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Hey guys, first-time poster here in need of some advice. I applied to medical school this year and hadn’t received any love so far. I would appreciate any feedback and guidance (and I apologize for the length of this post).

I graduated in 2012 with a BS in Biology but started out at a CC for financial reasons. First quarter at my 4 year went pretty good (nothing below a B+) but the subsequent quarters were difficult for a variety of reasons. I was still getting used to the changes in course rigor, I was working part-time at a local clinic in the neighboring county (but maybe only 10 hrs/wk), and my best friend was on trial for a serious crime. He ended up taking a plea deal and went to jail for a year. My grades tanked (never failed anything, but lots of C’s).

Eventually got out of my rut (nothing below a B+ during my last two quarters before graduation) but the damage to my GPA was done. Graduated from my 4 year with a 3.0 (this doesn’t include my CC grades). I seriously considered abandoning the idea of medicine at this point (just didn’t think I was smart enough), so I started working full time. But! I learned so much working full time at the clinic and decided to give medicine another go. Took the MCAT, was terribly ill-prepared (got a 25, yeah, that was embarrassing) and realized, if I’m going to be serious, I need to go back to school. I quit my job, took out a loan and did a one-year DIY post-bacc of upper div science courses and did pretty dang well (nothing below an A-).

End result: cGPA 3.6, sGPA 3.5, new MCAT 509 (GPA includes grades from CC)

I’m sure my grades and MCATs have contributed to me not receiving any interviews this cycle. I also applied fairly late, with some of my secondaries completed in Aug but most submitted in Sept. I also don’t have any research (none at all), BUT I have about 7 years of clinic experience. I worked at a pain clinic throughout undergrad and I’m currently at a cardiology clinic as lead auth and referrals coordinator. I understand what I do is clerical, but I’ve learned so much about the healthcare system. I’ve helped patients understand their insurance. I’ve facilitated contracts with insurances so low-income patients can be seen in the clinic. Last week I had a patient refuse to leave the front desk because he wanted to thank me in person for getting him in for an appointment (nobody would take his insurance). I absolutely hate how arbitrary so many of the insurance rules are, but I know how to play the game to the patient’s benefit.

Other things I’ve done:
Worked as a sales secretary during first year of CC – 20 hrs/wk
Sunday school teacher – 1 year (2-3 hrs/wk)

Animal-assisted therapy gigs:
Residential treatment facility (Children’s home) visitor– 2 years (6-8 hrs/mo)
Reading to dogs program – 2 years (4 hrs/mo and only during the academic calendar)
Children’s hospital – 2 years (5 hrs/mo) –This one required a certification test

I haven’t done any formal shadowing. I’ve watched a couple surgeries, but I didn’t think it was substantial enough to put on my application. I have maybe 20 hours of hospital volunteering, but again, didn’t put this put on my app. There is also a gap in my timeline after I finished my post-bacc and before I started my job (about 5 mo) where I didn’t do a whole lot (continued animal-assisted therapy, studied for new MCAT, looked for a new job).

Clearly, there are red flags on my application, but I’m not sure what to do at this point. Should I shadow doctors? I’ve been working around them for so long, I feel like I have a pretty good grasp of what they do, at least on an outpatient basis. Should I do research? I graduated almost 6 years ago, how do I get into a research position? Should I do more volunteer work?

To further complicate things, my husband was offered work in France. I’ve entertained the idea of going to medical school there but would need to take at least a year to learn the language. Plus, med school there is 6 years. Do you think it would be looked down upon if I moved there, then moved back to the states to pursue medicine?

I've completed secondaries for the following schools:
Albany
Baylor
Dartmouth
Drexel
Jefferson
Medical College Wisconsin
Loyola
Rosalind Franklin
Rush
Tufts
Tulane
UC Davis
UC Irvine
UCLA
UCSD
UCSF
USC
Vermont
Wake Forest

Applied MD only, but plan on applying to DO too next cycle. I'll be moving to Texas in a month, so I plan on applying with TMDSAS as well.

Currently a CA resident (norcal), ORM.

Please help me, I feel like a lost puppy.
 
