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[AlphaDoctor]

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I think you should enter Plan to Enroll at your Accepted school. You will be allowed to stay on your WLs. Look up the final date by which your A school requires you to Commit to Enroll.

Commit to enroll mid July. No plan to enroll requirement. I just don’t want my WLed school to think that I’m more interested in that school that the WL school (although I technically have to be considering I don’t have an A yet from the WL school lol)

 

[OchemOficionado]

Commit to enroll mid July. No plan to enroll requirement. I just don’t want my WLed school to think that I’m more interested in that school that the WL school (although I technically have to be considering I don’t have an A yet from the WL school lol)

You’re overthinking it. If you only have one accept after 4/30, per AAMC, then OF COURSE you “plan to enroll” there UNLESS you get a better offer that is. I don’t think your WL school will look that deeply into the matter. It’s a different story should you select CTE.

 

[scrapy]

Depends on Joe's stated reason(s).

Yea, Joe could be lying too. Just how it is. Having no acceptances is probably more favorable solely in terms of waitlist chances at one particular school

 

[Wasntmi]

You’re overthinking it. If you only have one accept after 4/30, per AAMC, then OF COURSE you “plan to enroll” there UNLESS you get a better offer that is. I don’t think your WL school will look that deeply into the matter. It’s a different story should you select CTE.

so everyone with 1 acceptance right now should "plan to enroll" before the deadline, and then this should not affect any waitlists?

 

[OchemOficionado]

so everyone with 1 acceptance right now should "plan to enroll" before the deadline, and then this should not affect any waitlists?

PTE is completely up to the applicant unless their specific school requires it (I've only seen one or two that do, but double check with yours). PTE has absolutely nothing to do with WLs.

 

[mseecu]

@OchemOficionado
Based on what do you say "PTE is completely up to the applicant"?

Between the following AMCAS sites, that (PTE to one school) seems to be the one minimal "must be done" by April 30.
https://students-residents.aamc.org...ation-and-acceptance-protocols-admission-off/
https://students-residents.aamc.org...icle/amcas-choosing-your-medical-school-tool/
https://students-residents.aamc.org...lication-and-acceptance-protocols-applicants/

 

[OchemOficionado]

@OchemOficionado
Based on what do you say "PTE is completely up to the applicant"?

Between the following AMCAS sites, that (PTE to one school) seems to be the one minimal "must be done" by April 30.
https://students-residents.aamc.org...ation-and-acceptance-protocols-admission-off/
https://students-residents.aamc.org...icle/amcas-choosing-your-medical-school-tool/
https://students-residents.aamc.org...lication-and-acceptance-protocols-applicants/

Based on the links you shared, actually.

The entire Choose Your Medical School tool is OPTIONAL unless your schools require it. Respectfully, where does it say otherwise on the links you shared?

 

[OchemOficionado]

Virtually all medical schools have policy or language similar to Tufts below. I warn all students, do not screw around the April 30th requirement. Schools are slightly paranoid this cycle making sure every seat is filled as the centralized National Acceptance reports has been discontinued . Every school reserves the right to rescind your acceptance by 1) holding more than 1 acceptance after April 30 via PTE (you can still hold waitlists) and 2) their required Commit to Enroll date usually 21-30 prior to orientation. (you must drop all WL). If they rescind your acceptance because you did not know and/or not follow their policy, you would have no legal recourse.

Yes, but I was talking about how the tool is optional unless required by the schools, not about keeping more than one acceptance after 4/30, that isn’t optional (whether students use the tool or not).

 

[NerdTheRaging]

In the past the waitlist movement doesn’t have immediately on the 1st but like a week or so after, do you think this new system will make movement occur earlier or later than before?

 

[AlphaDoctor]

In the past the waitlist movement doesn’t have immediately on the 1st but like a week or so after, do you think this new system will make movement occur earlier or later than before?

I saw movement immediately on the 30th lol

 

[onelastshot]

Would you guys say these new rules force schools to more rely on the waitlist to fill up their classes?

 

[gyngyn]

Would you guys say these new rules force schools to more rely on the waitlist to fill up their classes?

Absolutely.

 

[AlphaDoctor]

Absolutely.

Ahhh so we should expect significant movement towards the end of May through middle of June?

 

[907914]

Absolutely.

Obviously it will be school specific and applicant specific, but will this mean that only the superstars get ‘A’s early and everyone else just waits? Or do they still fill all of their seats initially, just with a larger waitlist?

 

[ak-aka-dak]

Would you guys say these new rules force schools to more rely on the waitlist to fill up their classes?

Absolutely.

That’s disappointing for those who have mid-June CTE deadlines and end up getting shut out of a school they may have had a good shot at on the waitlist.

