neurologic critical care/stroke

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How is the lifestyle of a neuro critical care neurologist or neurologist who subspecializes in cerebrovascular/stroke?

How does the compensation compare to outpatient general neurologists?

Do they basically just work up strokes all day?

Im interested in neuro in general and just wondering what this avenue offers.

thanks
 
Neurocritical care: takes care of SAH, Mysthenia and status epilepticus and other critical conditions of neurological disease.
Stroke: Covers stroke diagnosis, treatment and prevention. They do also take care of stroke patient in the unit if they have to.
There is overlap and some univ offers the combined fellowship like MGH.

The salary and life style have been discussed very much in other threads. Please search in the forum.

Cheers,
RAD
 
Stroke and critical care neuro used to be more intertwined. They are now separate fellowships. Stroke physicians are more accurately called vascular neurologists. Yes, they work up and treat acute strokes. They also see patients in clinic, where they manage a variety of vascular neurologic issues. Many also do general neurology, depending on the setting. Most importantly, they are in a position to do clinical and basic science research on the causes, management, and primary/secondary prevention of stroke.

Neurocritical care physicians manage all neurologic disease that renders the patient critically ill. This includes ICH, AIS, SAH, trauma, SE, CNS infections, and a myriad of other CNS and PNS conditions that I don't care to list. Until a few years ago, these physicians were also typically boarded in stroke as well, although as I have said, they are now separate. Many do not have clinics, and devote their time to clinical and research duties. Critical care time is still (currently) billed fairly well, and so there is decent earning potential. The issue is, you are not typically in private practice, so your department is doing the earning, not you (directly). It costs a lot of money to build, maintain, and support a full NCCU.

Both stroke and NCCU physicians can expect to work unusual hours, due to the acute and uncompromising nature of their jobs. The fellowships themselves are also often not a walk in the park. Expect to work 80 hours per week at least during a neurocritical care fellowship -- and they aren't 80 easy hours. Think chest tubes, central lines, and acute intubations, with overnights and 30+ hour shifts.
 
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Many do not have clinics, and devote their time to clinical and research duties. Critical care time is still (currently) billed fairly well, and so there is decent earning potential. The issue is, you are not typically in private practice, so your department is doing the earning, not you (directly). It costs a lot of money to build, maintain, and support a full NCCU.


So does that mean that neurointensivists are mostly at academic centers? Or that they usually have to do research as well as clinic? Or is it just a preference?

Thank you guys for your input. It helps me out alot. It was a recent surprise to me that I am even remotely interested in neuro. But after the neuroanatomy course and shadowing some outpatient neurologists (even on-call) I am now taking it seriously.
 
Well, neurointensivists need a unit to practice in. These are expensive, and need to be justified by the catchment of the hospital. Columbia has an 18 bed NCCU, and MGH has 22 beds. That's not that many, when you think about it, but most neuro patients don't need ICU level care, or require it only briefly. A community hospital would need a lot of volume to justify the space and cost of a NCCU. Hence, you see them more often in regional and academic tertiary medical centers. However, they are a good profit center for a hospital, and so are popping up in more places now than ever before.
 
So does that mean that neurointensivists are mostly at academic centers? Or that they usually have to do research as well as clinic? Or is it just a preference?

Thank you guys for your input. It helps me out alot. It was a recent surprise to me that I am even remotely interested in neuro. But after the neuroanatomy course and shadowing some outpatient neurologists (even on-call) I am now taking it seriously.

speaking as a neurocritical care fellow who just began job hunting.. there are plenty of academic positions throughout the country.. but there are also private practice opportunities for a neurointensivist.. obviously you will need major neurosurgery, vascular neurology and hospital support.. so these places tend to be in larger volume centers in major cities
 
thanks for all of the feedback

Another question (for those that are in Neurocritical care):

Did you know going into your neurology residency that you wanted to do neurocritical care or was that a desire that grew during residency? Do you feel like a typical neurology residency gives you enough breadth of experience to get a good feel for a neurocritical care subspecialty?
 
thanks for all of the feedback

Another question (for those that are in Neurocritical care):

Did you know going into your neurology residency that you wanted to do neurocritical care or was that a desire that grew during residency? Do you feel like a typical neurology residency gives you enough breadth of experience to get a good feel for a neurocritical care subspecialty?

neurology residency itself definitely will not prepare you to become a neurointensivist..

as for me.. i found the thought of a career in doing outpatient neurology clinic mind numbing.. i rather be treating a patient in status than work-up a peripheral neuropathy or a headache