Neurology match 2021

[Wanderer HitchHiker]

I noticed that there are no threads for this year's match in the forum so let's start one.

 

[DrStephenStrange]

There is one it's just called Neuro match 2020 instead of 2021

Neurology Match 2020

Hi guys! I'm a MS4 US student looking to connect with people also applying to Neuro for residency. Previous years at my school haven't had many people go into this field, and there's only 3 others this current year applying who I'm not close to so it feels like I'm going in a little blind here...

forums.studentdoctor.net

 

[Wanderer HitchHiker]

I meant a match that would help with tracking invitations' timeline of the programs like the older ones
I am not sure if there's a spreadsheet for this year's match because the one available at the moment is just for virtual events not interview invites. If anyone has an active doc for this year interviews, please share it. If not, let's do it the old way

Here's the list from the older thread!

Albany Medical Center Program
Albert Einstein College of Medicine at Beth Israel Medical Center Program
Albert Einstein College of Medicine Program
Albert Einstein Healthcare Network Program
Allegheny General Hospital-Western Pennsylvania Hospital Medical Education Consortium (AGH) Program
Baylor College of Medicine Program
Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center/Harvard Medical School Program
Boston University Medical Center Program
Botsford Hospital Program
Brigham and Women's Hospital/Massachusetts General Hospital/Harvard Medical School Program
Brown University Program
Carilion Clinic-Virginia Tech Carilion School of Medicine Program
Case Western Reserve University/University Hospitals Case Medical Center Program
Cedars-Sinai Medical Center Program
Cleveland Clinic (Florida) Program
Cleveland Clinic Foundation Program
College of Medicine, Mayo Clinic (Arizona) Program
College of Medicine, Mayo Clinic (Jacksonville) Program
College of Medicine, Mayo Clinic (Rochester) Program
Cooper Medical School of Rowan University/Cooper University Hospital Program
Dartmouth-Hitchcock Medical Center Program
Detroit Medical Center/Wayne State University Program
Drexel University College of Medicine/Hahnemann University Hospital Program
Duke University Hospital Program
Emory University Program
Geisinger Health System Program
George Washington University Program
Georgetown University Hospital Program
Henry Ford Hospital/Wayne State University Program
HealthOne Program
Howard University Program
Ichen at Mount Sinai (Downtown)
Ichen at Mount Sinai
Indiana University School of Medicine Program
Jackson Memorial Hospital/Jackson Health System Program
Johns Hopkins University Program
Kaiser Permanente Southern California (Los Angeles) Program
Lehigh Valley Program
Loma Linda University Program
Los Angeles County-Harbor-UCLA Medical Center Program
Louisiana State University (Shreveport) Program
Louisiana State University Program
Loyola University Program
Madigan Healthcare System Program
Marshal University
McGaw Medical Center of Northwestern University Program
Medical College of Georgia Program
Medical College of Wisconsin Affiliated Hospitals Program
Medical University of South Carolina Program
Mercy Health Grand Rapids
Methodist Hospital (Houston) Program
National Capital Consortium Program
New York Medical College at Westchester Medical Center Program
New York Presbyterian Hospital (Columbia Campus) Program
New York Presbyterian Hospital (Cornell Campus) Program
New York University School of Medicine Program
NSLIJHS/Hofstra North Shore-LIJ School of Medicine Program
Ochsner Clinic Foundation
Ohio State University Hospital Program
Oregon Health & Science University Program
Palmetto Health/University of South Carolina School of Medicine Program
Penn State University/Milton S Hershey Medical Center Program
Riverside Community Hospital
Rush University Medical Center Program
Rutgers New Jersey Medical School Program
Rutgers Robert Wood Johnson Medical School Program
San Antonio Uniformed Services Health Education Consortium Program
Scott and White Memorial Hospital Program
Seton Hall University School of Health and Medical Sciences Program
Southern Illinois University Program
Sparrow Hospital/Michigan State University Program
St Joseph's Hospital and Medical Center Program
St Louis University School of Medicine Program
Stanford University Program
SUNY at Stony Brook Program
SUNY Health Science Center at Brooklyn Program
SUNY Upstate Medical University Program
Temple University Hospital Program
Texas Tech University [Lubbock] Program
Thomas Jefferson University Program
Tufts Medical Center Program
Tulane University Program
UCLA Medical Center Program
University at Buffalo Program
University Hospital/University of Cincinnati College of Medicine Program
University of Alabama Medical Center Program
University of Arizona College of Medicine at South Campus Program
University of Arizona Program
University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences Program
University of California (Davis) Health System Program
University of California (Irvine) Program
University of California (San Diego) Program
University of California (San Francisco) Program
University of Central Florida
University of Chicago Program
University of Colorado Program
University of Connecticut Program
University of Florida College of Medicine Jacksonville Program
University of Florida Program
University of Illinois College of Medicine at Chicago Program
University of Illinois College of Medicine at Peoria Program
University of Iowa Hospitals and Clinics Program
University of Kansas School of Medicine Program
University of Kentucky College of Medicine Program
University of Louisville Program
University of Maryland Program
University of Massachusetts Program
University of Michigan Program
University of Minnesota Program
University of Mississippi Medical Center Program
University of Missouri-Columbia Program
University of Missouri-Kansas City
University of Nebraska Medical Center College of Medicine/Creighton University Program
University of New Mexico Program
University of North Carolina Hospitals Program
University of Oklahoma Health Sciences Center Program
University of Pennsylvania Program
University of Puerto Rico Program
University of Rochester Program
University of South Alabama Program
University of South Florida Morsani Program
University of Southern California/LAC+USC Medical Center Program
University of Tennessee Program
University of Texas at Houston Program
University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio Program
University of Texas Medical Branch Hospitals Program
University of Texas Southwestern Medical School (Austin) Program
University of Texas Southwestern Medical School Program
University of Texas Tech
University of Toledo Program
University of Utah Program
University of Vermont/Fletcher Allen Health Care Program
University of Virginia Program
University of Washington Program
University of Wisconsin Program
UPMC Medical Education Program
UPMC Erie
Vanderbilt University Program
Virginia Commonwealth University Health System Program
Wake Forest University School of Medicine Program
Washington University/B-JH/SLCH Consortium Program
West Virginia University Program
Wright State University
Yale-New Haven Medical Center Program

