New California Schools' Naplex Passing Rates

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For the sake of comparison

USC 95.6%
Touro 97.8%
UCSD 97%
UCSF 91%
WesternU 97.6%
Loma Linda 90.3%
UOP 95%

Northstate 83%- this was the 8th school in CA.
 
steveysmith54 said:
Chapman 68.75%
West Coast 68.57%
KGI 75.81%
California Health Sciences University 75.41%


Oh yeah these new grads are real good for the profession. Real qualified students go there
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I believe none of these schools are accredited. In order to be accredited the first year has to pass 75 percent. We are talking Naplex here and not even CPJE. They all got greedy and started admitting lifetime wait listers. People with 2.75 gpa at a community college likely will not be passing the naplex easily. If I am a lawyer, I am salivating at the possible lawsuits.
 
If they can barely pass the NAPLEX, how will they the CPJE? It is amazing what 200k won't buy you these days. I feel bad for these students who made it through pharmacy school and will never work as pharmacists. When will the government turn off the student loans? Private lenders would cut these schools funding off with high default rates, hopefully the government will step in and do the same.
 
tlh908 said:
If they can barely pass the NAPLEX, how will they the CPJE? It is amazing what 200k won't buy you these days. I feel bad for these students who made it through pharmacy school and will never work as pharmacists. When will the government turn off the student loans? Private lenders would cut these schools funding off with high default rates, hopefully the government will step in and do the same.
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They will have enough experience to apply for a pharmacy technician job.
 
They can always pass the MPJE in other states.
 
April to September 2018 CJPE exam results

https://www.pharmacy.ca.gov/meetings/agendas/2018/18_oct_bd_xiv.pdf
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CJPE is not a real barrier. Those who can't pass NAPLEX aren't likely to take CJPE
 
MrBonita said:
one out of four will be career intern pharmacists.
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Employers will only let you be a graduate intern for so long if you can't pass NAPLEX or jurisprudence. Their time is limited.
 
Some school has got to become the example of failure. I would pick Hampton or Chicago but ACPE is going to have to grow some balls. ACPE should also make the PCAT mandatory because some schools do not require it and I believe it hurts the admissions because they compare prospective students evenly.
 
These pass rates should tell you everything you need to know about what the ACPE is willing to do, as they seem to be happy to let schools keep scoring in the sub-85 range with no consequences. There is no excuse for not being able to have 90% of your graduates be able to pass a minimum competency exam. This reeks of schools taking sub-par students and pushing them through the 3-4 years with zero concern for the end product, which is exactly what the ACPE is supposed to be preventing.
 
Chicago State
VA77 said:
Some school has got to become the example of failure. I would pick Hampton or Chicago but ACPE is going to have to grow some balls. ACPE should also make the PCAT mandatory because some schools do not require it and I believe it hurts the admissions because they compare prospective students evenly.
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Chicago State is going to nuke itself. They will run out of funding well before the ACPE intervenes.
 
VA77 said:
Some school has got to become the example of failure. I would pick Hampton or Chicago but ACPE is going to have to grow some balls. ACPE should also make the PCAT mandatory because some schools do not require it and I believe it hurts the admissions because they compare prospective students evenly.
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The PCAT doesn't mean jack**** though.
 
MrBonita said:
I believe none of these schools are accredited. In order to be accredited the first year has to pass 75 percent.
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No such criteria exists. And three of the four schools are fully accredited (only California Health Sciences University didn't reach full accreditation); the accreditation decision takes place immediately after the first class graduates, before the NAPLEX results are known.

The rates the OP posted aren't the ones that ACPE will eventually care about - they are much more interested in the pass rate amongst first time test takers (and not all test takers).

Those results (the column furthest on the right):
CHSU: 78.57%
Keck: 75.44%
Chapman: 71.23%
West Coast: 65.22%

CHSU...the only one who didn't get full accreditation...and the only for-profit school on the list...had the highest pass rate.
 
projektreverb said:
Chicago State


Chicago State is going to nuke itself. They will run out of funding well before the ACPE intervenes.
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They almost did a few years ago. They were a week or two from shutting down due to lack of money. They still have 350 million dollars in debt.

Northeastern Illinois University is another smaller public university in Chicago while not great has never had the same kind of problems. Until recently, they had similar enrollment numbers, now due to CSU's student population collapse is now much bigger.
 
Wonder what kind of value proposition qualified people are making up to justify going to a newer private school as opposed to USC/Western/UCSD (southern California) or UCSF/Touro/UoP (northern California).
 
Sine Cura said:
Wonder what kind of value proposition qualified people are making up to justify going to a newer private school as opposed to USC/Western/UCSD (southern California) or UCSF/Touro/UoP (northern California).
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“There’s no pharmacy school in Irvine/OC” - Chapman students

“I couldn’t get into USC and want to stay in LA”- West Coast University students

“I am interested in working in a drug company and my program is unique in that it has a certificate track for it” - Keck Graduate Institute students

“I just want to get into any pharmacy school and become a pharmacist” - California Northstate University / California Health Science University students
 
Sine Cura said:
April to September 2018 CJPE exam results

https://www.pharmacy.ca.gov/meetings/agendas/2018/18_oct_bd_xiv.pdf
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CJPE is not a real barrier. Those who can't pass NAPLEX aren't likely to take CJPE
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As someone else pointed out, numbers are a bit decieving. Looks like those who failed naplex didn’t even bother taking CPJE, ONLY 19 students from westcoast took CPJE, abt 50 students from KGI and Chapman took the exam. While it appears that the entire graduating classes from older schools take the exam.
 