I have basically the same exact profile as you (ORM, 3.6/3.45 gpa, 505 MCAT). This is my second time applying to both MD and DO schools and I have not gotten a single interview. I also went through additional measures to improve my application over 2 gap years (master's degree, EMT, improved MCAT, etc) Feel free to reapply if you want, but you are risking ending up like me with the same result a second time through. Shadowing is likely the least of your concerns. This is quickly becoming a numbers based game that is heavily fixated on reverse discrimination. Hence, us ORMs are held to a higher standard and are SOL if we don't meet their cutoffs. One admin essentially explained this to me the first time I applied when I was reaching out to schools that had rejected me. Your MCAT and GPA are high and you really shouldn't need to improve them (probably above average for matriculants at most schools). I think France or another abroad program may be a good idea. I don't think anybody here would doubt that you can handle medical school, so this may be a good option that may save you from needing to gamble more time/money trying to get in through this rigged system.
 
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You seem very well aware of what you need to do, and that’s all the advice that SDN members can ever give you. If you want us to tell you how, when, and where you should do things, that’s up to you to figure out because only YOU know how to balance your daily life.

Have confidence in yourself, take it slow, and as the wise @Goro always says, medical schools aren’t going anywhere.
 
hungryforapples said:
Hey guys, first-time poster here in need of some advice. I applied to medical school this year and hadn’t received any love so far. I would appreciate any feedback and guidance (and I apologize for the length of this post).

I graduated in 2012 with a BS in Biology but started out at a CC for financial reasons. First quarter at my 4 year went pretty good (nothing below a B+) but the subsequent quarters were difficult for a variety of reasons. I was still getting used to the changes in course rigor, I was working part-time at a local clinic in the neighboring county (but maybe only 10 hrs/wk), and my best friend was on trial for a serious crime. He ended up taking a plea deal and went to jail for a year. My grades tanked (never failed anything, but lots of C’s).

Eventually got out of my rut (nothing below a B+ during my last two quarters before graduation) but the damage to my GPA was done. Graduated from my 4 year with a 3.0 (this doesn’t include my CC grades). I seriously considered abandoning the idea of medicine at this point (just didn’t think I was smart enough), so I started working full time. But! I learned so much working full time at the clinic and decided to give medicine another go. Took the MCAT, was terribly ill-prepared (got a 25, yeah, that was embarrassing) and realized, if I’m going to be serious, I need to go back to school. I quit my job, took out a loan and did a one-year DIY post-bacc of upper div science courses and did pretty dang well (nothing below an A-).

End result: cGPA 3.6, sGPA 3.5, new MCAT 509 (GPA includes grades from CC)

I’m sure my grades and MCATs have contributed to me not receiving any interviews this cycle. I also applied fairly late, with some of my secondaries completed in Aug but most submitted in Sept. I also don’t have any research (none at all), BUT I have about 7 years of clinic experience. I worked at a pain clinic throughout undergrad and I’m currently at a cardiology clinic as lead auth and referrals coordinator. I understand what I do is clerical, but I’ve learned so much about the healthcare system. I’ve helped patients understand their insurance. I’ve facilitated contracts with insurances so low-income patients can be seen in the clinic. Last week I had a patient refuse to leave the front desk because he wanted to thank me in person for getting him in for an appointment (nobody would take his insurance). I absolutely hate how arbitrary so many of the insurance rules are, but I know how to play the game to the patient’s benefit.

Other things I’ve done:
Worked as a sales secretary during first year of CC – 20 hrs/wk
Sunday school teacher – 1 year (2-3 hrs/wk)

Animal-assisted therapy gigs:
Residential treatment facility (Children’s home) visitor– 2 years (6-8 hrs/mo)
Reading to dogs program – 2 years (4 hrs/mo and only during the academic calendar)
Children’s hospital – 2 years (5 hrs/mo) –This one required a certification test

I haven’t done any formal shadowing. I’ve watched a couple surgeries, but I didn’t think it was substantial enough to put on my application. I have maybe 20 hours of hospital volunteering, but again, didn’t put this put on my app. There is also a gap in my timeline after I finished my post-bacc and before I started my job (about 5 mo) where I didn’t do a whole lot (continued animal-assisted therapy, studied for new MCAT, looked for a new job).

Clearly, there are red flags on my application, but I’m not sure what to do at this point. Should I shadow doctors? I’ve been working around them for so long, I feel like I have a pretty good grasp of what they do, at least on an outpatient basis. Should I do research? I graduated almost 6 years ago, how do I get into a research position? Should I do more volunteer work?

