New ASCP RISE fellowship and job market survey

[zao275]

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The new survey was just posted today:

http://www.ascp.org/MainMenu/residents/2011-Fellowship-Job-Market-Surveys.aspx

 

[Enkidu]

Not too inspiring. Looks like close to a quarter of hemepath and transfusion fellows didn't get a single offer.

What do you guys think about doing neuropath after neurology? Maybe it's a little safer?

 

[twentyone]

Thanks for the link. I call BS on one thing tho- look at page 11 and see that 16% of respondents were getting >250K starting salary for academic institutions. This is supposed to be PGY3/4, so first job right out of residency with no fellowship and 250+? Sure.

 

[KeratinPearls]

As noted previously, 112 residents formally applied for
job openings in 2011. The largest group of resident
applicants (42%) received a single employment offer,
but a similar number (39%) failed to receive any offer.
About one-fifth of residents received multiple offerings.

 

[pathstudent]

I found the conclusion that forensics, transfusion, and hemAtology have different starting salaries funny. That is only with noting if you have no clue at all how reimbursement works. Autopsies aren't reimbursed by Medicare or insurance so you can't bill anyone unless a private family or other entity is willing to pay fee for service for one (rare). Transfusion medicine is very managerial with limited compensation by Medicare and insurance. Hematology is pure CPt code billing and a lucrative tc component. How the hell could they have similar starting salaries?

 

[scienceguy19]

This survey is more accurate than the misleading CAP survey, which is only surveying a small sample of the pathologists. As I said in previous forums, it's misleading to state that 100% of graduates get jobs.
In fact, ASCP states that
22% of hematopathology fellows had 0 job offers
25% of transfusion medicine fellows had 0 job offers

This pathology oversupply situation has been going on for so many years. When are we going to take this evidence seriously?? I'm tired of people predicting a rosy future that demand will outpace supply. Do we have to wait until 40% are unemployed until something changes?

 

[ilovepath]

I have a question about the data from careers in medicine-------they claim the # of pathologists actually is below 1996 levels, thus adjusted for population there is a significant decrease in pathologists. Is this bs? Check out CIM for population statistics.

 

[KCShaw]

Doesn't seem to capture many of the fellows. In 2010 only 79 non-PGY 1-4's responded, assumed to be fellows, vs 449 first time test takers for the boarded fellowship exams in 2010 (which only included BB/TM, cytopath, derm, forensic, and heme -- not fellows taking neuro, peds, molecular, micro..or any of the selectives). This seems to be more or less consistent (or fewer fellows) over the years of the survey. Not sure why that is.

 

[pathstudent]

I wouldn't place too much emphasis on this survey. It is a whack cohort, residents with no fellowships vs hemepaths vs transfusion med vs forensics.

I also dont believe that anyone earned over 250k right out of residency in academics. It takes a few years to get that