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[DrStephenStrange]

There is the reddit spreadsheet:

 

[Wanderer HitchHiker]

Thank you, this is very helpful!

 

[Wanderer HitchHiker]

I just assigned my last LoR yesterday, should I contact the programs letting them know that my application is now complete?

 

[Chibucks15]

I just assigned my last LoR yesterday, should I contact the programs letting them know that my application is now complete?

They automatically get updated to the best of my knowledge

 

[BlueBleck]

I just assigned my last LoR yesterday, should I contact the programs letting them know that my application is now complete?

My understanding is that chibucks is right that they're auto-updated, but that programs aren't notified that your app was updated. So if they already looked through it and passed you over for an incomplete app, then they won't be notified that you're now complete. So if they haven't looked yet, then you're good.

Trouble is that you won't know which program is which. If I were in your shoes, I would be emailing program letters of interest + updating them on my new LoR.

 

[Wanderer HitchHiker]

Yeah, I know they get auto-updated. The thing is like BlueBleck said, the programs mark such applications as incomplete without even reviewing them, so they "may" revisit them later. To my knowledge, some programs get notified once the application is complete. One of the programs sent me earlier that my app is incomplete and I have until OCT 31 to complete it so I can be considered. The same day I assigned the 3rd LoR, I received an email from them it's complete now and we will review it. But this is only one program

 

[BlueBleck]

Yeah, I know they get auto-updated. The thing is like BlueBleck said, the programs mark such applications as incomplete without even reviewing them, so they "may" revisit them later. To my knowledge, some programs get notified once the application is complete. One of the programs sent me earlier that my app is incomplete and I have until OCT 31 to complete it so I can be considered. The same day I assigned the 3rd LoR, I received an email from them it's complete now and we will review it. But this is only one program

Interesting, new information to me. I'd throw your home PD a question about it to clear all doubts.

