New Sticky?

[Anasazi23]

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Hi psychiatry folks,

I'm thinking of creating a new psychiatry sticky...something akin to "Psychiatry FAQs" or 101+ Questions about psychiatry answered.

What do you all think? Would you be willing to contribute?

 

[OldPsychDoc]

Hi psychiatry folks,

I'm thinking of creating a new psychiatry sticky...something akin to "Psychiatry FAQs" or 101+ Questions about psychiatry answered.

What do you all think? Would you be willing to contribute?

Perhaps this thread could discuss what topics ought to be in such a thread--before the inevitable digressions into psychologist prescribing, psychoanalysis, and IMGs take over.

What were you thinking of including?

 

[Poety]

Hi psychiatry folks,

I'm thinking of creating a new psychiatry sticky...something akin to "Psychiatry FAQs" or 101+ Questions about psychiatry answered.

What do you all think? Would you be willing to contribute?

Yeah, I'll contribute, as psych forum mascot, and my need to post on every thread in this forum, I'll definitely add We lost Mosche though - or his partner, we lost one or both of them

 

[Anasazi23]

Perhaps this thread could discuss what topics ought to be in such a thread--before the inevitable digressions into psychologist prescribing, psychoanalysis, and IMGs take over.

What were you thinking of including?

I had exactly this thought in mind, OPD, in terms of this being the 'pilot' thread. I'll have to take the liberty of ixnaying any and all posts related to these topics. I was thinking of undertaking the endeavor myself, but would really like to have contributions primarily from the psychiatrists and psychiatrists-in-training from this forum.

Topics could include:
--What is a psychiatry residency like? Do I have to do a year of medicine?
--What kind of salary does a psychiatrist make?
--Describe a typical day in the life of an academic/hospitalist/private practice psychologist.
--I have my first psychiatry journal club presentation in two weeks! What do I do?!
--What are some useful psychiatry links?
--Maybe ONE post on "What is the difference between a psychiatrist and a psychologist? If the post becomes argumentative (who knows more than who, who is unethical for practicing therapy) and other such nonsense, only the most relevant information will remain in one concise post.

How does that sound?

 

[Anasazi23]

P.S. I must insist that Poety change this asymmetrical eyelid character back to the CN. It's causing the server to slow down.

 

[Solideliquid]

P.S. I must insist that Poety change this asymmetrical eyelid character back to the CN. It's causing the server to slow down.

Good thing I wasn't drinking.

 

[Poety]

P.S. I must insist that Poety change this asymmetrical eyelid character back to the CN. It's causing the server to slow down.

I'm trying to remain anonymous, which I am not with my ragamuffin showing dammit. 😱 She is model material ya know <rolls eyes like you don't even "get it"> 😛 I'm readily identifiable by her memorable, adorable face duh 🙄

Anyway, I'll contribute on this thread:

www.psych.org since I'm not allowed to talk about anything on here since I'm not a resident yet, I thought I'd add the link pffffttttt

P.S. He is not asymmetrical, this is CHRIS MARTIN not THOM YORKE argghh 🙄 😎 😳

 

[Doc Samson]

I had exactly this thought in mind, OPD, in terms of this being the 'pilot' thread. I'll have to take the liberty of ixnaying any and all posts related to these topics. I was thinking of undertaking the endeavor myself, but would really like to have contributions primarily from the psychiatrists and psychiatrists-in-training from this forum.

Topics could include:
--What is a psychiatry residency like? Do I have to do a year of medicine?
--What kind of salary does a psychiatrist make?
--Describe a typical day in the life of an academic/hospitalist/private practice psychologist.
--I have my first psychiatry journal club presentation in two weeks! What do I do?!
--What are some useful psychiatry links?
--Maybe ONE post on "What is the difference between a psychiatrist and a psychologist? If the post becomes argumentative (who knows more than who, who is unethical for practicing therapy) and other such nonsense, only the most relevant information will remain in one concise post.

How does that sound?

