Nervous about something I just realized.

[Ragtime]

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So I'm now a junior in undergrad, and I'm now only realizing I got this far learning material ONLY through youtube, and lectures. I tried reading textbooks, but honestly I can say I never really learned anything from reading. I'm deeply concerned because I feel like further down the road, relying on youtube and lectures is not going to work anymore. I find it incredibly difficult to focus and concentrate on reading, and I just cannot absorb material that way. I literally only learn with a 30% efficiency via reading. It's like I cannot remember/process anything I just read. I don't know if it's some kind of disability. I was just wondering if I am doomed for if/when I get into medical school, when there will be a tremendous amount of readings that will have to be done ,and I will just not be able to learn in that way. 🙁

 

[Goro]

Go to your school's learning center stat and see if you have a learning disability, and how to cope with it.

You are going to have to learn how to deal with medical literature.

So I'm now a junior in undergrad, and I'm now only realizing I got this far learning material ONLY through youtube, and lectures. I tried reading textbooks, but honestly I can say I never really learned anything from reading. I'm deeply concerned because I feel like further down the road, relying on youtube and lectures is not going to work anymore. I find it incredibly difficult to focus and concentrate on reading, and I just cannot absorb material that way. I literally only learn with a 30% efficiency via reading. It's like I cannot remember/process anything I just read. I don't know if it's some kind of disability. I was just wondering if I am doomed for if/when I get into medical school, when there will be a tremendous amount of readings that will have to be done ,and I will just not be able to learn in that way. 🙁

 

[The_Sunny_Doc]

You could also hire a private tutor or academic "coach" who specializes in teaching people who have learning disabilities. I hope you can find the help you need.

 

[AlbinoHawk DO]

So I'm now a junior in undergrad, and I'm now only realizing I got this far learning material ONLY through youtube, and lectures. I tried reading textbooks, but honestly I can say I never really learned anything from reading. I'm deeply concerned because I feel like further down the road, relying on youtube and lectures is not going to work anymore. I find it incredibly difficult to focus and concentrate on reading, and I just cannot absorb material that way. I literally only learn with a 30% efficiency via reading. It's like I cannot remember/process anything I just read. I don't know if it's some kind of disability. I was just wondering if I am doomed for if/when I get into medical school, when there will be a tremendous amount of readings that will have to be done ,and I will just not be able to learn in that way. 🙁

Not at all. You'll be fine. I know someone that listens to each lecture like 5 times and that's it. He doesn't do anything else. Reading is not a necessary skill to survive medical school.

 

[chizledfrmstone]

Not at all. You'll be fine. I know someone that listens to each lecture like 5 times and that's it. He doesn't do anything else. Reading is not a necessary skill to survive medical school.

Depends on the curriculum.

OP, have you taken the MCAT yet?

 

[IslandStyle808]

I would highly recommend you investigate if you feel you might have a LD. It will help you figure out a course of action to take. There are learning counselors or learning specialists (provided by your university) that help you with learning strategies. Even if you don't peruse finding out if you have an LD, you can still go to a learning specialist to help you with your reading. There are people with dyslexia who have gone on to complete medical school (it wasn't easy for them, but possible).

I wouldn't go into medical school with the mind set of having to rely on youtube, recorded lectures, or lecture notes. There will be a point where you have to learn to reading dense material. I could definitely see this during residency or as an attending reading journal articles. So make sure you tackle the problem head on.

 

[zegrated]

I don't understand why people are suggesting he/she has a learning disability. People learn in different ways, doesn't mean something is wrong with you. I too found it extremely difficult to retain any information learned via textbooks in undergrad. Very inefficient way to learn in my opinion. Luckily, at least at my med school, all the information we need is in the powerpoint lectures. You'll be fine OP.

 

[SLC]

I didn't crack a textbook once in M1 or M2 that I can remember. But I listened to lectures, watched videos, and talked things over with study partners. Did quite well in the pre-clinical years.

Where this may become more of a problem is in M3 and M4 where you'll be expected to learn things more or less on your own. Your preceptors will teach, but it's going to be up to you to go home and know what you should study, and more often than not, that's going to mean reading.

But if it makes you feel any better, I think I have a similar situation. I just can't stay that focused on reading, and often feel like I don't retain what I read that well. But a good discussion, or explanatory video or audio lecture works great.