 

[Wanderer HitchHiker]

If I am to throw my home PD a question it would be when are you planning to send me the interview invitation? I got this info from my home PC

 

[star050]

Anyone know about the program UPMC in Erie, PA? Do they only take DO students or something? Majority of faculty is DO on website and there's no link for current students in their neurology residency program

 

[DrStephenStrange]

Anyone know about the program UPMC in Erie, PA? Do they only take DO students or something? Majority of faculty is DO on website and there's no link for current students in their neurology residency program

Yes, it's a former DO program. And no, they should be accepting both MDs and DOs now due to the merger that happened last year. Unless they have some sort of OMM requirement for MDs which I doubt for a Neuro program.

 

[Oligodinero]

I am supposed to be finishing my Neuro rotation at Hamot right now but I got pulled from it to quarantine after my first week when my wife caught COVID. There was no OMM happening there that I was aware of. They do have allopathic residents there. The 2 other students on with me were osteopathic students auditioning (one from LECOM, one from Campbell). A third student was military matching but was planning on going into neurology....I can't recall if he was allopathic or osteopathic to be honest.
Seems like a good program...I'm looking to match EM BTW. Dr. Phinney is one of the faculty and he's a PI doing some interesting research. Lots of strokes, fair amount of MS....because Erie.

 

[Wanderer HitchHiker]

I would like to ask another question about UPMC Pitts; how competitive are neurology and neurodevelopmental disabilities residencies ther? I totally understand it is a subjective question and I cannot get a definitive answer; however, I would appreciate a relative one like ivy, high, middle or low tier. Or as compared to other widely known specialties.

 

[DrStephenStrange]

I would like to ask another question about UPMC Pitts; how competitive are neurology and neurodevelopmental disabilities residencies ther? I totally understand it is a subjective question and I cannot get a definitive answer; however, I would appreciate a relative one like ivy, high, middle or low tier. Or as compared to other widely known specialties.

Doximity has it ranked as 33rd by reputation, so I'd say it's a fairly high to upper middle tier program.

 

[Wanderer HitchHiker]

can you please share the link for this ranking

 

[DrStephenStrange]

can you please share the link for this ranking

www.doximity.com it's like a type of HIPAA protected online networking service for medical professionals including med students. It's fairly popular, so I assumed you were already familiar with it. Anyway, you can create an account and verify your credentials as a medical student to start using it. Then you can go on their residency navigator page and look up neurology programs by reputation, and it will populate the list for you.

 

[Wanderer HitchHiker]

Thanks so much for this powerful tool.

 

[DrStephenStrange]

Thanks so much for this powerful tool.

You're welcome.

 

[Ibn Alnafis MD]

You're welcome.

Did you end up applying for neurology?

 

[DrStephenStrange]

Did you end up applying for neurology?

That's for next year. But yeah, it's most likely that I will end up applying to Neuro.

 

[Ibn Alnafis MD]

That's for next year. But yeah, it's most likely that I will end up applying to Neuro.

Good choice. Good luck

 

[DrStephenStrange]

Good choice. Good luck

Thank you! In the next few months, I might come back to you for advice. I really appreciate you on this forum.

 

[BlueBleck]

Thank you! In the next few months, I might come back to you for advice. I really appreciate you on this forum.

Ibn is dope as hell, no joke. Took a ton of his advice and am having a great time rn with apps and overall.

 

[Wanderer HitchHiker]

Is it OK that my interview was not scheduled on ERAS? I received the invitation on ERAS inbox only, but scheduling was through emailing them!

 

[DerpyNeuroMD]

Is it OK that my interview was not scheduled on ERAS? I received the invitation on ERAS inbox only, but scheduling was through emailing them!

Yes, that is common

 

[bowler_13]

I know there is a lot out there right now about the number of interviews people should be doing and if it differs from the "safe" number from previous years. Decided to see what my future (hopefully) neuro colleagues had to say about this. What number of neurology interviews do you believe is safe this year before you can start cancelling?

 

[DerpyNeuroMD]

I know there is a lot out there right now about the number of interviews people should be doing and if it differs from the "safe" number from previous years. Decided to see what my future (hopefully) neuro colleagues had to say about this. What number of neurology interviews do you believe is safe this year before you can start cancelling?