I'm in... though if we're having one post on the differences between psychiatry and psychology, maybe we could have on on my pet topic of the differences of psychoanalysis and psychodynamic psychotherapy 😛

 

[Anasazi23]

Good to have you on board, Doc Samson. A post on the differences between these therapeutic approaches would be great. We can get it started soon. Start saving some stuff on your Wordpads.
🙂

 

[nortomaso]

I'm in... though if we're having one post on the differences between psychiatry and psychology, maybe we could have on on my pet topic of the differences of psychoanalysis and psychodynamic psychotherapy 😛

I think that would be great. Here are some questions I have on the topic in addition to the general differences between psychoanalysis and psychodynamic psychotherapy:

1) a) Is psychodynamic psychotherapy best thought of as a specific type of intervention such as exposure therapy, cognitive therapy, EMDR, ECT, clozaril, etc OR b) is it best characterized as a "way of thinking about the human psyche"

2) If a) from question 1, then for which patients is it most useful? what is the evidence for this usefulness? and in the absence of current evidence, why is its use justified, when other modalities are proven to be effective for those patients? If b) can some of you share vignettes about how this way of thinking has helped you treat a patient?

3) Is psychodynamic psychotherapy harder (and/or more time consuming) to learn than othey types of psychotherapy? If so, how is this extra effort justified given an explosion of empirically validated psychotherapies? I don't see many programs teaching EMDR or mindfulness. And even DBT, which has a pretty extensive evidence base, is only taught by a handful of programs.

4) How uniform is "psychodynamic psychotherapy"? That is, are we even all talking about the same thing or does every department have its own variant? If so what are the core, unchanging elements?

5) UCSF now has didactics entitled "evidence-based" psychodynamic psychotherapy. Peter Fogarty has developed his own "evidence-based" psychodynamic psychotherapy, so has Jacques Barber. What sets these apart?

6) Why is psychodynamic psychotherapy so prominent in psychiatric training (to the point that the ACGME lists "competency" in it as a requirement), whereas is it is absent from the vast majority of psychology training programs? This seems odd given that psychologists only therapeutic tool is psychotherapy.

 

[Doc Samson]

I think that would be great. Here are some questions I have on the topic in addition to the general differences between psychoanalysis and psychodynamic psychotherapy:

1) a) Is psychodynamic psychotherapy best thought of as a specific type of intervention such as exposure therapy, cognitive therapy, EMDR, ECT, clozaril, etc OR b) is it best characterized as a "way of thinking about the human psyche"

2) If a) from question 1, then for which patients is it most useful? what is the evidence for this usefulness? and in the absence of current evidence, why is its use justified, when other modalities are proven to be effective for those patients? If b) can some of you share vignettes about how this way of thinking has helped you treat a patient?

3) Is psychodynamic psychotherapy harder (and/or more time consuming) to learn than othey types of psychotherapy? If so, how is this extra effort justified given an explosion of empirically validated psychotherapies? I don't see many programs teaching EMDR or mindfulness. And even DBT, which has a pretty extensive evidence base, is only taught by a handful of programs.

4) How uniform is "psychodynamic psychotherapy"? That is, are we even all talking about the same thing or does every department have its own variant? If so what are the core, unchanging elements?

5) UCSF now has didactics entitled "evidence-based" psychodynamic psychotherapy. Peter Fogarty has developed his own "evidence-based" psychodynamic psychotherapy, so has Jacques Barber. What sets these apart?

6) Why is psychodynamic psychotherapy so prominent in psychiatric training (to the point that the ACGME lists "competency" in it as a requirement), whereas is it is absent from the vast majority of psychology training programs? This seems odd given that psychologists only therapeutic tool is psychotherapy.

Holy thesis Batman! I don't know that:

a) I have time to write well-thought out, referenced answers to all of those questions
b) I'm qualified to do so, or
c) that it really fits in with Sazi's idea of a psychiatry FAQ sticky

But, if I get round, to it, maybe I could start another thread to deal with the finer points. One thing I would emphasize is that I also disagree with programs teaching only one therapeutic modality. I would have felt cheated if I weren't leaving residency knowing the basics of CBT and DBT as well as psychodynamics.

