Need serious advice!!

[Confusion90]

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First of all, I am not a troll but have been asking people advice and know one seems to be helping and my friend recommended this site hence why my first post. I did horrible freshman year and got put on academic probation for low grades. I also had two alcohol charges in the dorms and a smoking a cigarette violation for smoking in the stairs of dorm. Not weed!! Never involved any authority outside institution. Just strict disciplinary probation. The problem is they have all been expunged off my record, but I still want to take the moral route and list them on amcas. Since then I have had no grade lower than a b and never been in trouble again. They all happened in the same span of time. When I contacted my dean of students they told me that my record has been cleared and won't be released to any school. How do I go about listing these since when schools request dean info there will be none. Am I stupid for taking the moral route and listing them? Are my chances dead now? Or will schools see my growth as realize I am a totally different student. Had a 1.5 gpa then. Since then 4 full years at 3.8. Graduated 3.32 (3.2 amcas).please give advice

 

[Mt Kilimanjaro]

First of all, I am not a troll but have been asking people advice and know one seems to be helping and my friend recommended this site hence why my first post. I did horrible freshman year and got put on academic probation for low grades. I also had two alcohol charges in the dorms and a smoking a cigarette violation for smoking in the stairs of dorm. Not weed!! Never involved any authority outside institution. Just strict disciplinary probation. The problem is they have all been expunged off my record, but I still want to take the moral route and list them on amcas. Since then I have had no grade lower than a b and never been in trouble again. They all happened in the same span of time. When I contacted my dean of students they told me that my record has been cleared and won't be released to any school. How do I go about listing these since when schools request dean info there will be none. Am I stupid for taking the moral route and listing them? Are my chances dead now? Or will schools see my growth as realize I am a totally different student. Had a 1.5 gpa then. Since then 4 full years at 3.8. Graduated 3.32 (3.2 amcas).please give advice

Science? MCAT?

People always like an upward trend, which you have. GPA low for MD. DO much more likely.

Move to WAMC.

 

[Confusion90]

Science gpa same as amcas. Mcat 35

 

[Rhodes]

I wouldn't list it. You want to give yourself the best shot possible. Take advantage of the fact that it has been cleared. Your upward trend in GPA is a good indication of progress. Your MCAT is great, but it's that GPA. I would look into DO schools, as stated by the post above.

 

[Cinclus]

I wouldn't list it. You want to give yourself the best shot possible. Take advantage of the fact that it has been cleared. Your upward trend in GPA is a good indication of progress. Your MCAT is great, but it's that GPA. I would look into DO schools, as stated by the post above.

I agree. Do not list it if it's basically been obliterated from your record. You will be shooting yourself in the foot. Your MCAT is very good, and the GPA may not destroy you for all MD schools when combined with your good MCAT score. I would definitely apply to some DO schools, too, as already mentioned.

 

[911 Turbo]

I wouldn't list it. You want to give yourself the best shot possible. Take advantage of the fact that it has been cleared. Your upward trend in GPA is a good indication of progress. Your MCAT is great, but it's that GPA. I would look into DO schools, as stated by the post above.

I agree. Do not list it if it's basically been obliterated from your record. You will be shooting yourself in the foot. Your MCAT is very good, and the GPA may not destroy you for all MD schools when combined with your good MCAT score. I would definitely apply to some DO schools, too, as already mentioned.

op said he already listed it..... i think it will be fine op... just hope for the best

 

[byaaaaaaah23]

You are only morally obligated to list violations that appear on your record. If the violations/charges/probation/whatever do not appear on your record, then definitely don't list them unless you want to make it very difficult for your to get into medical school.

If you do list them, and your school says they never happened, you will look, at best, incompetent, and at worst, like a liar, and either will raise some eyebrows.

 

[Confusion90]

So majority consensus is if its not there don't list?

 

[Loveless]

You may be doing the moral thing, but that doesn't mean adcoms will.

I wouldn't list it.

 

[Aerus]

So majority consensus is if its not there don't list?

Please don't. There is no moral thing. The fact that you didn't list it does not somehow make the world a worse place to live.