Pharmacy is a Scam said:
“There’s no pharmacy school in Irvine/OC” - Chapman students

“I couldn’t get into USC and want to stay in LA”- West Coast University students

“I am interested in working in a drug company and my program is unique in that it has a certificate track for it” - Keck Graduate Institute students

“I just want to get into any pharmacy school and become a pharmacist” - California Northstate University / California Health Science University students
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You are making it more complicated.

"I just want to become a pharmacist and no other schools in CA will accept me. C's earned a degree. Amiright? /fish bump"

steveysmith54 said:
I think there is actually 13. Ketchum university isn’t on there.

I lost counting after 10 honestly
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Lol just like pills. I'll start counting school opening in CA by 10s now.
 
FROM School of Pharmacy – American University of Health Sciences

Please email Dr. Toby Spiegel, Associate Dean of Student Affairs and Admissions at [email protected] with your 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th choices for interview dates.
The School of Pharmacy will be holding interviews for the July 15, 2019 starting year.
Interviews will be held on the following days:

  • Monday, February 25th at 10am – 3pm
  • Friday, March 1st at 10am – 3pm
  • Monday, March 4th at 10am – 3pm
  • Friday, March 8th at 10am – 3pm
A complimentary lunch will be provided on each interview day.
 
steveysmith54 said:
FROM School of Pharmacy – American University of Health Sciences

Please email Dr. Toby Spiegel, Associate Dean of Student Affairs and Admissions at [email protected] with your 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th choices for interview dates.
The School of Pharmacy will be holding interviews for the July 15, 2019 starting year.
Interviews will be held on the following days:

  • Monday, February 25th at 10am – 3pm
  • Friday, March 1st at 10am – 3pm
  • Monday, March 4th at 10am – 3pm
  • Friday, March 8th at 10am – 3pm
A complimentary lunch will be provided on each interview day.
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Might be the biggest red herring I’ve ever seen. If I’m reading the website correctly, are these interviews for their Bachelor’s of Science in Pharmacy program? An obselete degree in this day and age?
 
Pharmacy is a Scam said:
Might be the biggest red herring I’ve ever seen. If I’m reading the website correctly, are these interviews for their Bachelor’s of Science in Pharmacy program? An obselete degree in this day and age?
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probably just a sloppy typo from an under paid marketing staff

PromethazineDM said:
You are making it more complicated.

"I just want to become a pharmacist and no other schools in CA will accept me. C's earned a degree. Amiright? /fish bump"


Lol just like pills. I'll start counting school opening in CA by 10s now.
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Why is everyone getting so butthurt over more schools in Cali? It's the free market. I hope they open up another 10. If the freemarket will support it via easy fed money who cares? It will correct once the full force of saturation hits cali and the pharmD real unemployment rate hits 15-20% with stagnant wages for the next two decades. Just let the system work its self out.
 
Modest_anteater said:
probably just a sloppy typo from an under paid marketing staff



Why is everyone getting so butthurt over more schools in Cali? It's the free market. I hope they open up another 10. If the freemarket will support it via easy fed money who cares? It will correct once the full force of saturation hits cali and the pharmD real unemployment rate hits 15-20% with stagnant wages for the next two decades. Just let the system work its self out.
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Fed money is related to the country I live in. I’m in that system and don’t want to be a part of your proposed 20% unemployed.
 
steveysmith54 said:
Yeah I wondered that too. But, it's def for pharmacy school (Pharm.D.).
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But the description right underneath the interview info is about their BS in pharmaceutical sciences program... Make it sounds like the interview is for the BS program. They do have the Pharm.D. program as well...

Each interview session only holds 20 students max. Wonder how many prospective students will just randomly email to sign up?
 
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Modest_anteater said:
probably just a sloppy typo from an under paid marketing staff



Why is everyone getting so butthurt over more schools in Cali? It's the free market. I hope they open up another 10. If the freemarket will support it via easy fed money who cares? It will correct once the full force of saturation hits cali and the pharmD real unemployment rate hits 15-20% with stagnant wages for the next two decades. Just let the system work its self out.
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You want your tax dollars to go towards the student loan bailouts?
 
mentos said:
You want your tax dollars to go towards the student loan bailouts?
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Also, yeah let make it that even the experienced, qualified, intelligent pharmacists can’t find a job. Better yet let’s put patients at risk bc their pharmacists are incompetent. Even better let’s take away requirement for pharmacists to even to go school, just take an exam and you can go work
 
steveysmith54 said:
Also, yeah let make it that even the experienced, qualified, intelligent pharmacists can’t find a job. Better yet let’s put patients at risk bc their pharmacists are incompetent. Even better let’s take away requirement for pharmacists to even to go school, just take an exam and you can go work
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CRPh will be the new title for pharmacists in the future.
 
zelman said:
Fed money is related to the country I live in. I’m in that system and don’t want to be a part of your proposed 20% unemployed.
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Then you only have yourself to blame for lack of forecasting skills. You can always go back to school for an indeamnd major like computer science or nursing.
mentos said:
You want your tax dollars to go towards the student loan bailouts?
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You think the US government is capable of bailing out students with $1.4 trillion of spare cash? You realize how incompetent our government is right? Our government is currently bankrupt and has been borrowing money. We have been borrowing money just to pay the interest on our loans for decades. Student loans won't get bailed out.
 