To further complicate things, my husband was offered work in France. I’ve entertained the idea of going to medical school there but would need to take at least a year to learn the language. Plus, med school there is 6 years. Do you think it would be looked down upon if I moved there, then moved back to the states to pursue medicine?

I've completed secondaries for the following schools:
Albany
Baylor
Dartmouth
Drexel
Jefferson
Medical College Wisconsin
Loyola
Rosalind Franklin
Rush
Tufts
Tulane
UC Davis
UC Irvine
UCLA
UCSD
UCSF
USC
Vermont
Wake Forest

Applied MD only, but plan on applying to DO too next cycle. I'll be moving to Texas in a month, so I plan on applying with TMDSAS as well.

Currently a CA resident (norcal), ORM.

Please help me, I feel like a lost puppy.
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I think it was your list that caused issues. With 3.6/3.5 GPAs, prior 25 MCAT new 509, and late applicant your list needed to be a lot longer with more lower-stats schools. Taking away the bolded ones that were hail marys you only had ~12 schools on your list!

Applying early, to twice as many places with matching stats, and adding DO is the big fix. Working more on your app until summer is just some extra touch up. It's mostly about where you apply.
 
My thoughts are:
  • Lack of shadowing shows a lack of involvement in or understanding of what a physician does on the daily
  • A lack of research further cuts down the schools that will be interested in you
  • Also don't see any community service / volunteer work

Put that all together with an OK GPA / MCAT and late applications and your list is very top heavy. Invest in the MSAR, apply to DO schools, but first take a year and make sure you have the experiences necessary to show you're a good doctor. It's been said time and time again that applying two cycles in a row simply yields repetitive results, as you haven't improved your app yet.
 
chaim123 said:
My thoughts are:
  • Lack of shadowing shows a lack of involvement in or understanding of what a physician does on the daily
  • A lack of research further cuts down the schools that will be interested in you
  • Also don't see any community service / volunteer work

Put that all together with an OK GPA / MCAT and late applications and your list is very top heavy. Invest in the MSAR, apply to DO schools, but first take a year and make sure you have the experiences necessary to show you're a good doctor. It's been said time and time again that applying two cycles in a row simply yields repetitive results, as you haven't improved your app yet.
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Top heavy? He applied to his state schools and schools out of state with huge class sizes and below average GPA/MCAT averages. How is this top heavy?
 
The Dragon Slayer said:
Top heavy? He applied to his state schools and schools out of state with huge class sizes and below average GPA/MCAT averages. How is this top heavy?
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I don't see where she says her state of residence, but all the UC's are top schools, Baylor is top, Tufts is research heavy, Dartmouth is research/Ivy, etc. I'm not saying there aren't any good schools in his list. But medical school admissions are a game of chance. I applied to 23 schools, all of which I was above average GPA/MCAT, but only got 12 interviews. So there needs to me more schools like that to increase odds.
 
Here is a more realistic list. Baylor doesn't need the donation. Take your hubby out for dinner on 2/14 instead.
U VM
Rush
NYMC
Creighton
Albany
Rosy Franklin
Drexel
Temple
MCW
SLU
WVU
Jefferson
Tulane
Loyola
Wake Forest
Loma Linda (only if you are SDA or a very devout Christian)
VCU
Netter
EVMS
Oakland-B
Gtown
GWU
Uniformed Services University/Hebert (just be aware of the military service commitment)
Any DO program. I can't recommend Nova, Touro-NY, or LUCOM, for different reasons
UCI,
UCD
UCR IF you're from the Inland Empire.

Moving to TX next month won't make you a TX resident for app purposes, I believe.


hungryforapples said:
Hey guys, first-time poster here in need of some advice. I applied to medical school this year and hadn’t received any love so far. I would appreciate any feedback and guidance (and I apologize for the length of this post).

I graduated in 2012 with a BS in Biology but started out at a CC for financial reasons. First quarter at my 4 year went pretty good (nothing below a B+) but the subsequent quarters were difficult for a variety of reasons. I was still getting used to the changes in course rigor, I was working part-time at a local clinic in the neighboring county (but maybe only 10 hrs/wk), and my best friend was on trial for a serious crime. He ended up taking a plea deal and went to jail for a year. My grades tanked (never failed anything, but lots of C’s).

