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hey there guys!

i'm a resident and I have run into a shocking problem: the nurses think i'm a bitch. I never thought of myself as a mean person and I never felt that I was being rude to anyone. However, it seems some of my actions have been perceived that way. Can you guys give me some examples of what ticks you off about the residents? what actions should I avoid? furthermore, how can i get them to not hate me? 🙂

thanks for any advice!
 
I have no idea! i just heard this second hand and it was a shocker. i never heard it directly from them. that's why i'm wondering if you guys can post some things that tick you off and may be i can recognize it and say "oh wait, i do that!"

thanks
 
factoid said:
hey there guys!

i'm a resident and I have run into a shocking problem: the nurses think i'm a bitch. I never thought of myself as a mean person and I never felt that I was being rude to anyone. However, it seems some of my actions have been perceived that way. Can you guys give me some examples of what ticks you off about the residents? what actions should I avoid? furthermore, how can i get them to not hate me? 🙂

thanks for any advice!

Just ask them in order to be specific and resolve the problem quickly. Is it nurses on all units or just certain units? People with different personalities tend to gravitate to certain units and may perceive you differently than nurses in another unit. Chocolate probably won't hurt either! Post a pic of yourself...and I'll let you know. 😀
 
1. Being treated like a handmaiden. If you make a mess, clean it up yourself. If you need something and can't find it, ask for someone to help you...don't "order" someone to get it for you. Need a chart? Get it yourself; don't say "Get me Mr. Smith's chart," and then stand there waiting for it to be handed to you when it's right there for the taking.

2. If a nurse has an assessment/suggestion to pass along, please try to listen.

3. If a nurse questions/has a question about an order, don't pitch a fit. It's our job to question orders that seem unclear/unsafe.

4. If you're giving orders on the phone, speak clearly. If the nurse reads the orders back to you, don't get angry; we're supposed to repeat and verify verbal/telephone orders.

5. If you have to be paged in the middle of the night, don't take it out on the nursing staff. It's not our fault your pt. needs something.

6. PLEASE AT LEAST MAKE AN ATTEMPT TO WRITE YOUR ORDERS CLEARLY. Print if your writing is sloppy. See #3.

In general, just try to be decent. You don't have to like the staff, but you do have to get along. There's always a possibility that you didn't do anything, and you just happen to be in a toxic environment. Not much you can do about that.

It would help to know what type of residency you're doing, e.g. OB/Surg/IM.
 
These comments have been helpful. Thank you! (see how nice i am? 🙂)
 
I agree with Fab4Fan's suggestions. They are across-the-board excellent guidelines.

As you have asked nicely, (really!) please remember this: treat nurses in general with professional courtesy. The Golden Rule, learned in kindergarten, applied in your professional setting, will serve you well in your residency. RN's have their jobs to do --- they aren't there to make yours easier.

What unit are you currently on? Also, just remember, you can't please everyone and as Fab4Fan has pointed out, certain personalties gravitate toward certain units.

Good luck to you.
 
factoid said:
These comments have been helpful. Thank you! (see how nice i am? 🙂)

Hey, at least you care and want to know what you can do. Some of that stuff I posted is very basic, but there are people out there with no clue of how to work as a team.

And like I said, it could just be a toxic unit. I feel bad for the med students/interns/residents who get treated like crap by nurses who get their kicks out of hazing them. It only sets the rest of us up for problems down the line (besides just being unprofessional and bad form).
 
hey again! although i never meant to be rude to anyone, looking over your suggestions, i think i may have come across as rude in certain circumstances. i am in surgery btw. the nurses are great and i just want to make the whole process easier for everyone involved!

thanks!
 
an opposite view...

i'm not always sure it is the resident that is really a 'bitch' or the perception of a female in medicine working with other females. having been a nurse at the bedside i recall we were often quick to scold or pass judgement on a female who was competent but maybe lacking sleep and perhaps even the occassional please but less likely to point a finger at a less bright male who happened to be more pleasant.

as a midlevel NP i work with a female surgeon who everyone thinks is 'tough' (i.e bitch) when in fact i think it is very hard (even in this day and age) to be a female in an all male enviroment (she is the only female surgeon on staff).

as female we tend to care too much what others think and i wish it would be something i could change about myself as well.
i also have found that nurses are sometimes less helpful to a fellow female that they may be to a male doctor/PA/NP.

Regarding the 'your on your own, help yourself' mentality sometimes a providers times is very limited (office/OR/clinic..) that taking 5 minutes to find a chart that isn't in the rack or getting your own stuff for a central line is not always feasible.

However, as someone said...manners will always help no matter how nasty you are being treated..even if it is undeserved.

again..my experience and 2 cents
 
factoid,

Again, thanks for asking nurses for their input. My impression is that surgical nurses are very possessive about their patients and bird-dog them quite a bit.

Continue to be kind and respectful, but remember, if the 'please' and 'thank you's' are omitted during an emergency, there's always time afterwords to thank the team and remind them that there is one purpose for all of us to be involved in this endeavor: saving or preserving a life.

One of the things that has endeared me to residents and earned my loyalty to them is the offer of getting a round of refreshments from the cafeteria for the ER staff. I can't tell you how often that is rock-bottom salvation on a busy night. Just getting some lemonade or iced tea and a simple bagel has helped me cope through many a shift -- eating and drinking at the nursing station so I can keep an eye on the out of control pysch patient.

Also, nurses have lives, too, and everyone likes to talk about their kids/ grandkids/neices/nephews. Or outside projects they are working on, if it's rehabbing a house (as my husband and I did) or furthering her education. If you haven't already, try asking some non-threatening, open ended questions about the nurses you work with -- time permitting, of course. A bit of sincere interest in your co-workers goes a long way in disabling the 'ice queen' image you seem anxious to shed.

