviewed, 16 Accepted. That's almost 1% of people who applied got accepted from out of state.

2011 had Stony Brook as 753 OOS applied, 46 interviewed, 5 Accepted. That's 0.6% of people who applied got accepted from out of state.

If you feel like you can be the lucky 1% or 0.6% that gets accepted, then by all means apply.

Something is wrong with your numbers. How can Stony Brook accept 55 out of state students if their entire class is only about 40 people a year?

Nothing is wrong with my numbers, go check doc's file for yourself. I used his percentages and converted them to raw numbers, as I provided up above. You're also making a big mistake when you assume that the number of acceptances is equal to the number of seats available. It is a well known fact that schools offer 1.5x to 2x the amount of acceptances for every seat they have, this way they aren't left with empty seats if a lot of students turn them down for other schools. Hence the number of acceptances on doc's file should never equal the number of seats. It should always be greater.

Also I went back and checked your own figures and they're wrong for 2011 aka 2010 adea guide. Doc's file says Buffalo had 1,522 applicants, but the Total OOS Interviewed was 308 and the number accepted was 69. So 308/1522 = 20% were interviewed and 69/308 = 22% were accepted after being interviewed. Not the best for OOS, but not as bleak as you painted it. Also Stony Brook received 753 OOS applications, they interviewed 201 students and accepted 13. So that means 201/753 = 26% of applicants were interviewed and 5/201 = 3% were accepted. Again pretty low shot but its worth spending another $175 for a shot at a school that's way cheaper than Columbia but offers the same exact benefits even specializing. Plus you can also tell that numbers vary from year to year and they were more favorable in 2011 vs. 2010, but since no one can control that you might as well apply to these state schools to maximize your shot.

 

[golfinpanda]

See above and add MWU-AZ to your list.

Both Stony and Buffalo interview about 10% of their OOS students which is pretty comparable with most state schools. I agree on USC and LECOM and I don't know much about Indy and Louis and their asian policies.

lol asian policies.

would neone care to rank these schools based on my stats

 

[AwesomeTeeth]

Nothing is wrong with my numbers, go check doc's file for yourself. I used his percentages and converted them to raw numbers, as I provided up above. You're also making a big mistake when you assume that the number of acceptances is equal to the number of seats available. It is a well known fact that schools offer 1.5x to 2x the amount of acceptances for every seat they have, this way they aren't left with empty seats if a lot of students turn them down for other schools. Hence the number of acceptances on doc's file should never equal the number of seats. It should always be greater.

Also I went back and checked your own figures and they're wrong for 2011 aka 2010 adea guide. Doc's file says Buffalo had 1,522 applicants, but the Total OOS Interviewed was 308 and the number accepted was 69. So 308/1522 = 20% were interviewed and 69/308 = 22% were accepted after being interviewed. Not the best for OOS, but not as bleak as you painted it. Also Stony Brook received 753 OOS applications, they interviewed 201 students and accepted 13. So that means 201/753 = 26% of applicants were interviewed and 5/201 = 3% were accepted. Again pretty low shot but its worth spending another $175 for a shot at a school that's way cheaper than Columbia but offers the same exact benefits even specializing. Plus you can also tell that numbers vary from year to year and they were more favorable in 2011 vs. 2010, but since no one can control that you might as well apply to these state schools to maximize your shot.

No, I have the 2011 ADEA guide in front of me. You are converting the percentages wrong. Honestly, just get the book if you don't believe me. Doc's file is based off everything in the ADEA book. His percentages are just manipulations of the numbers in the book. And schools do not give numbers for the amount of acceptances they send out, just the number they enroll.

I give up though. Not sure what else I can tell you. If you want to go around wasting every OOS kid's money and telling them to apply to Stony Brook and Buffalo, go ahead. I'm sure those schools and the ADEA will love charitable contributions.

 

[davaidavai1]

No, I have the 2011 ADEA guide in front of me. You are converting the percentages wrong. Honestly, just get the book if you don't believe me. Doc's file is based off everything in the ADEA book. His percentages are just manipulations of the numbers in the book. And schools do not give numbers for the amount of acceptances they send out, just the number they enroll.

I give up though. Not sure what else I can tell you. If you want to go around wasting every OOS kid's money and telling them to apply to Stony Brook and Buffalo, go ahead. I'm sure those schools and the ADEA will love charitable contributions.

Completely and utterly false. Doc has it in all his files going back to 2009. No. of acceptances cannot and will not equal number of enrollees. I provided accurate info, both schools are great institutions and are worth the $$$ to apply to.

 

[davaidavai1]

lol asian policies.

would neone care to rank these schools based on my stats

Use doc's file to see the averages for these schools.