 

[Ragtime]

Thank you all for the replies. It's making me calm down a bit. From what I'm reading it's pretty 50/50, and the safe thing to do is to TRY to develop in this area I guess... But like someone mentioned above, this is just not my learning style. I was sort of hoping for what was said above; about how I could listen/watch to video/lectures over and over. Also, I can perhaps ask questions from my peers and professors to fill in gaps.

The problem for me is mostly when I have to learn something FROM SCRATCH. If I know nothing at all about a topic, I just cannot learn via reading. However, if I go to a few lectures and watch some videos first, usually I find myself having a few holes in my knowledge so I'm kind of forced to read about the topic to fill in gaps. At that point, however, I already have a background of the topic so it's a little easier to read. But even then, to be honest, I still only benefit a small amount.

Anyway, thanks again!

 

[IslandStyle808]

Thank you all for the replies. It's making me calm down a bit. From what I'm reading it's pretty 50/50, and the safe thing to do is to TRY to develop in this area I guess... But like someone mentioned above, this is just not my learning style. I was sort of hoping for what was said above; about how I could listen/watch to video/lectures over and over. Also, I can perhaps ask questions from my peers and professors to fill in gaps.

The problem for me is mostly when I have to learn something FROM SCRATCH. If I know nothing at all about a topic, I just cannot learn via reading. However, if I go to a few lectures and watch some videos first, usually I find myself having a few holes in my knowledge so I'm kind of forced to read about the topic to fill in gaps. At that point, however, I already have a background of the topic so it's a little easier to read. But even then, to be honest, I still only benefit a small amount.

Anyway, thanks again!

I had the same issues as yourself when I started. I didn't even have youtube as a resource back when I started in college (if I did I would have killed my intro courses, and in less time). It wasn't until I actually had seen a learning specialist that I actually started seeing real improvements in my grades. These are the people who help you LEARN FROM SCRATCH, not tutors (tutors help mainly with subject mastery).

During my time doing research, I would have to read articles that I had zero background in. They were extremely dense and had numbers I did not understand. So what I did to "space out" the information was to create a concept map of the steps of the experiment (like a flow chart), even drawing pictures of what I thought each step looked like. If there was step or numbers I still did not understand, I would look it up. I would not have realized this way of learning had I not spoken with a learning specialist. She actually did not tell me to do this for my journal articles, but for my power points and books that I read. I just applied the concept I learned from her to my journal articles and it worked very well.

The main thing here is try to speak with people about the resources your college has, and utilize all of them. Don't just figure it out on your own, it takes tons of trial and error. However, when you speak with people, especially professionals in learning, you will get a lot of innovative ideas you have never even thought of.

 

[67552931811]

Nvm.

 

[Mad Jack]

I don't do a lot of reading. It's mostly lectures and online stuff, with maybe 40-50 pages a week of actual reading to fill in the blanks. You'll be fine.

 

[j4pac]

So I'm now a junior in undergrad, and I'm now only realizing I got this far learning material ONLY through youtube, and lectures. I tried reading textbooks, but honestly I can say I never really learned anything from reading. I'm deeply concerned because I feel like further down the road, relying on youtube and lectures is not going to work anymore. I find it incredibly difficult to focus and concentrate on reading, and I just cannot absorb material that way. I literally only learn with a 30% efficiency via reading. It's like I cannot remember/process anything I just read. I don't know if it's some kind of disability. I was just wondering if I am doomed for if/when I get into medical school, when there will be a tremendous amount of readings that will have to be done ,and I will just not be able to learn in that way. 🙁

My only piece of advice...don't do PBL. I loved PBL but you would fail. It's not a good fit for you.

 

[IslandStyle808]

My only piece of advice...don't do PBL. I loved PBL but you would fail. It's not a good fit for you.

Reading problems would be a big issue with PBL. I have friends in an MD school with PBL, your presentation sources have to be from actual medical texts books (yes, Big Robins is one of them). You can't use BRS or cliff note type books for your sources. Not sure if this is true at other schools, but I am pretty sure they would expect the same thing.

 

[premed2113]

Look up Dr. Najeeb

 

[ortnakas]

Reading problems would be a big issue with PBL. I have friends in an MD school with PBL, your presentation sources have to be from actual medical texts books (yes, Big Robins is one of them). You can't use BRS or cliff note type books for your sources. Not sure if this is true at other schools, but I am pretty sure they would expect the same thing.