 

[gyngyn]

Obviously it will be school specific and applicant specific, but will this mean that only the superstars get ‘A’s early and everyone else just waits? Or do they still fill all of their seats initially, just with a larger waitlist?

Although the degree to which any school has under-accepted will vary, everyone under-accepted to some degree (or thought they did).
This is accomplished by admitting a smaller number than usual to begin. Even if the same number was interviewed, the waitlist will therefore be longer.

 

[gyngyn]

Ahhh so we should expect significant movement towards the end of May through middle of June?

We're all just waiting for the early schools to begin enforcing their school policies to start the cascade.
So far, almost everyone is just waiting for that to happen.

Even the apparent "waitlist" action that has happened so far is more of a delayed primary acceptance.
Some schools really under-accepted and are attempting to correct for that now.

 

[onelastshot]

We're all just waiting for the early schools to begin enforcing their school policies to start the cascade.
So far, almost everyone is just waiting for that to happen.

Even the apparent "waitlist" action that has happened so far is more of a delayed primary acceptance.
Some schools really under-accepted and are attempting to correct for that now.

Do you or anyone know how to check if a school is under or normal-admitted? U of Minnesota Twin cities for example. Appreciate any insights!

 

[gyngyn]

Do you or anyone know how to check if a school is under or normal-admitted? U of Minnesota Twin cities for example. Appreciate any insights!

I only know what my colleagues have been sharing.

 

[907914]

I only know what my colleagues have been sharing.

Can you stage a whistleblower uprising?

 

[gyngyn]

Can you stage a whistleblower uprising?

On whom!

 

[907914]

On whom!

The man. The establishment. AAMC...The universities..? This isn’t a well thought out plan, but viva la revolution!

 

[gyngyn]

The man. The establishment. AAMC...The universities..? This isn’t a well thought out plan, but viva la revolution!

At this point...I am the man.

 

[965978]

At this point...I am the man.

Do you think that some schools have open seats but are not filling them now? Probably because they are waiting for the waitlist to “stabilize” because if waitlists are larger this year then the rate of withdrawals might be larger as well. So they don’t want to give acceptances to people who won’t take them.

 

[gyngyn]

Do you think that some schools have open seats but are not filling them now? Probably because they are waiting for the waitlist to “stabilize” because if waitlists are larger this year then the rate of withdrawals might be larger as well. So they don’t want to give acceptances to people who won’t take them.

They don't know if they have seats or not.
If they knew for sure, they would be filling them.

 

[5yewy5r]

We're all just waiting for the early schools to begin enforcing their school policies to start the cascade.
So far, almost everyone is just waiting for that to happen.

Even the apparent "waitlist" action that has happened so far is more of a delayed primary acceptance.
Some schools really under-accepted and are attempting to correct for that now.

By schools with “early” policies, do you mean early commit to enroll deadlines? Or do you think schools will begin to take some sort of action before then?

 

[gyngyn]

By schools with “early” policies, do you mean early commit to enroll deadlines? Or do you think schools will begin to take some sort of action before then?

Until early enforced CTE deadlines pass, I'm betting there won't be much action.

 

[confused2266]

Until early enforced CTE deadlines pass, I'm betting there won't be much action.

A lot of schools have CTE deadlines in July (around July 15th). Does this mean that major WL movement won't start until July? I'm wondering if that's the case because then schools will only be able to admit those who don't have any acceptances/have really really late CTE deadlines (because the majority of students will have already picked CTE). Also, this may be a stretch but do you know what's going on with UCLA? Their Dean of Admissions recently left and I don't think they've had any WL movement yet 🙁

 

[gyngyn]

A lot of schools have CTE deadlines in July (around July 15th). Does this mean that major WL movement won't start until July? I'm wondering if that's the case because then schools will only be able to admit those who don't have any acceptances/have really really late CTE deadlines (because the majority of students will have already picked CTE). Also, this may be a stretch but do you know what's going on with UCLA? Their Dean of Admissions recently left and I don't think they've had any WL movement yet 🙁

The major effect of the AAMC opacity changes will be a delay in the usual timing of offers off the waitlist.
Whether schools will choose to accept those who have already matriculated remains to be seen. There is no consensus on this from those I've talked to.
We have been asked not to make the change in leadership at UCLA into a public discussion and I will honor that request.

 

[AlphaDoctor]

The major effect of the AAMC opacity changes will be a delay in the usual timing of offers off the waitlist.
Whether schools will choose to accept those who have already matriculated remains to be seen. There is no consensus on this from those I've talked to.
We have been asked not to make the change in leadership at UCLA into a public discussion and I will honor that request.

Sooooo we should expect the most movement to happen after June 15th? That’s the first CTE deadline across most MD programs.

 

[965978]

I wish schools would start sending rejections to people who are at the bottom of their waitlist. That might stir some movement. It would also be merciful to those people.

