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I am currently trying to put together a team of pre-dental and pre-medical students to go on a mission trip with GMT to Nicaragua in December (dates are still tentative). The trip is 13 days dong, and costs $1600.00. Now I know this may sound pricey but the life long memories and experiences you walk away with are priceless. Many students have gone and have had the time of their lives. It also looks amazing on your dental/medical school app. Almost every person that has gone said that it was brought up at their interview in some way. The feedback from these trips is amazing. Not to mention that you will also be changing someones life in a drastic way. If you are interested please let me know. Feel free to ask any questions or to PM me.
 
I just went to Nicaragua this summer for 2 weeks with ISL. It was amazing and I highly recommend it. If anyone has any questions please feel free to ask me.
 
Not to mention that you will also be changing someones life in a drastic way.

Can you explain how a premed or predent student with no medical training or experience will do this by virtue of spending 10 days in Central America.
I'm not criticizing the group or even the trip, as I know nothing about either but, premeds should be cautious about whether this will be "amazing" on their application and the claim made in the quote above.

Please tell us some details of what students will be doing to justify this claim.
 
Can you explain how a premed or predent student with no medical training or experience will do this by virtue of spending 10 days in Central America.
I'm not criticizing the group or even the trip, as I know nothing about either but, premeds should be cautious about whether this will be "amazing" on their application and the claim made in the quote above.

Please tell us some details of what students will be doing to justify this claim.

Well I have not been on the trip so I wouldn'y know, but it is getting some amazing feedback. You go with licensed Doctors and Dentists that I believe do train you to do some things. I'm not saying admission is guaranteed, I am simply saying that it will look good regardless of what you do. You are donating your time to trying to help other people, I don't know what looks bad about that.
 
For those that asked for more information PMed I can't upload the brochure so i'll post the link and the brochure here. I'm new to this like everyone else so try and bear with me. 🙂 Anymore questions let me know! Let me know if this sounds like something you would really like to do.
http://www.gmtonline.org/dentistry.html
 

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It costs 1600 for the entire trip? is there any financial help the org can offer? I'm really interested but I can't afford it...🙁
 
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$1600.....a plane ticket doesn't cost more than $400. Where is the other $1200 going? I stayed in a hotel in Nicaragua last summer, in menagua, the capital city, for 5 bucks a day. are you planning on building a hospital?:meanie:
 
I have no idea, you have to understand that everything you are paying for isn't only for yourself, you're providing healthcare supplies and services to those that are less fortunate. I am only an interested student, I don't organize these or set prices. If you want more info you can contact Dr. Wil.
 
$1600.....a plane ticket doesn't cost more than $400. Where is the other $1200 going? I stayed in a hotel in Nicaragua last summer, in menagua, the capital city, for 5 bucks a day. are you planning on building a hospital?:meanie:

Managua:meanie:Thanks though.
 
I went to Nicaragua and did something similar to this. As an undergrad, you have no real skills to offer them except manual labor, and thats obviously not in short supply down there. I think these trips are designed to make you more globally aware. People who go on these types of trips are probably more likely to go into medicine for the "right" reasons. And when you do become a doctor, you're more likely to go back and actually help people.
 
I don't know what looks bad about that.

I can't possibly think of anything wrong with paying a lot of money that could be used instead to actually do good in that country just to go and pad your application while taking time away from the trained professionals actually there doing their jobs. There's plenty of need in your backyard. Either go abroad for three years (Peace Corps), or learn to see those around you every day who need your help. Going for ten days is a net negative for the world.

--Ari
 
Managua:meanie:Thanks though.

Correcting his spelling doesn't really answer the question. And it's a pretty legitimate question b/c most trips that cost this much last about a month. I attended a trip through CFHI that lasted a month and included lodging, 2 meals a day and Spanish lessons and it didn't cost that much more. If anyone is thinking that they can't afford this trip, try looking around at other programs, which offer similar experiences and are less expensive (or at least give you more time to spend in the host country, and therefore maximize your experience).
 
I can't possibly think of anything wrong with paying a lot of money that could be used instead to actually do good in that country just to go and pad your application while taking time away from the trained professionals actually there doing their jobs. There's plenty of need in your backyard. Either go abroad for three years (Peace Corps), or learn to see those around you every day who need your help. Going for ten days is a net negative for the world.

--Ari

I'm going because I think it is a good experience, I didn't ask you what you thought of it. If you're not interested simply don't say anything. How do you know no good comes of it? By the way it's not a padding for my application I happen to do this stuff all the time. I constantly travel overseas and put together clothes and other stuff they may need in less fortunate countries and send it. My family happens to come from a very poor part of Egypt and we haven't forgotten what they go through. So before you go make a judgement that i'm doing this for a selfish reason ask first. I was simply putting this out there for everyone else, whatever reason they want to go for is up to them.
 
Correcting his spelling doesn't really answer the question. And it's a pretty legitimate question b/c most trips that cost this much last about a month. I attended a trip through CFHI that lasted a month and included lodging, 2 meals a day and Spanish lessons and it didn't cost that much more. If anyone is thinking that they can't afford this trip, try looking around at other programs, which offer similar experiences and are less expensive (or at least give you more time to spend in the host country, and therefore maximize your experience).