Agreed-- I'm in a PBL program and most of our exams are exclusively from textbooks (also, yes, including Big Robbins, which is what I should be reading right now). It's likely in your best interest to figure out how to study for textbooks, at least to supplement your learning, but if you're certain it'll always be a weak area for you, definitely look for a lecture-based curriculum.

 

[cliquesh]

Keep in mind once you graduate from school formal education kind of stops. As a resident, you will likely have daily lectures, but the lectures will not cover everything you need to know. You will have to go out of your way to read. Additionally, as an attending you will have to read frequently to stay up to date.

 

[DreamingDoc]

I'm just a first year, but YouTube and recorded lectures have been great for me. According to a learning styles exam we had to take at the beginning of the year, I am a strong read/write learner FWIW, but I can't imagine having gotten through some of my courses without watching some videos. I definitely agree with the above that you should visit your school's learning center, but I don't think it will be much of a problem for you during your first 2 years of med school.

 

[Seth Joo]

People assume PBL programs mean less time in class and sleeping in during the week it really means spending more time reading the actual text book and more time reading and studying on your own. Didactic is better when it comes to your time because the professors test what is on their notes, but usually people do better on the boards on PBL because they actually learn more and memorize less.

Whichever way, expect a lot less free time when you become a medical student. The days of partying and having fun and being "cool" are over.

 

[Ragtime]

Wow, I made this thread about a year ago. Here's an update for anyone who might find this useful. I went on to investigate further what was going on by discussing this with physicians. I began discussing my concerns with my psychiatrist around late January, but it wasn't until April that I was diagnosed with ADHD.

The treatment I'm receiving is very effective. I went from a 2.8 spring quarter to a 4.0 fall quarter.

If you've read my other threads, you would've seen how much I've been struggling with school. By the time I graduate in 2017, it would had taken me 7 years to complete a bachelors degree. However, now I just feel like I'm finally reaching my potential. I always felt like I was capable, but for some reason I could not make high enough marks despite how hard I worked.

But another reason why I revived this thread is to ask how this would affect my chances applying to medical school.
Is this something I should even talk about in an interview? Do you think admissions might think of me as not being able to handle the medical school curriculum?

 

[Ragtime]

Oh and as an FYI, apparently, the reason why I was able to learn better through youtube and lectures was because it was more stimulating than plainly reading from a textbook.

 

[IslandStyle808]

Wow, I made this thread about a year ago. Here's an update for anyone who might find this useful. I went on to investigate further what was going on by discussing this with physicians. I began discussing my concerns with my psychiatrist around late January, but it wasn't until April that I was diagnosed with ADHD.

The treatment I'm receiving is very effective. I went from a 2.8 spring quarter to a 4.0 fall quarter.

If you've read my other threads, you would've seen how much I've been struggling with school. By the time I graduate in 2017, it would had taken me 7 years to complete a bachelors degree. However, now I just feel like I'm finally reaching my potential. I always felt like I was capable, but for some reason I could not make high enough marks despite how hard I worked.

But another reason why I revived this thread is to ask how this would affect my chances applying to medical school.
Is this something I should even talk about in an interview? Do you think admissions might think of me as not being able to handle the medical school curriculum?

Yep. My story is very similar to yours. I hope your story serves as a testament to seeking professional help.

I didn't really mention my LD in my interviews. I just mentioned that I went to see my university's learning specialist to learn how to study and psychologist to learn time management/how to handle stress. They seem glad that I was proactive when I noticed my issues in my academics.

 

[docycle]

So I'm now a junior in undergrad, and I'm now only realizing I got this far learning material ONLY through youtube, and lectures. I tried reading textbooks, but honestly I can say I never really learned anything from reading. I'm deeply concerned because I feel like further down the road, relying on youtube and lectures is not going to work anymore. I find it incredibly difficult to focus and concentrate on reading, and I just cannot absorb material that way. I literally only learn with a 30% efficiency via reading. It's like I cannot remember/process anything I just read. I don't know if it's some kind of disability. I was just wondering if I am doomed for if/when I get into medical school, when there will be a tremendous amount of readings that will have to be done ,and I will just not be able to learn in that way. 🙁

WRONG.