I'm just sticking to around what the interactive nrmp data says to match ~100% with my profile:

Interactive Charting Outcomes in the Match - The Match, National Resident Matching Program

NRMP is pleased to make available a data tool to assist Match applicants in determining their goodness of fit for specialties. Interactive Charting Outcomes in the Match has been built using data visualization software and draws from the same data sources as the NRMP’s publication Charting...

www.nrmp.org

 

[Chibucks15]

I'm just sticking to around what the interactive nrmp data says to match ~100% with my profile:

Interactive Charting Outcomes in the Match - The Match, National Resident Matching Program

NRMP is pleased to make available a data tool to assist Match applicants in determining their goodness of fit for specialties. Interactive Charting Outcomes in the Match has been built using data visualization software and draws from the same data sources as the NRMP’s publication Charting...

www.nrmp.org

I'd add a couple to that number if you can. I have a few more than that because of uncertainty

 

[DerpyNeuroMD]

I'd add a couple to that number if you can. I have a few more than that because of uncertainty

With the merger, the greatly increased number of applicants per program, and the likelihood that most programs aren't interviewing more applicants per spot, my first thought is the relative value of an interview this year is greater (if not much greater) than prior years, especially for US MD grads. I think IMGs and DOs are going to get poned this year.

That said, I agree, and probably so do all the other people hoarding interviews, because it's fuzzy as heck

 

[BlueBleck]

With the merger, the greatly increased number of applicants per program, and the likelihood that most programs aren't interviewing more applicants per spot, my first thought is the relative value of an interview this year is greater (if not much greater) than prior years, especially for US MD grads. I think IMGs and DOs are going to get poned this year.

That said, I agree, and probably so do all the other people hoarding interviews, because it's fuzzy as heck

Possible, for sure, but anecdotally, me and my neuro classmates have started to cancel interviews. On the spreadsheet chat, low/zero II people mostly seem to be IMGs.

I know there is a lot out there right now about the number of interviews people should be doing and if it differs from the "safe" number from previous years. Decided to see what my future (hopefully) neuro colleagues had to say about this. What number of neurology interviews do you believe is safe this year before you can start cancelling?

23X DO no red flags. Hard limit 15. At 14. Cancelled/declined 2 from 60 apps. I started to feel comfortable with 10 IIs given my app.

 

[bowler_13]

Possible, for sure, but anecdotally, me and my neuro classmates have started to cancel interviews. On the spreadsheet chat, low/zero II people mostly seem to be IMGs.



23X DO no red flags. Hard limit 15. At 14. Cancelled/declined 2 from 60 apps. I started to feel comfortable with 10 IIs given my app.

I'm a US-IMG. 23X, 24X. Currently at 13 neuro and 2 prelim. How many more neuro should I be hoping for before I can feel comfortable?

 

[Ibn Alnafis MD]

I'm a US-IMG. 23X, 24X. Currently at 13 neuro and 2 prelim. How many more neuro should I be hoping for before I can feel comfortable?

Zero assuming no red flags in your application

 

[bowler_13]

Zero assuming no red flags in your application

Don't think I have any red flags (other than being an IMG - if that is one). How many more would you say are needed with a red flag otherwise?

 

[Thama]

Don't think I have any red flags (other than being an IMG - if that is one). How many more would you say are needed with a red flag otherwise?

IMG is a mixed bag - IMG from where? England? Canada? India? The 374th ranked for-profit school in the Caribbean? If the latter or similar, then you probably want to shoot for 1.5-2x the number of invites that AMGs are shooting for.

 

[bowler_13]

IMG is a mixed bag - IMG from where? England? Canada? India? The 374th ranked for-profit school in the Caribbean? If the latter or similar, then you probably want to shoot for 1.5-2x the number of invites that AMGs are shooting for.

SGU (carib). US-IMG so I don't need a visa

 

[Thama]

SGU (carib). US-IMG so I don't need a visa

You're probably OK where you are coming from a well-recognized caribbean school and with pretty good step scores. Maybe take 15 to be safe, but might be overkill.