 

[Confusion90]

Alright I know I made mistakes but I really want to go to med school. Been working so hard for this

 

[Confusion90]

Most people make it seem like being moral will kill my chances

 

[SloppyBoy]

im on the exact same boat as you except i only have 1 alcohol IA (off record) and not a strong upward gpa like u. slowly up and steady...idk what to do honestly. I want to be moral but I don't know if adcoms will look at a IA and be like "alright..you're out of the consideration". However, I heard stories of people do gettin in with IA. I would suggest reporting it since you have an upward trend and u can explain u childish schininngens due to ur past...better safe & sorry..im prly gonna do the same...I just hope med school adcoms r not squares

 

[earf]

Your undergrad wiped it off your records for a reason: this precisely being it. Being moral doesn't mean telling them every single thing about your history that is a blemish. You can be honest about not doing well during your freshman year, but whether to mention something unnecessarily probably wouldn't help your chances. They'll extrapolate that you had a tough time during your freshman year but you can explain this to them in person when you've proven yourself worthy of an interview rather than having them not even consider your potentially great application just because of one check box.

Not saying you shouldn't be honest and lie, but I'm also not saying that you should be overly sharing and mention something that your undergraduate institution willingly removed from your records.

Reminds me of a Simpsons episode where Marge eats one grape to test how it tastes in the grocery store, and then Lisa makes her feel guilty about "stealing," so she tells the cash register to charge her for one grape. The grocery clerk looked at her like she was crazy.

 

[Confusion90]

Lol awesome Simpsons reference. You bring up good points. My undergrad removed it as part of a clean slate policy so being overly sharing might so go against this policy

 

[SloppyBoy]

dude dont listen to advice from a bunch of premeds (kind of a hypocrite here...). I got two alcohol violations and I'm still gonna put them down.

EDIT: I got both of them a span of 2 weeks so its not as bad as having two years apart from each other

 

[Confusion90]

I am going to request a discipline letter and deans certificate and see what deal is

 

[I am the Walrus]

First of all, I am not a troll but have been asking people advice and know one seems to be helping and my friend recommended this site hence why my first post. I did horrible freshman year and got put on academic probation for low grades. I also had two alcohol charges in the dorms and a smoking a cigarette violation for smoking in the stairs of dorm. Not weed!! Never involved any authority outside institution. Just strict disciplinary probation. The problem is they have all been expunged off my record, but I still want to take the moral route and list them on amcas. Since then I have had no grade lower than a b and never been in trouble again. They all happened in the same span of time. When I contacted my dean of students they told me that my record has been cleared and won't be released to any school. How do I go about listing these since when schools request dean info there will be none. Am I stupid for taking the moral route and listing them? Are my chances dead now? Or will schools see my growth as realize I am a totally different student. Had a 1.5 gpa then. Since then 4 full years at 3.8. Graduated 3.32 (3.2 amcas).please give advice

If you smoke and do bad things to your health

You shouldn't be a doctor

period.

 

[Loveless]

If you smoke and do bad things to your health

You shouldn't be a doctor

period.

Lawl.

 

[earf]

dude dont listen to advice from a bunch of premeds (kind of a hypocrite here...). I got two alcohol violations and I'm still gonna put them down.

EDIT: I got both of them a span of 2 weeks so its not as bad as having two years apart from each other

Exactly what a gunner would say

 

[Confusion90]

If you smoke and do bad things to your health

You shouldn't be a doctor

period.

I forgot the rule. I used to smoke cigarettes. What was I thinking. Let me forget about applying. I guess I should have ended my dream earlier when I first ate a Big Mac. Forgot doctors never did anything unhealthy ever

 

[Instatewaiter]

First of all, I am not a troll but have been asking people advice and know one seems to be helping and my friend recommended this site hence why my first post. I did horrible freshman year and got put on academic probation for low grades. I also had two alcohol charges in the dorms and a smoking a cigarette violation for smoking in the stairs of dorm. Not weed!! Never involved any authority outside institution. Just strict disciplinary probation. The problem is they have all been expunged off my record, but I still want to take the moral route and list them on amcas. Since then I have had no grade lower than a b and never been in trouble again. They all happened in the same span of time. When I contacted my dean of students they told me that my record has been cleared and won't be released to any school. How do I go about listing these since when schools request dean info there will be none. Am I stupid for taking the moral route and listing them? Are my chances dead now? Or will schools see my growth as realize I am a totally different student. Had a 1.5 gpa then. Since then 4 full years at 3.8. Graduated 3.32 (3.2 amcas).please give advice

Don't list it. If it were plagarism or an honor code violation that would be one thing but alcohol charges.. everyone drinks underage in college.