You don't have a disability. You just suck at reading textbooks because, by your own admission, you barely read textbooks. Stop being like 99.99% of people and take this as a challenge, not a free pass to give up. You're not getting it? Go back and re-read it. Still only at 50%? Do it again. And again and again and again until it's 100% or at least super close to 100%.

Btw for the record, no one memorizes every little thing in textbooks anyway. 30% is actually pretty damn good. And that's about the percentage of text material that the prof usually actually cares about and puts on the exam. It's far more important that you know what the prof wants anyway. You could read and memorize the text like mad and still totally fail an exam because you didn't just do what the prof told you or pay attention to the specifics of his lecture which weren't in the text.

But anyway.

Key to college: Learning that you actually have to work at things for hours and hours/days and days/weeks and weeks sometimes before they actually start working, and not giving up in the mean time. Same with an actual career where you have to solve hard problems. Same with basically everything in life worth doing.

Good luck. Oh and pro tip: When you have an underdeveloped skill, it's usually not because you have a disease. You just never trained it and therefore are terrible at it. You train and get better. Which takes time.

 

[docycle]

@Ragtime my b. Only read the OP without even checking the date. Still think it applies to anyone who may come across this thread in the future having similar problems though.

Oh dude you actually took pharmaceuticals for this? Uy. Well yeah I mean....that's one way to go about it I guess.

 

[3member]

I have to agree with docycle here. I actually haven't read practically my whole life up until about 2 years ago. At first the focus was difficult, but as docycle mentioned, you have to keep putting in the work to get better at things. Though you may really be diagnosed with an attention disorder, I just wanted to input my viewpoint and I've noticed too many people relying on medication and not on their own potential. Sorry to end with a cheesy punchline but: the brain is way more malleable and capable than we think!

 

[3member]

But anyway, for those who are also struggling with reading, I advise y'all to start taking up reading--the MCAT is gonna bite you in the arse

 

[docycle]

For the record I don't particularly believe in attention disorders like ADHD. Too easy to diagnose; every kid with restless leg syndrome (...) seems to have it. Your attention is crap because you're too extroverted/a narcissist/want everything to be easy and can't deal. Too much energy? Use that to drill the info into your head. Don't use it to distract yourself. I'm up against the exact same problem all the time, and it overtakes me in particular when I'm not practicing being a productive student. Call it mental inertia. You push your way through it at the beginning and it becomes much easier over time.

Or screw it. Don't push your way through it. Take the drugs. Hopefully that dependence doesn't have negative consequences in the future (might not. dunno. statistics aren't perfect and universally applicable).

 

[3member]

@docycle Hahaha actually neither do I (was just being "PC" 😛...ack! 😱 I guess not anymore!! 😀)

But anyway...though there may be a range of learning capabilities, it's pretty sad because I feel like some people use their "diagnosis" as a cop-out and limit themselves biiig time. Hard work definitely pays off

 

[docycle]

@docycle Hahaha actually neither do I (was just being "PC" 😛...ack! 😱 I guess not anymore!! 😀)

But anyway...though there may be a range of learning capabilities, it's pretty sad because I feel like some people use their "diagnosis" as a cop-out and limit themselves biiig time. Hard work definitely pays off

Eh. Competition's not always fair. If they can beat me on grades by dropping $100 for a 30min appointment, complaining about their "inability" to concentrate and subsequently receiving drugs that improve their performance over mine....well I guess they win.

I just don't feel comfortable about needing to supplement my performance.

Oh and not being able to eat much would be a pain.

 

[Stagg737]

But another reason why I revived this thread is to ask how this would affect my chances applying to medical school.
Is this something I should even talk about in an interview? Do you think admissions might think of me as not being able to handle the medical school curriculum?

I wouldn't necessarily bring it up. However, if they ask you why there is such a sudden, dramatic change in your performance, you can say you were undiagnosed before and after getting your situation under control it no longer effects you. Being able to jump from a 2.7 to a 4.0 (especially if you've maintained that), would be pretty suggestive that what you're doing is working and that you're capable of being successful in higher level classes (like med school). Another thing to keep in mind, a huge percentage of med students either have or develop a mental or emotional condition in medical school. The numbers are staggering, and adcoms understand this. They want people that can handle the stress, so showing that you know how to succeed and that the 'condition' isn't hampering you is a huge plus.

