New Pharmacy ADI Stats

[VA77]

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The new quarter of ADI is out. Hawaii and Illinois lead the worst states at 2.00 and 2.25. Mississippi looking strong at 4.00

 

[steveysmith54]

According to the new data, California has higher demand than Arizona, Nevada, New Mexico, and Washington just to name a few... if this is true, I did not see it coming... let's see what they say when KGI, chapman, west coast, Fresno, and Ketchum join the party

 

[steveysmith54]

To me, numbers just don't add up. I am not seeing enough job listings in California compared to years prior to believe the 3.5 ADI that's reported

 

[VA77]

NJ,PA, and CT really surprised me. Where are those numbers coming from? Since API is funded by AACP you have to realize they want this to look as good as possible to recruit more mone...I mean students. I just like looking at it the same way I look at the National Enquirer, fun but not factual.

 

[Amicable Angora]

The moment PA had an in demand indicator I knew there was something questionable about the map. Pennsylvania has to be one of the most saturated pharmacy states in the country.

 

[gwarm01]

Demand has increased from last year according to this. Hmm. Not sure if I believe it. They don't disclose how they get these numbers, do they?

 

[Jbrl]

Interesting.

Demand has increased from last year according to this. Hmm. Not sure if I believe it. They don't disclose how they get these numbers, do they?

"The PDI includes ratings from panelists on the demand for pharmacists that are considered a) staff or generalist pharmacists, b) managers or managerial pharmacists, and c) specialized (such as critical care, informatics, MTM, nuclear, etc.) pharmacists."

2016 demand by region:
NE 2.33
MW 3.06
W 3.22
S 3.12

2017 demand by region:
NE 3.17 (wow)
MW 3.07
W 3.24
S 3.13

I guess there's a few questions here - we don't really know 1. their sampling methods 2. how they defined terminology, such as demand 3. how they asked the questions.

Excepting the NE outlier, I'd hazard demand has virtually remained constant because of the chains' 32h week and under model for staff pharmacists. Same #, less hours. No clue what's going on in the NE...

Some data massaging wouldn't be out of the question, given the article that was written-then-deleted-then-replaced regarding last year's ominous data trends on pharmacytimes.

 

[quickpic007]

According to the new data, California has higher demand than Arizona, Nevada, New Mexico, and Washington just to name a few... if this is true, I did not see it coming... let's see what they say when KGI, chapman, west coast, Fresno, and Ketchum join the party

Easy to make 220 plus in cen-cal and redding north. No surprise if PHX is finally filling up, probably the easiest mega-city to get a job in save Detroit.

NJ,PA, and CT really surprised me. Where are those numbers coming from? Since API is funded by AACP you have to realize they want this to look as good as possible to recruit more mone...I mean students. I just like looking at it the same way I look at the National Enquirer, fun but not factual.

I hear PA outside of philly is jobs galore. I reckon theres high taxes bad weather and nothing going on there.

 

[lord999]

These are all "expert panels" which are as "expert" as pharmacists are, which is not very. These numbers are more or less if you polled this forum, what's the job market like, although, if you have time to fill out the survey, you certainly have too much time on your hands.

 

[Digsbe]

Easy to make 220 plus in cen-cal and redding north. No surprise if PHX is finally filling up, probably the easiest mega-city to get a job in save Detroit.

I hear PA outside of philly is jobs galore. I reckon theres high taxes bad weather and nothing going on there.

Living in Maryland people view PA as a Tax haven here. It's becoming more common for people to commute from there down here. I wouldn't mind PA taxes over MD taxes.

 

[WVUPharm2007]

People in this thread think California is a thin, 20 mile strip along the Pacific from San Diego to SF and nothing else. And Pennsylvania is just Philly, Pittsburgh, Bucks County, Montgomery County, and Delco.

I could get you a job tomorrow in York, PA. Or an hour North of Harrisburg, PA. You prolly just don't want to live there.

I imagine California is similar once you get out of the major metros.

Also...less jobs for specialists than generalists...lmao.

 

[awval999]

People in this thread think California is a thin, 20 mile strip along the Pacific from San Diego to SF and nothing else. And Pennsylvania is just Philly, Pittsburgh, Bucks County, Montgomery County, and Delco.

I could get you a job tomorrow in York, PA. Or an hour North of Harrisburg, PA. You prolly just don't want to live there.