 

[Anasazi23]

Indeed. These are great questions, and I certainly hope Doc S. can take a stab at them. They are, however, a little too detailed on what I envision to be the psychiatry FAQ. A simplified version playing on the same theme, however, would be helpful.

👍

 

[Anasazi23]

Can someone tackle a "psychiatrist salaries" FAQ? Links to the sources would be helpful.

 

[Hurricane]

Nice job with the FAQ. For the psychiatrist vs psychologist one, maybe you should add a brief sentence that says that in some states psychologists are able to prescribe medications under certain conditions, and that it's a controversial issue, so please don't use this thread to debate the merits for or against, and instead use the handy-dandy search feature to find more info...

To nip it in the bud, so to speak 🙂

 

[Anasazi23]

Nice thought, but ....nah.

We're speaking in general terms here. 2/50 states isn't enough to be a general term in my book. It'll be decades if and when it ever becomes more mainstream. 😉

I know psychiatrists that use some psych testing...but it isn't mainstream, and not worth mentioning, I think.

 

[Anasazi23]

Anyone willing to try their hand at a good "psychiatrist salaries post" for the FAQ sticky? References would help.

😀

 

[silas2642]

Hi psychiatry folks,

I'm thinking of creating a new psychiatry sticky...something akin to "Psychiatry FAQs" or 101+ Questions about psychiatry answered.

What do you all think? Would you be willing to contribute?

I'm going to be a first year medical student this coming fall and I am extremely interested in pursuing psychiatry. I'd love for a stiicky on this field to be started: I know that I want to know more about

- what kind of board scores are necessary to get the residency of your choice
- when doing electives, do you want to do psych electives, or do you choose different fields to gain diversity in clinical experience?
- during your first years, should you ask professors/mentors for letters of recommendation, or are these completely worthless?
- Since psychiatrists don't make all that much compared to other specialities, if you're in massive debt after medical school, is it still possible to pay off these loans in a reasonable amount of time?
- Are the staff in psych hospitals really as crazy as I think they are?
- do you guys really get to help people or is it just "treat em and street 'em?"

 

[Anasazi23]

I'm going to be a first year medical student this coming fall and I am extremely interested in pursuing psychiatry. I'd love for a stiicky on this field to be started: I know that I want to know more about

- what kind of board scores are necessary to get the residency of your choice
- when doing electives, do you want to do psych electives, or do you choose different fields to gain diversity in clinical experience?
- during your first years, should you ask professors/mentors for letters of recommendation, or are these completely worthless?
- Since psychiatrists don't make all that much compared to other specialities, if you're in massive debt after medical school, is it still possible to pay off these loans in a reasonable amount of time?
- Are the staff in psych hospitals really as crazy as I think they are?
- do you guys really get to help people or is it just "treat em and street 'em?"

Good questions....let's try to get them answered this week.

 

[OldPsychDoc]

Good questions....let's try to get them answered this week.

Danged nice job of doing it, too, Anasazi. 👍

 

[Anasazi23]

Danged nice job of doing it, too, Anasazi. 👍

Thanks OPD.

How about you take a stab at a question up there? I don't want to be the only poster on that thread. Doesn't have to be long or drawn out...think of a popular or relevent question, then answer your own question. heh

People could certainly benefit from your knowledge base.
🙂

 

[OldPsychDoc]

Thanks OPD.

How about you take a stab at a question up there? I don't want to be the only poster on that thread. Doesn't have to be long or drawn out...think of a popular or relevent question, then answer your own question. heh

People could certainly benefit from your knowledge base.
🙂

I'm workin' on it...I'm workin' on it....but it's not like I'm a resident or something with those long lonely quiet nights on call to sit around and think about this stuff... 😀

[Ducks and runs away]

 

[Anasazi23]

I'm workin' on it...I'm workin' on it....but it's not like I'm a resident or something with those long lonely quiet nights on call to sit around and think about this stuff... 😀

[Ducks and runs away]

Keep runnin'!