Neuropsychology Specific -- Hour Requirements!

[deleted1019057]

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Hi All,

I am not going to provide my own data here, but I have seen vast differences in what is considered competitive for neuropsychology internships. Similarly, I have heard sites putting emphasis on different parts of ones hours.

For those in hospitals/academic medical centers/VA's, I would extremely appreciate the following:
1. average face-face hours (both intervention + assessment)
2. Assessment-only hours
3. # of integrated reports

In light of COVID-19, I thought this might be helpful, seeing as our expectations around this may have to shift. Any input is greatly appreciated. I am not looking for specific site names, rather general guidelines.

 

[MidWestLass]

Hi All,

I am not going to provide my own data here, but I have seen vast differences in what is considered competitive for neuropsychology internships. Similarly, I have heard sites putting emphasis on different parts of ones hours.

For those in hospitals/academic medical centers/VA's, I would extremely appreciate the following:
1. average face-face hours (both intervention + assessment)
2. Assessment-only hours
3. # of integrated reports

In light of COVID-19, I thought this might be helpful, seeing as our expectations around this may have to shift. Any input is greatly appreciated. I am not looking for specific site names, rather general guidelines.

Why not provide helpful data that you're asking everybody else to contribute?

 

[deleted1019057]

Why not provide helpful data that you're asking everybody else to contribute?

Hi MidwestLass,

I am a student seeking advice. I don't think it is necessary (or quite frankly healthy/supportive) for students to air all of the details of their applications out here. I have been weary of these forums, as I would hope guidelines could be provided without students oversharing.

 

[PsyDuck90]

Hi MidwestLass,

I am a student seeking advice. I don't think it is necessary (or quite frankly healthy/supportive) for students to air all of the details of their applications out here. I have been weary of these forums, as I would hope guidelines could be provided without students oversharing.

The individual listings on the APPIC directory for internship sites have all their stats for cohorts in the last few years. The brochures do as well. While things may change for the coming year or 2, I think that's a pretty good place to start. It's probably hard for internship directors to anticipate what kind of stats the incoming applicant pool will have.

 

[MidWestLass]

Hi MidwestLass,

I am a student seeking advice. I don't think it is necessary (or quite frankly healthy/supportive) for students to air all of the details of their applications out here. I have been weary of these forums, as I would hope guidelines could be provided without students oversharing.

My apologies, ferrismo. I misunderstood your original post.

 

[AcceptingUncertainty]

Hi All,

I am not going to provide my own data here, but I have seen vast differences in what is considered competitive for neuropsychology internships. Similarly, I have heard sites putting emphasis on different parts of ones hours.

For those in hospitals/academic medical centers/VA's, I would extremely appreciate the following:
1. average face-face hours (both intervention + assessment)
2. Assessment-only hours
3. # of integrated reports

In light of COVID-19, I thought this might be helpful, seeing as our expectations around this may have to shift. Any input is greatly appreciated. I am not looking for specific site names, rather general guidelines.

For AMCs, competitive applicants (i.e., ones that get invited to Ivy-/public Ivy-affiliated sites often have close to 1,000 and often more F2F hours in total, with usually a 70/30 assessment/intervention split, and usually close to 100 integrated + neuropsych reports. On top of that, they typically have 9-12 peer-reviewed pubs, and it varies the proportion that's first-authored. And many other factors come into play: type of populations assessed, research/clinical interests and more importantly fit...

 

[HeftyLefty]

For AMCs, competitive applicants (i.e., ones that get invited to Ivy-/public Ivy-affiliated sites often have close to 1,000 and often more F2F hours in total, with usually a 70/30 assessment/intervention split, and usually close to 100 integrated + neuropsych reports. On top of that, they typically have 9-12 peer-reviewed pubs, and it varies the proportion that's first-authored. And many other factors come into play: type of populations assessed, research/clinical interests and more importantly fit...

A prime example of why to be weary of info on this site is this response.

 

[WisNeuro]

A prime example of why to be weary of info on this site is this response.

For some of the very top tier neuropsych sites with a top notch research, the post is not far off. However, we're looking at maybe the top 5% of neuro specific slots, so not very representative of the majority, even the majority of what would be considered top sites.

Honestly though, I wouldn't focus on hours much after you've gotten a decent amount past a site's minimum. After someone reaches a threshold, I don't care how many hours that person has if the quality of those hours sucked. Furthermore, someone can have 2000 assessment hours, but if they have zero or minimal, or worse yet Amen clinic research experience, their application will get canned anyway. We still want to see well-rounded people at most sites.

 

[DynamicDidactic]

A prime example of why to be weary of info on this site is this response.

I thought that person was being sarcastic. Double digit pubs and over 1K f2f hours. That is def not a site I'd want to be doing internship, if such a site actually exists. At that point, I'd be skeptical about the role someone played on each pub and the quality of those f2f hours.

 

[WisNeuro]

I thought that person was being sarcastic. Double digit pubs and over 1K f2f hours. That is def not a site I'd want to be doing internship, if such a site actually exists. At that point, I'd be skeptical about the role someone played on each pub and the quality of those f2f hours.

Oh, these sites exist, they are just not very plentiful, nor should they be as they generally cater to a pretty narrow demo. Also, for us neurospecific people, ~1k F2F hours between intervention and assessment was pretty easy to attain. Particularly if you had more than a year at neuropsych pracs.

 

[AcronymAllergy]

Probably the most common cut-off for assessment hours I've seen, when there is one, is 400-500 hours. If I had to hazard a guess for average # of integrative reports for neuropsych track/focused internships, I'd say a few dozen (with a very wide SD). With the caveat that it's been a few years since I've selected interns for neuropsych-focused spots.

Edit: And I agree with the above, 9-12 pubs is a lot for anything other than a handful of internships.

 

[str63]

It's hard to answer this question because once someone has met a certain threshold, having more hours doesn't really matter. I might favor an applicant who has 600 assessment hours that are made up from 2 great neuropsych sites than someone who has 800 hours from one neuropsych site that didn't have much variety. Or more simply said, more hours and more reports does not make for a more competitive applicant as there are other factors we consider.

 

[Therapist4Chnge]

Edit: And I agree with the above, 9-12 pubs is a lot for anything other than a handful of internships.

Agreed.

Brown, MUSC, certain rotations w the Boston Consortium (not sure what they call it now), UCSD, and a few others.

 

[thebalmofhurtminds]

Agreed.

Brown, MUSC, certain rotations w the Boston Consortium (not sure what they call it now), UCSD, and a few others.

I've had cohortmates match to both Brown and MUSC with ~5 pubs. So it's not like 9-12 is some sort of hard rule.

 

[futureapppsy2]

I've had cohortmates match to both Brown and MUSC with ~5 pubs. So it's not like 9-12 is some sort of hard rule.

I agree. No site has 9-12 as a minimum to be competitive, although those "super publishers" tend to cluster at certain sites.