Summary, don't bring it up, but if they prod or ask why you were suddenly successful, it's fine as an explanation.


I'll also add that the people that are saying "if you can't learn by reading you're just not doing it enough" don't understand learning modalities. Some people learn better by reading, others don't. Can you get better at it? Sure, but that doesn't mean that will be the most effective way for you to learn anything or that you should be studying that way. Below is a link to a free survey called the VARK. It takes about 15-20 minutes to complete, but will help you better understand what learning styles work best for you and which don't. It also includes some tips as to how each type of learner can study/learn more effectively and what NOT to do (example, if you're not a reading-type learner, don't sit there and read a textbook over and over). I used to use it on all the kids I tutored, and once we figured out their learning styles, they almost always improved immediately. If I had to guess, I'd say you're probably an auditory learner, maybe some visual or kinesthetic, and a weak reading learner, but the best way to figure it out is just take the survey and read up on it yourself. The best way to prepare for med school, is to figure out how you learn best now so you don't have to when you're trying to cram pathology into your brain.

Link:
http://vark-learn.com/the-vark-questionnaire/

 

[docycle]

I'll also add that the people that are saying "if you can't learn by reading you're just not doing it enough" don't understand learning modalities.

Nope. Definitely do. I'm a proponent of utilizing the "learning style" that helps you best. I was just contending the point that one would be incapable of learning from reading. That's where I will always call BS -- unless the person is illiterate.

Some people learn better by reading, others don't. Can you get better at it? Sure, but that doesn't mean that will be the most effective way for you to learn anything or that you should be studying that way.

We're in agreement. I wasn't contending the point that OP could learn better in other ways.

Below is a link to a free survey called the VARK. It takes about 15-20 minutes to complete, but will help you better understand what learning styles work best for you and which don't. It also includes some tips as to how each type of learner can study/learn more effectively and what NOT to do (example, if you're not a reading-type learner, don't sit there and read a textbook over and over). I used to use it on all the kids I tutored, and once we figured out their learning styles, they almost always improved immediately. If I had to guess, I'd say you're probably an auditory learner, maybe some visual or kinesthetic, and a weak reading learner, but the best way to figure it out is just take the survey and read up on it yourself. The best way to prepare for med school, is to figure out how you learn best now so you don't have to when you're trying to cram pathology into your brain.

Agreed. I actually don't even know why OP was saying he couldn't learn via videos. Why the heck not? Pretty much every subject has a multitude of online lectures/tutorials on it. Unless OP was into some reaaaaaalllllyyy specific upper level stuff he should have been fine to continue using vids as a supplement to lectures.

And for the record **** textbooks. I've not cracked one in two years, because it seems like their only use is wasting my damn time when I can go and get the main points from another source. 3.7cGPA using that approach.

 

[Ragtime]

Thank you everyone for the feedback. It is very much appreciated.

I don't think some people could understand how difficult it really is for someone like me to study being untreated (unable to focus). I had a really good work ethic, but I just could not study productively or efficiently during my study sessions no matter how hard I tried (I tried so many different things). People would be surprised if they found out that my cGPA was a ~3.0 because they knew how hard I used to work. But that's totally irrelevant. Everyone's entitled to their own opinions, and what really matters most to me is that I'm finally accomplishing my personal goals.

I just hope that people who are in the same position that I was in (in the beginning of the year) can learn something from this thread. That is, that one should investigate what can be done for him/herself in order to improve his or her academic deficiencies.

Also I wanted to point out that, ironically, after being treated, reading became the best method of learning for me! So this is when I realized, that it wasn't the learning style that was affecting my performance. Instead, a different factor was affecting my performance. The only logical causal association I can make for the increase in my performance is my new ability to focus.

 

[AlteredScale]

Don't listen to @Stagg737 , he's a nut.

 

[Stagg737]

We're in agreement. I wasn't contending the point that OP could learn better in other ways.


Agreed. I actually don't even know why OP was saying he couldn't learn via videos. Why the heck not? Pretty much every subject has a multitude of online lectures/tutorials on it. Unless OP was into some reaaaaaalllllyyy specific upper level stuff he should have been fine to continue using vids as a supplement to lectures.

And for the record **** textbooks. I've not cracked one in two years, because it seems like their only use is wasting my damn time when I can go and get the main points from another source. 3.7cGPA using that approach.