Eventually got out of my rut (nothing below a B+ during my last two quarters before graduation) but the damage to my GPA was done. Graduated from my 4 year with a 3.0 (this doesn’t include my CC grades). I seriously considered abandoning the idea of medicine at this point (just didn’t think I was smart enough), so I started working full time. But! I learned so much working full time at the clinic and decided to give medicine another go. Took the MCAT, was terribly ill-prepared (got a 25, yeah, that was embarrassing) and realized, if I’m going to be serious, I need to go back to school. I quit my job, took out a loan and did a one-year DIY post-bacc of upper div science courses and did pretty dang well (nothing below an A-).

End result: cGPA 3.6, sGPA 3.5, new MCAT 509 (GPA includes grades from CC)

I’m sure my grades and MCATs have contributed to me not receiving any interviews this cycle. I also applied fairly late, with some of my secondaries completed in Aug but most submitted in Sept. I also don’t have any research (none at all), BUT I have about 7 years of clinic experience. I worked at a pain clinic throughout undergrad and I’m currently at a cardiology clinic as lead auth and referrals coordinator. I understand what I do is clerical, but I’ve learned so much about the healthcare system. I’ve helped patients understand their insurance. I’ve facilitated contracts with insurances so low-income patients can be seen in the clinic. Last week I had a patient refuse to leave the front desk because he wanted to thank me in person for getting him in for an appointment (nobody would take his insurance). I absolutely hate how arbitrary so many of the insurance rules are, but I know how to play the game to the patient’s benefit.

Other things I’ve done:
Worked as a sales secretary during first year of CC – 20 hrs/wk
Sunday school teacher – 1 year (2-3 hrs/wk)

Animal-assisted therapy gigs:
Residential treatment facility (Children’s home) visitor– 2 years (6-8 hrs/mo)
Reading to dogs program – 2 years (4 hrs/mo and only during the academic calendar)
Children’s hospital – 2 years (5 hrs/mo) –This one required a certification test

I haven’t done any formal shadowing. I’ve watched a couple surgeries, but I didn’t think it was substantial enough to put on my application. I have maybe 20 hours of hospital volunteering, but again, didn’t put this put on my app. There is also a gap in my timeline after I finished my post-bacc and before I started my job (about 5 mo) where I didn’t do a whole lot (continued animal-assisted therapy, studied for new MCAT, looked for a new job).

Clearly, there are red flags on my application, but I’m not sure what to do at this point. Should I shadow doctors? I’ve been working around them for so long, I feel like I have a pretty good grasp of what they do, at least on an outpatient basis. Should I do research? I graduated almost 6 years ago, how do I get into a research position? Should I do more volunteer work?

To further complicate things, my husband was offered work in France. I’ve entertained the idea of going to medical school there but would need to take at least a year to learn the language. Plus, med school there is 6 years. Do you think it would be looked down upon if I moved there, then moved back to the states to pursue medicine?

I've completed secondaries for the following schools:
Albany
Baylor
Dartmouth
Drexel
Jefferson
Medical College Wisconsin
Loyola
Rosalind Franklin
Rush
Tufts
Tulane
UC Davis
UC Irvine
UCLA
UCSD
UCSF
USC
Vermont
Wake Forest

Applied MD only, but plan on applying to DO too next cycle. I'll be moving to Texas in a month, so I plan on applying with TMDSAS as well.

Currently a CA resident (norcal), ORM.

Please help me, I feel like a lost puppy.
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The Dragon Slayer said:
I have basically the same exact profile as you (ORM, 3.6/3.45 gpa, 505 MCAT). This is my second time applying to both MD and DO schools and I have not gotten a single interview. I also went through additional measures to improve my application over 2 gap years (master's degree, EMT, improved MCAT, etc) Feel free to reapply if you want, but you are risking ending up like me with the same result a second time through. Shadowing is likely the least of your concerns. This is quickly becoming a numbers based game that is heavily fixated on reverse discrimination. Hence, us ORMs are held to a higher standard and are SOL if we don't meet their cutoffs. One admin essentially explained this to me the first time I applied when I was reaching out to schools that had rejected me. Your MCAT and GPA are high and you really shouldn't need to improve them (probably above average for matriculants at most schools). I think France or another abroad program may be a good idea. I don't think anybody here would doubt that you can handle medical school, so this may be a good option that may save you from needing to gamble more time/money trying to get in through this rigged system.
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Thanks for your input. Investing more time and money without anything to show for is what scares me most. I know I really want this, but I also know there's a ton of us that do too, so it's a seller's market. If you don't mind answering, what do you plan on doing after this cycle?
 