I imagine California is similar once you get out of the major metros.

Also...less jobs for specialists than generalists...lmao.

It's this. It's always been this (at least for the past several years).

The jobs are in the rural areas. And states are more than their largest metro.

 

[gwarm01]

I for one am shocked that the non-reimbursable clinical specialists are in lower demand than drug dispensing pharmacists. Maybe if we expand the technicians role in verification/dispensing we can finally open up these new clinical pharmacy markets.

 

[npage148]

I could get you a job tomorrow in York, PA. Or an hour North of Harrisburg, PA. You prolly just don't want to live there

I used to visit my grandmother in lock haven. I could almost see that area as an ok place to live. But other places that likely need pharmacists like Bradford and warren, I'd need a lot move convincing

 

[WVUPharm2007]

I for one am shocked that the non-reimbursable clinical specialists are in lower demand than drug dispensing pharmacists. Maybe if we expand the technicians role in verification/dispensing we can finally open up these new clinical pharmacy markets.

You mean those pharmacy professors were talking out of their asses when they told me that I'd have more job security with a residency than actual work experience? You don't say. Who knew the country wouldn't need over a hundred flipping ID specialists pumped out every year.

 

[gwarm01]

You mean those pharmacy professors were talking out of their asses when they told me that I'd have more job security with a residency than actual work experience? You don't say. Who knew the country wouldn't need over a hundred flipping ID specialists pumped out every year.

But psychiatric pharmacy is my passion.

*Completes PGY2 then gets an evening staffing job at rural hospital. Has bad attitude.*

 

[WVUPharm2007]

I was just spitballing numbers...I looked it up...there actually are almost 100 PGY2 infectious disease residency programs in the country. 92 to be exact. Like, I intended that to be exaggerating for exaggeration's sake...but...no...they actually pump out that many. I'm kind of amazed. It never ceases to amaze me how they spend so much time promoting and preparing their students for a segment of the pharmacy market that the vast majority of their students won't participate in.

I'll just stop now, the world doesn't need another one of my rants about how stupid academia is.

 

[rxdawg21]

I was just spitballing numbers...I looked it up...there actually are almost 100 PGY2 infectious disease residency programs in the country. 92 to be exact. Like, I intended that to be exaggerating for exaggeration's sake...but...no...they actually pump out that many. I'm kind of amazed. It never ceases to amaze me how they spend so much time promoting and preparing their students for a segment of the pharmacy market that the vast majority of their students won't participate in.

I'll just stop now, the world doesn't need another one of my rants about how stupid academia is.

So 2 per state per year. How many years until there are literally no ID jobs left? Crazy

 

[PolarPop]

I was just spitballing numbers...I looked it up...there actually are almost 100 PGY2 infectious disease residency programs in the country. 92 to be exact. Like, I intended that to be exaggerating for exaggeration's sake...but...no...they actually pump out that many. I'm kind of amazed. It never ceases to amaze me how they spend so much time promoting and preparing their students for a segment of the pharmacy market that the vast majority of their students won't participate in.

I'll just stop now, the world doesn't need another one of my rants about how stupid academia is.

ID is actually a bad example. With the new joint commission standards it's mandatory now for every hospital to have a pharmacist assigned to stewardship/ID. It seems like it has been pretty easy for hospitals to establish a new position or add another position to satisfy the requirements so a lot of places have been hiring over the last couple of years. That will dry up though eventually especially as more hospitals keep adding more ID PGY2s for cheap labor.

 

[BidingMyTime]

. With the new joint commission standards it's mandatory now for every hospital to have a pharmacist assigned to stewardship/ID.

Smaller hospitals are still not going to have a full-time ID person. They will just assign it to one of the regular pharmacists (as if we don't have enough committees and JCAHO assignments to worry about. Sure when these hospitals are hiring, they will be happy to pick the PGY2 ID specialist for their staff position. Will the PGY2 ID specialist be happy working as a regular staff in a small pharmacy in the middle of nowhere?

 

[BidingMyTime]

I'm not surprised that Illinois is one of the worst states for pharmacy demand. 6 COP's, with FIVE of them being'in Chicago have made it a hirer's market. Especially when 90% of their graduates want to stay in Chicago (including the students who go SIUE the one pharmacy school not in Chicago.)