Thanks for asking. You'll be one of the great docs to work with, and again, I applaude you for asking for help. It's not the easiest thing to do.

(My I'm chatty today!)
 
Regarding the 'your on your own, help yourself' mentality sometimes a providers times is very limited (office/OR/clinic..) that taking 5 minutes to find a chart that isn't in the rack or getting your own stuff for a central line is not always feasible.

If this is in reference to what I posted, that is not what I said. I said it's not terribly appropriate when the chart is right there, in the rack, ready for the taking. Don't interrupt the nurse who is at the desk trying to chart/take off orders and tell her to get you the chart when you can take 5 steps and just get it yourself.

Same thing about a piece of equipment/supply. If you don't know where it is/how to get it, ask politely; don't say "Get me..." I don't really buy the excuse about the "provider" not having the time; like the nursing staff isn't busy, either? I certainly don't mind getting things for a provider, but I mind being ordered to do so in a rude manner.

And I stand my ground on "if you make a mess, clean it up yourself." I don't want to pick up the contaminated needles some doc has tossed carelessly, and I really shouldn't have to clean up other messes. I pick up my own trash, so can a doc. It's not like my time isn't valuable.
 
factoid said:
hey again! although i never meant to be rude to anyone, looking over your suggestions, i think i may have come across as rude in certain circumstances. i am in surgery btw. the nurses are great and i just want to make the whole process easier for everyone involved!

thanks!

If you're new to the dept., it could be that the staff just haven't gotten to know you yet. Staff in teaching facilities see students/interns/residents come and go all the time, and sometimes it's hard to get to know people better. Give it a little more time.

I do think it's great that you're looking for ways to improve the situation. 🙂
 
fab4fan said:
If this is in reference to what I posted, that is not what I said. I said it's not terribly appropriate when the chart is right there, in the rack, ready for the taking. Don't interrupt the nurse who is at the desk trying to chart/take off orders and tell her to get you the chart when you can take 5 steps and just get it yourself.

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not in response neccessarily but it gave me pause for thought that sometimes people are so 'unhelpful' for no good reason. apologies that i didn't read the post exactly as you intended it merely stimulated a memory of my own when i had a sick patient and was new and no one would 'help' me find the flow sheet (and i'm actually pretty pleasant and always use manners).
i'm not one to personally attack anyones statement unless they are completely insane so i apologize that you took it as such. it wasn't my intent.
 
Perhaps some better examples:

Put up your chart when you are finished with it. Dump your used cups in the trash when you are done and clean up your own messes. If you use coffee, condiments, etc. from the nurses stock (which we bring in, we provide, we pay for ...the hospital does not), pay back by bringing in a pound of coffee, or the french vanilla cream that you sneak from ours.

You get ticked that there are never copies of the tempplates that YOU and the other interns use. These are not official hospital forms, therefore neither we nor the unit secretary stock them. And given current cost cutting measures, it is difficult for us to even acquire paper to copy our official forms that we have to use and we have access to.

Therefore it is really rude, to loudly proclaim at the Nurses' Station, "I don't know WHY they can't have the basic tempplates here...we are ALWAYS out.. I didn't go to MEDICAL SCHOOL to be a secretary. Congratulations, I didn't go to NURSING SCHOOL to be a secretary, either, or to be a psychic and guesss what you want. They are your templates, either politely ask secretary to get copies and keep them stock, or go to Kinko's with one and be a hero to your fellow interns.

Plan ahead. If you know that you are going to possibly cath a patient, tell the nurse the night before. I have at least one MD that has 2 or more "last minute cath fit ins" every single day. He comes in AT SHIFT CHANGE, whines that they were not kept NPO (despite there being nothing on the chart), and wants them to STAT have a shave prep done, prep meds, consent and full teaching done in the next 45 minutes (given that the video is longer - it is an interesting concept). This, despite the fact that there is nothing emergent about their cases. And that he does this every single day. AT SHIFT CHANGE.

Your failure to reasonably plan care, does not equate with it being an EMERGENCY. And most of us get written up for excess overtime, even when you are the one that caused it.

When you have a problem with another MD, YOU handle it with that MD and keep us out of your pissing match. That also includes fights with PharmDs and a radiologists. IF a rad is not reading an xray/CT/MRI fast enough to please you, YOU call the rad and YOU settle it. If the PharmD does not want to dispense a med because it falls out of protocol, YOU call the PharmD on the phone and settle it. Don't call me out of comforting a distressed patient that has received bad news, cleaning up a patient, doing an "emergency" prep for cardiac cath, juggling 18 meds to give a patient that gets easily distracted, and takes 5 minutes to swallow 1 med.....and ask me to call hime....for me to give a message.....to his assistant...who calls me out to give me a message....to tell you what you do not want to hear...whereupon you get ticked and ask me to call him to relay X...to his nurse....etc.

All of which could be settled much more quickly and correctly, by y'all speaking one on one ...with each other. The answers would be clearly, and you won't have wasted large amounts of several people's time, or disrupted the care of the patient.

You do not have to call the nurse away from her patient to find out what insurance the patient has...the secretary, or aide at the desk can read that off the chart just as easily as we can.

We know that you are stressed. We know that you take waaay too much crap in your school and your jobs. I think that the way that many insurance companies treat you are dispicable and have lobbied on your side. Many of us could have chosen and become MDs, but chose not to, because we had other things that were more important to us. Like getting off on time, taking care of our kids. You chose this route. Try to remember that all of us have a valuable role in caring for patients. Please allow us to do ours, by doing yours in an efficient manner, and not disrupting our care for trivial matters and poor planning. And remember we have our bosses (not MDs) to answer to, and that their priorities and our priorities may differ from yours.
 
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