Fair enough on the reading. I was always just hesitant to say reading is the way to go since so many people are so much worse at it than they think. Our current dean said an old colleague actually did a study and found that most first year med students had a reading level that they should have had in high school.

I thought he said he could learn by video, but maybe I misread. Either way, I still think you can find solid videos even for med school level classes. Pathoma is a strong foundation, Dr. Najeeb has good vids, sketchy is solid for micro (and hopefully pharm soon), picmonic isn't bad, and there are always videos that other med students make and post on youtube that have great pnemonics. Plus many schools record their lectures, at my school some people just watch the lectures over and over. I honestly hadn't used an actual textbook until this year when it became unavoidable, but for the most part I don't use them either.

Edit: You're killing my credibility here @AlteredScale !

 

[darknecrosforte]

I'm leaning toward the "ADHD doesn't exist" faction because it seems more like "I've never done any manual dexterity-intensive activities but for some reason, violin is nearly impossible for me to learn at the age of 26". Consider that your brain has spent YEARS physiologically making you good at things you have been doing over a long period of time (watching moving images and lectures) and down-regulating the connections that you never use (like visualizing words on a page). This seems to be a big part of why most college-aged Americans have a hard time with textbooks. Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television by Jerry Mander (hilarious pun) is a badass book.

You have to deconstruct new skillsets and work on competencies one-at-a-time. Things like subvocalizing and not using a guide (finger or pen) make it harder to get through books. It also helps to use NLP to "brainwash" yourself into enjoying things you need to learn just a bit more than you could with willpower alone.

All the learning modality stuff is good for things where you have an option in how you learn something. Unfortunately, not everything is like that... It's good you found help though.

 

[IslandStyle808]

WRONG.

You don't have a disability. You just suck at reading textbooks because, by your own admission, you barely read textbooks. Stop being like 99.99% of people and take this as a challenge, not a free pass to give up. You're not getting it? Go back and re-read it. Still only at 50%? Do it again. And again and again and again until it's 100% or at least super close to 100%.

Btw for the record, no one memorizes every little thing in textbooks anyway. 30% is actually pretty damn good. And that's about the percentage of text material that the prof usually actually cares about and puts on the exam. It's far more important that you know what the prof wants anyway. You could read and memorize the text like mad and still totally fail an exam because you didn't just do what the prof told you or pay attention to the specifics of his lecture which weren't in the text.

But anyway.

Key to college: Learning that you actually have to work at things for hours and hours/days and days/weeks and weeks sometimes before they actually start working, and not giving up in the mean time. Same with an actual career where you have to solve hard problems. Same with basically everything in life worth doing.

Good luck. Oh and pro tip: When you have an underdeveloped skill, it's usually not because you have a disease. You just never trained it and therefore are terrible at it. You train and get better. Which takes time.

Suffice to say this is only true if how you read is effective or if it works for you. I pretty much did exactly what you have described for years (yes I wasn't a good reader either). It was only mildly effective.

However, after actually going to learning specialist did I actually learn how to effectively retain information. The one point you are absolutely correct on is that you have to know what the prof wants. This is all part of knowing how to study effectively.

When you read you need to need to know how to organize the information and what your goals are in reading. If you don't have these thoughts in mind when reading your methods are going to be ineffective (whether it be the details or the main message).

What you are describing in the first paragraph is exactly what our broken educational system expects us to do when we read. It is not as simple as popping open a book and reading it over and over again till it is burned in your brain. It works for some, but not for others, myself included.

I highly suggest people look at the summary of books and skim the subtitles of a chapter before even reading. This gives the person an understanding of what will happen in the book. As you read, there will be various method you can do to get the just of what you read. You can ask yourself "what is the summary of what your read?" You can make a diagram of concepts. You can also make comparisons and contrasts to different sections of the book (what differences are there between B cells and T cells in the chapter). There are many effective ways out their to retain information and organize information, the main thing is to look for them.

My retention and understanding shot up drastically when I actually stop reading like a grade schooler (over and over again), and looked at the information goal oriented and trying new methods of retaining information. As an SDN member once said to me, it's not "practice makes perfect" but "perfect practice makes perfect." An ineffective way of studying will never work no matter how many times you practice, but an effective way of studying will work wonders.