 

[gyngyn]

I wish schools would start sending rejections to people who are at the bottom of their waitlist. That might stir some movement. It would also be merciful to those people.

We don't know where the bottom is...

 

[Med Ed]

Sooooo we should expect the most movement to happen after June 15th? That’s the first CTE deadline across most MD programs.

For us the Big Sort happened around the April 30 deadline. I'm not expecting much movement for the rest of the cycle.

 

[AlphaDoctor]

For us the Big Sort happened around the April 30 deadline. I'm not expecting much movement for the rest of the cycle.

Sounds like the opposite of what @gyngyn is saying. Both of my WL schools just released their first round of WL acceptances around last week. Decisions were announced on a single day, neither school has released waitlist decisions after that day.

 

[onelastshot]

For us the Big Sort happened around the April 30 deadline. I'm not expecting much movement for the rest of the cycle.

If not sure, you would be able to tell us your institution? TY

 

[Goro]

If not sure, you would be able to tell us your institution? TY

He could tell you, but then he'd have to reject you!

 

[965978]

For us the Big Sort happened around the April 30 deadline. I'm not expecting much movement for the rest of the cycle.

Med Ed.

Crushing dreams since 1967.

 

[AlphaDoctor]

Med Ed.

Crushing dreams since 1967.

Lol, it’s schools specific. I bet there are plenty of schools who have yet to get on with their WL movement. Look at gyngyn’s institution for example.

 

[Med Ed]

If not sure, you would be able to tell us your institution? TY

Sorry, no can do.

 

[Med Ed]

Sounds like the opposite of what @gyngyn is saying. Both of my WL schools just released their first round of WL acceptances around last week. Decisions were announced on a single day, neither school has released waitlist decisions after that day.

April 30 was less than two weeks ago, so that's no particularly unusual. By June 1 I think the vast majority of schools will have stabilized their class rosters. At that point there isn't much opportunity for waitlist movement.

 

[965978]

April 30 was less than two weeks ago, so that's no particularly unusual. By June 1 I think the vast majority of schools will have stabilized their class rosters. At that point there isn't much opportunity for waitlist movement.

I think this whole thing is just a trickle down effect. Top tiers will be waitlist movement earlier compared to lower schools.

 

[AlphaDoctor]

April 30 was less than two weeks ago, so that's no particularly unusual. By June 1 I think the vast majority of schools will have stabilized their class rosters. At that point there isn't much opportunity for waitlist movement.

So you expect the majority of movement to occur between tomorrow and June 1st?

 

[Med Ed]

So you expect the majority of movement to occur between tomorrow and June 1st?

I think a lot of movement has already occurred. But yes, my prediction is that most of the movement this cycle will be done by the end of this month.

 

[ak-aka-dak]

Even the apparent "waitlist" action that has happened so far is more of a delayed primary acceptance. Some schools really under-accepted and are attempting to correct for that now.

Is AAMC no longer enforcing their rule that schools must give admission offers to (at least) the number of applicants that equal the number of seats in each school by April 30th?

 

[onelastshot]

I was searching for the old traffic rules but couldn’t find them. I’m just wondering if “plan to enroll” was an option after 04/30 for accepted applicants in previous cycles? Or how did it work after 04/30?

 

[Med Ed]

I was searching for the old traffic rules but couldn’t find them. I’m just wondering if “plan to enroll” was an option after 04/30 for accepted applicants in previous cycles? Or how did it work after 04/30?

This is the first year that PTE/CTE exists. In previous cycles we received reports in the spring that showed us where our accepted applicants held other acceptances. There was a lot less mystery.

 

[Goro]

This is the first year that PTE/CTE exists. In previous cycles we received reports in the spring that showed us where our accepted applicants held other acceptances. There was a lot less mystery.

Yup, welcome to our world in DO admissions!

 

[onelastshot]

This is the first year that PTE/CTE exists. In previous cycles we received reports in the spring that showed us where our accepted applicants held other acceptances. There was a lot less mystery.

If that’s the case, would you mind explaining why some schools still made offers until classes started? Because I am just thinking if everyone with offers had to commit after 04/30, then whatever unfilled would be filled shortly after that day not until June or something?

 

[sargon2123]

If that’s the case, would you mind explaining why some schools still made offers until classes started? Because I am just thinking if everyone with offers had to commit after 04/30, then whatever unfilled would be filled shortly after that day not until June or something?

The waitlist cascade is drawn out by schools having their own waitlist committee meetings at unpredictable times

 

[itsgoingtibiagoodday]

I think someone already asked this, and not that I'm planning on doing this, but what happens if you get accepted to one school after you've already selected CTE at another school? can you go back on your CTE choice? A lot of people have been talking about the differences in CTE dates per school. How can this be fair, I guess is what I am asking?