hungryforapples said:
Thanks for your input. Investing more time and money without anything to show for is what scares me most. I know I really want this, but I also know there's a ton of us that do too, so it's a seller's market. If you don't mind answering, what do you plan on doing after this cycle?
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Honestly, I haven't even decided yet. Part me just wants to quit at this point after spending so many years with little or nothing to show for it, but at the same time the prospects of starting something from scratch also scares me immensely. I may consider going to an offshore school either in the Caribbean or Ireland if it is still possible to apply for the classes starting this fall. Either that or I may go to school to work as an air traffic controller (like I probably should have done after high school).
 
chaim123 said:
My thoughts are:
  • Lack of shadowing shows a lack of involvement in or understanding of what a physician does on the daily
  • A lack of research further cuts down the schools that will be interested in you
  • Also don't see any community service / volunteer work

Put that all together with an OK GPA / MCAT and late applications and your list is very top heavy. Invest in the MSAR, apply to DO schools, but first take a year and make sure you have the experiences necessary to show you're a good doctor. It's been said time and time again that applying two cycles in a row simply yields repetitive results, as you haven't improved your app yet.
Click to expand...

I haven't shadowed any doctors because I feel like I understand what they do on a daily basis from working at two clinics for 7 years. Also, I've volunteered as a Sunday school teacher and volunteered at the children's home for 2 years and children's hospital for 2-3 years (children's hospital is ongoing but inconsistent now).

I do think I might take a year between cycles to improve. Just not sure how to improve. Do you think I should volunteer more?
 
chaim123 said:
I don't see where she says her state of residence, but all the UC's are top schools, Baylor is top, Tufts is research heavy, Dartmouth is research/Ivy, etc. I'm not saying there aren't any good schools in his list. But medical school admissions are a game of chance. I applied to 23 schools, all of which I was above average GPA/MCAT, but only got 12 interviews. So there needs to me more schools like that to increase odds.
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I'm a CA resident, but I probably won't apply to most of the CA schools next time around. Will definitely not apply to Baylor next year either. Also didn't know Tufts and Dartmouth were research heavy, so thank you for that information!
 
Goro said:
Here is a more realistic list. Baylor doesn't need the donation. Take your hubby out for dinner on 2/14 instead.
U VM
Rush
NYMC
Creighton
Albany
Rosy Franklin
Drexel
Temple
MCW
SLU
WVU
Jefferson
Tulane
Loyola
Wake Forest
Loma Linda (only if you are SDA or a very devout Christian)
VCU
Netter
EVMS
Oakland-B
Gtown
GWU
Uniformed Services University/Hebert (just be aware of the military service commitment)
Any DO program. I can't recommend Nova, Touro-NY, or LUCOM, for different reasons
UCI,
UCD
UCR IF you're from the Inland Empire.

Moving to TX next month won't make you a TX resident for app purposes, I believe.
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Thank you, Goro. Do you think my lack of interviews is mostly a function of where I applied to and how late I applied? I applied to half of the schools on your list (bolded).
 
The Dragon Slayer said:
the prospects of starting something from scratch also scares me immensely.
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I hear ya!!! Sometimes I wish I just listened to my mom and did engineering lol. Your numbers seem like a shoo-in for DO, do you think it could be your essays? PM me if you want to continue this conversation or just need to vent. Best of luck to you in the future.
 
Goro said:
Here is a more realistic list. Baylor doesn't need the donation. Take your hubby out for dinner on 2/14 instead.
U VM
Rush
NYMC
Creighton
Albany
Rosy Franklin
Drexel
Temple
MCW
SLU
WVU
Jefferson
Tulane
Loyola
Wake Forest
Loma Linda (only if you are SDA or a very devout Christian)
VCU
Netter
EVMS
Oakland-B
Gtown
GWU
Uniformed Services University/Hebert (just be aware of the military service commitment)
Any DO program. I can't recommend Nova, Touro-NY, or LUCOM, for different reasons
UCI,
UCD
UCR IF you're from the Inland Empire.

Moving to TX next month won't make you a TX resident for app purposes, I believe.
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Nova? That’s a new one. Why do you feel that way?


