New york gen surg programs with a university-community feel?

[SamuelTesla]

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Hey all. I am a Georgetown University medical student, and deciding on which schools to apply in New York. I have good grades and everything, but I am looking for a specific kind of program. Something not research-heavy, able to finish residency in 5 years without having to take a research year, compensates for lack of research with excellent OR experience, excellent comradery, able to to do a decent fellowship after residency, good hours with time to read and study.

Any ideas... if none in New York, maybe something close by...

 

[HammockUp]

Mount Sinai - St. Lukes/Roosevelt and Mount Sinai - Beth Israel in you want Manhattan.

 

[thedrjojo]

Hey all. I am a Georgetown University medical student, and deciding on which schools to apply in New York. I have good grades and everything, but I am looking for a specific kind of program. Something not research-heavy, able to finish residency in 5 years without having to take a research year, compensates for lack of research with excellent OR experience, excellent comradery, able to to do a decent fellowship after residency, good hours with time to read and study.

Any ideas... if none in New York, maybe something close by...

I don't think that program exists (good hours, ha).

I don't know about Nyc non academic programs, but outside Nyc, Morristown Memorial fits the bill fairly well, as does my program Rutgers Newark (research optional) but I'm a bit biased towards my own program, but admittedly so at least 😉

 

[ThoracicGuy]

I don't think that program exists (good hours, ha).

I don't know about Nyc non academic programs, but outside Nyc, Morristown Memorial fits the bill fairly well, as does my program Rutgers Newark (research optional) but I'm a bit biased towards my own program, but admittedly so at least 😉

When they changed the hours rules for the interns which then forced the institution of night float systems, I think that overall quality of life as it related to hours went down. Before you'd be on call every 3, 4, or 5th night, but then you'd get the day off from noon on afterwards. Now, you would work 6 am to 6 pm or whichever and then go home and repeat. Yeah, you aren't on call then, but it sure didn't seem very nice.

 

[thedrjojo]

When they changed the hours rules for the interns which then forced the institution of night float systems, I think that overall quality of life as it related to hours went down. Before you'd be on call every 3, 4, or 5th night, but then you'd get the day off from noon on afterwards. Now, you would work 6 am to 6 pm or whichever and then go home and repeat. Yeah, you aren't on call then, but it sure didn't seem very nice.

First trial has been nice this year

 

[st0w]

I don't know about Nyc non academic programs, but outside Nyc, Morristown Memorial fits the bill fairly well, as does my program Rutgers Newark (research optional) but I'm a bit biased towards my own program, but admittedly so at least 😉

And I'll provide the counter-bias. 😀 I'm an R2 at Morristown and I have nothing but positive things to say about the program. We have good operative numbers (averaging 1000-1200 cases at graduation), and have put those who wanted to pursue fellowship into pretty good programs (you can see a list of recent graduate fellowships at http://www.morristownsurgery.com/former-residents.html - people with n/a are those who chose to pursue general surgery) Research is an option if you want it, but it's not mandatory. I'm going into the lab for two years this July and will return after, and one of the current R3s is going out in July as well. One or two people from each class tend to take time for research or a clinical fellowship, but the majority finish in five years. We are currently ACGME-approved for five categorical residents per year, but we have more than enough cases to go around. Operative experience is very high, and we could easily add another resident to each year and still have tons of cases.

I think we're a very tight-knit group that gets along very well. But I felt like it was a place where I fit when I interviewed. You may fit in better somewhere else. And I think that's one of the most important things you should be looking for when you're interviewing. You will spend more time with your co-residents than your friends, significant other, and family - you better really like the people you meet!

We work hard - but this is surgery. And like thedrjojo said, well, good hours don't really exist anywhere. 🙂

 

[tritown]

Hey all. I am a Georgetown University medical student, and deciding on which schools to apply in New York. I have good grades and everything, but I am looking for a specific kind of program. Something not research-heavy, able to finish residency in 5 years without having to take a research year, compensates for lack of research with excellent OR experience, excellent comradery, able to to do a decent fellowship after residency, good hours with time to read and study.

Any ideas... if none in New York, maybe something close by...

I don't know if you're interested in upstate, but Albany Medical College's program seems to fit what you're looking for. It is academic, but only a few residents do research, and everybody seems to get along quite well. In fact, one of the criticisms I have heard is that there is so much floor and OR time and not enough lecture/test prep time, but that would seem to be a plus for you based on what you're saying.