The barriers to entry for this profession are too low. With the proliferation of degree mills opening up in strip malls, anyone with a pulse and a SSN can qualify for federal student loans and become a pharmacist. Something as simple as making a bachelor's degree a prerequisite for pharmacy school admission would do wonders to improve the quality of new grads and the job market. It's frankly embarrassing that it's not already a prerequisite.
 
croquemonsieur said:
The barriers to entry for this profession are too low. With the proliferation of degree mills opening up in strip malls, anyone with a pulse and a SSN can qualify for federal student loans and become a pharmacist. Something as simple as making a bachelor's degree a prerequisite for pharmacy school admission would do wonders to improve the quality of new grads and the job market. It's frankly embarrassing that it's not already a prerequisite.
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I agree with the BS/BA requirement. One thing I have been looking at is when schools will stop requiring a SSN to get FED loans. I have not seen or heard of it yet but I imagine with the new student money drying up schools may attempt to get undocumented individuals to sign up for pharmacy school to get fed money. Not sure how feasible that would be though. I know some undocumented labors use other peoples SSN.
 
Modest_anteater said:
probably just a sloppy typo from an under paid marketing staff



Why is everyone getting so butthurt over more schools in Cali? It's the free market. I hope they open up another 10. If the freemarket will support it via easy fed money who cares? It will correct once the full force of saturation hits cali and the pharmD real unemployment rate hits 15-20% with stagnant wages for the next two decades. Just let the system work its self out.
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It's this kind of thinking that our profession is going down the toilet. Pharmacists being passive. "F*ck you, I got mine"

The barrier to get into pharmacy is so low. Look at the Naplex passing rate for the new school - 70%-75%. Anyone with a pulse can get a student loan. And if they default on it, the working people will somehow pay for it not to mention the public perception of DUMB pharmacist.

The influx of pharmacist would mean wage stagnation or decrease and possibly your job be easily replace. Did you know that students also go to out of state and go back, foreign graduate pharmacist program, attend online school in addition to the huge number of in state pharmacy programs?

Once employment hit 20%, employers will realize there are plenty of pharmacists willing to work for cheap. It will be a game of how low will pharmacists willing to work and under what kind of condition. Will it be $40/hr? how about 30/hr? How about $xx/hr part time status with no benefits. It's already happening and it's going to get worst.

I have a union job in a hospital with high sorority and I still care about our profession and prospective students. I don't think anyone deserve to be a work slave with huge debt burden and deteriorating conditions. If you don't care about your profession, at least care how it affect your bottom line.
 
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PromethazineDM said:
It's this kind of thinking that our profession is going down the toilet. Pharmacists being passive. "F*ck you, I got mine"

The barrier to get into pharmacy is so low. Look at the Naplex passing rate for the new school - 70%-75%. Anyone with a pulse can get a student loan. And if they default on it, the working people will somehow pay for it not to mention the public perception of pharmacist
The influx of pharmacist would mean wage stagnation or decrease and possibly your job be easily replace. Did you know that students also go to out of state and go back, foreign graduate pharmacist program, attend online school in addition to the huge number of in state pharmacy programs?

Once employment hit 20%, employers will realize there are plenty of pharmacists willing for cheap. It will be a game of how low will pharmacists willing to work and under what kind of condition.

I have a union job in a hospital with high sorority and I still care about our profession. If you don't care about your profession, at least care about your bottom line.
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I care deeply about the profession. That is why I want more saturation. It WILL lower pay and make working conditions more complicated meaning only people that actually CARE about pharmacy and helping people will remain. All those cold people just in it for money will quickly leave which I think ultimately is good for patient care.
 
projektreverb said:
Are we going to go into the same old discussion about how you’re willing to work for 1$ a day and half eaten cookie, and a benefits package of half eaten nachos?
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No, I would not work for a dollar a day. You are misrepresenting my argument as hyperbole in order to make it easy to disqualify. You realize trolling is against the rules, right?
 
Modest_anteater said:
I care deeply about the profession. That is why I want more saturation. It WILL lower pay and make working conditions more complicated meaning only people that actually CARE about pharmacy and helping people will remain. All those cold people just in it for money will quickly leave which I think ultimately is good for patient care.
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That's a dumb argument. Try convincing doctors to spent years in school, facing uncertainty in the job market with saturation, incur huge debts and working for less than market rate just so because they care about helping people.
 
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