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hungryforapples said:
I haven't shadowed any doctors because I feel like I understand what they do on a daily basis from working at two clinics for 7 years. Also, I've volunteered as a Sunday school teacher and volunteered at the children's home for 2 years and children's hospital for 2-3 years (children's hospital is ongoing but inconsistent now).

I do think I might take a year between cycles to improve. Just not sure how to improve. Do you think I should volunteer more?
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To your first point, I know it's unfortunate, but you need to show the adcoms that you understand what a doctor does. Maybe you could use some of your clinical experiences in your PS to make that shine through? Maybe some clinical volunteer or community work could be helpful to you

Also, I apologize if anyone was offended by my previous remarks. I didn't mean to be obnoxious. I was trying to make a point of numbers, not make anyone feel bad for me. I'm very grateful for the season I've had.
 
Just to be clear:
Non-clinical paid employment: 1000 hrs
Clinical paid employment: 11k hrs
Community volunteering: 300 hrs
Clinical volunteering: 60 hrs

Shadowing: 0 hrs. Is this really necessary?
Research: 0 hrs. Any advice how to get into this?

My clinical volunteering is lacking so I will definitely work on this. I will also without a doubt apply early and to more schools. Bummer moving to Texas won't make me a resident unless I own property, but I'm still moving there. I would like to add more activities to my application while working on my essays and building my school list.
 
I know I’m late to this party, but I feel like you should have researched your schools a bit more — NYMC is a notable absence on your list especially considering you applied to Albany as well. If you have to reapply definitely add them, Quinnipiac, Hofstra, and any of several other private MD schools in this half of the country.

Good luck to you!
 
Goro said:
Here is a more realistic list. Baylor doesn't need the donation. Take your hubby out for dinner on 2/14 instead.
U VM
Rush
NYMC
Creighton
Albany
Rosy Franklin
Drexel
Temple
MCW
SLU
WVU
Jefferson
Tulane
Loyola
Wake Forest
Loma Linda (only if you are SDA or a very devout Christian)
VCU
Netter
EVMS
Oakland-B
Gtown
GWU
Uniformed Services University/Hebert (just be aware of the military service commitment)
Any DO program. I can't recommend Nova, Touro-NY, or LUCOM, for different reasons
UCI,
UCD
UCR IF you're from the Inland Empire.

Moving to TX next month won't make you a TX resident for app purposes, I believe.
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SDA = Seventh-day Adventist (church)?
 
Shadowing: 0 hrs. Is this really necessary?

Ahh, that's why you got rejected. You it IS necessary. You need to know what a doctor's day is like, and to see how doctors approach the practice of Medicine.


Research: 0 hrs. Any advice how to get into this?
Since you're a non-trad applicant, you don't need it.

My clinical volunteering is lacking so I will definitely work on this.

With your paid clinical experience, you don't need clinical volunteering.
 
21Rush12 said:
I know I’m late to this party, but I feel like you should have researched your schools a bit more — NYMC is a notable absence on your list especially considering you applied to Albany as well. If you have to reapply definitely add them, Quinnipiac, Hofstra, and any of several other private MD schools in this half of the country.

Good luck to you!
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Sorry, I did apply to NYMC, just forgot to add it to the list (and I don't know how to edit my post). Haven't been rejected there either so there's still some hope. Thanks for the other schools, will definitely add those other schools
 
Goro said:
Shadowing: 0 hrs. Is this really necessary?

Ahh, that's why you got rejected. You it IS necessary. You need to know what a doctor's day is like, and to see how doctors approach the practice of Medicine.


Research: 0 hrs. Any advice how to get into this?
Since you're a non-trad applicant, you don't need it.

My clinical volunteering is lacking so I will definitely work on this.

With your paid clinical experience, you don't need clinical volunteering.
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Shadowing it is then! Thank you for your insight!
 
I agree with Goro, definitely get on shadowing and be prepared to reapply. You don’t have a lot to go, and the deficits in your app are easily remedied.


Love your username though.

“Why don’t you ask the smartest people in the universe Jerry?

Oh yeah, you cant. They blew up.”
 
21Rush12 said:
I agree with Goro, definitely get on shadowing and be prepared to reapply. You don’t have a lot to go, and the deficits in your app are easily remedied.


Love your username though.

“Why don’t you ask the smartest people in the universe Jerry?

Oh yeah, you cant. They blew up.”
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"You speak da true true."
 
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