If you are talking about academic probation, that one is pretty self explanatory since you had a 1.5 GPA.

 

[Confusion90]

Should I list the academic probation only since its obvious. I feel I can use the extra space to define my upward trend in numbers and bring up why I am strong

 

[Confusion90]

Any advice on the academic probation since low gpa can be seen

 

[SloppyBoy]

what r u tryin to say ? that i'm a gunner?? r u agreeing or disagree with me..i honestly have no clue lol

 

[Larger]

Quote from AMCAS:
"You must answer Yes to this question if you were ever the recipient of any institutional action resulting from unacceptable academic performance or a conduct violation, even if such action did not interrupt your enrollment or require you to withdraw. You must answer Yes even if the action does not appear on or has been deleted from your official transcripts due to institutional policy or personal petition.

If you are not certain whether or not you have been the subject of an institutional action, contact the registrar, student affairs officer, or other appropriate party at the institution for confirmation of your record."

You have to report it if it was on your official transcript but then it was removed. In other words, dont rely on your transcript to see if you have an IA. On the other hand, if it is not on your record you don't have to report it. Where does it say you have to disclose something that is not on your record? Again...where does it say you have to disclose something that is not on your RECORD. I don't see it anywhere. Why would u have to disclose stuff that was expunged from ur school record but you wouldn't have to disclose stuff that was expunged from your CRIMINAL record on the AMCAS? Doesn't make sense...criminal is way worse than school...

Half these kids on the forums are misinformed and LizzyM is an ADCOM..not a AMCAS member (this is not an attack). Check with your school if you have to disclose this...let me know what they say. I'm pretty sure I'll be right...

 

[LizzyM]

Quote from AMCAS:
"You must answer Yes to this question if you were ever the recipient of any institutional action resulting from unacceptable academic performance or a conduct violation, even if such action did not interrupt your enrollment or require you to withdraw. You must answer Yes even if the action does not appear on or has been deleted from your official transcripts due to institutional policy or personal petition.
If you are not certain whether or not you have been the subject of an institutional action, contact the registrar, student affairs officer, or other appropriate party at the institution for confirmation of your record."

You have to report it if it was on your official transcript but then it was removed. In other words, dont rely on your transcript to see if you have an IA. On the other hand, if it is not on your record you don't have to report it. Where does it say you have to disclose something that is not on your record? Again...where does it say you have to disclose something that is not on your RECORD. I don't see it anywhere. Why would u have to disclose stuff that was expunged from ur school record but you wouldn't have to disclose stuff that was expunged from your CRIMINAL record on the AMCAS? Doesn't make sense...criminal is way worse than school...

Half these kids on the forums are misinformed and LizzyM is an ADCOM..not a AMCAS member (this is not an attack). Check with your school if you have to disclose this...let me know what they say. I'm pretty sure I'll be right...

No one said there was any logic to these rules... but the rules are right there in black and white.

 

[Confusion90]

Lizzy how would it work, if I disclose it to amcas and they request a dean letter, he will write that there is no discipline record on file like he told me so they would be like why is nothing there?

 

[Larger]

No one said there was any logic to these rules... but the rules are right there in black and white.

...

 

[d12]

My interpretation is that if he calls the school and they say that it was not an institutional action, then he's not required to report it. However, if he calls the school and they say that it WAS an institutional action, but that it was cleared from his record, then he would technically still have to report it.

If they said the former, I'd definitely try to get that in writing just to cover your bases.

 

[Larger]

what would you consider in writing? In the form of an email or a signed document cause getting a signed document would be pretty intense haha...my opinoin on the matter is all schools would say you don't have to report it since they WANT you to get into medical school..its looks better for u. So u'll be straight bro

 

[Confusion90]

what would you consider in writing? In the form of an email or a signed document cause getting a signed document would be pretty intense haha...my opinoin on the matter is all schools would say you don't have to report it since they WANT you to get into medical school..its looks better for u. So u'll be straight bro

I agree

 

[LizzyM]

Lizzy how would it work, if I disclose it to amcas and they request a dean letter, he will write that there is no discipline record on file like he told me so they would be like why is nothing there?

Obviously, if you had a record that was no longer a part of your permanent record, you might write that in your explanation of what happened.