You're right it didn't answer his question, I would have answered it had he really been interested and not sarcastic about it. I'm not putting this out there to recieve criticism, I didn't put the thing together I'm simply an interested student. If people want to know the breakdown of the price they can contact Dr. Wil, I posted the website. I also completly agree with you, there are many other trips out there, which I personally have also been looking at, i'm not binding anyone to this one, i'm just suggesting it.
 
If anyone wants more info contact Dr. Wil, I did not put this program together, I am simply just interested in it. His contact information is in the brochure I posted and the website I posted. If you have remarks about his program, express them to him not me. This is my first time doing anything like this, so don't take out your frustration of the program on me.

The program is costly, I agree. Most of you are probably correct, hotel stay, food and transportation probably doesn't cost as much. If you would like to know what the remainder of the money goes towards e-mail Dr. Wil, I am sure he will have no problem breaking it down for you.
 
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I don't know what looks bad about that.

I didn't ask you what you thought of it.

You're right. I should have noticed the lack of a question mark in your interrogative sentence. Forgive me. In penance, I will now go write on the blackboard:
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--Ari

P.S. For all of those out there considering this thread, I'm not normally so sarcastic, but the credence that medical school admissions seem to give to these missions and the resulting bias in what pre-meds do is a truly unfortunate thing. We complain all the time about how there's a formula for admissions and that most people who volunteer just do it for med school, and then up comes a particularly egregious example like this.
 
Oh goodness, that's fine. If that's how you feel then that's fine. I've been volunteering at my mom's hospital for over 10 years, i've been doing charity work and fundraisers for half my family that is sick with multiple scerlosis for 10 years, and i've wanted to do research on MS for sometime now all because I want it to look good on my application. By the way i'm not pre-med, I was simply offering it to those that are. Thank you for judging me without knowing anything about me. Next time simply ask.
 
Forgive me this is silly. You're right, if that's how you feel then you have every right to express it, i'm not going to try and change your mind. I can learn to take criticism. My intentions were innocent. Forgive me for my replies, I can't change people around me, I can only change myself. 🙂
 
If the pre-med brochure gets online somehow, I'd be interested. PM me 🙂
 
I've been volunteering at my mom's hospital for over 10 years, i've been doing charity work and fundraisers for half my family that is sick with multiple scerlosis for 10 years, and i've wanted to do research on MS for sometime now all because I want it to look good on my application. By the way i'm not pre-med, I was simply offering it to those that are.

On the contrary, I made no attack on you, merely on the idea that spending an exorbitant amount of money to pad one's application was somehow beneficial to the world. Given that your first post stated that it looks fabulous on a med/dental school application, it's hard to draw any other conclusion as to the purpose of such a trip.

Out of curiousity, if you're not pre-med, then what are you (e.g. which application do you want that MS research to look good on)?

--Ari
 
On the contrary, I made no attack on you, merely on the idea that spending an exorbitant amount of money to pad one's application was unfortunate. Given that your first post stated that it looks fabulous on a med/dental school application, it's hard to draw any other conclusion as to the purpose of such a trip.

Out of curiousity, if you're not pre-med, then what are you (e.g. which application do you want that MS research to look good on)?

--Ari

I didn't want it to look good on anything really. I actually wanted to start it post graduate so that I have a better understanding of it. There are many other things I can do research on if I wanted something to write on my app. I just really want to understand the disease better. You're right my first post did state it, I was just trying to add more positives to the trip, by no means was I trying to get people to go for that sole purpose. I should have phrased it better, my mistake.
 
Even if your motivations are entirely altruistic, I'm still not convinced that these ultra-short term missions do more harm than good. This article says it better than I ever could:
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=5210880&postcount=10

"The use of untrained volunteers to deliver care and medication is not acceptable in the United States and should not be considered acceptable elsewhere. The inability to follow up with patients and the lack of long-term responsibility for medical care is a serious and largely ignored problem."

--Ari
 
Even if your motivations are entirely altruistic, I'm still not convinced that these ultra-short term missions do more harm than good. This article says it better than I ever could:
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=5210880&postcount=10

"The use of untrained volunteers to deliver care and medication is not acceptable in the United States and should not be considered acceptable elsewhere. The inability to follow up with patients and the lack of long-term responsibility for medical care is a serious and largely ignored problem."

--Ari

For Christ sake, give it a rest. For those of us who want a chance to experience a foreign culture firsthand while helping out the native doctors/nurses/dentists administer healthcare, these kinds of trips are great, provided you have the means to go. I view trips like these as more of a self-growth and personal experience. You have to be adventurous and open-minded. I wouldn't trade my experience abroad for anything. And I don't expect any of you naysayers to actually understand how it feels unless you've personally done something like this yourself. I agree with you guys on some things and disagree with others but this thread isn't the place for such a debate.
 
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I view trips like these as more of a self-growth and personal experience. You have to be adventurous and open-minded. I wouldn't trade my experience abroad for anything. And I don't expect any of you naysayers to actually understand how it feels unless you've personally done something like this yourself.
When Johnny Premed drops $1,800 for a trip like this, loads of folks jump in and say, "that money would serve better if it were sent to a nonprof operating down there directly." They're right, but these same folks will supportively chime in on which countries to visit if someone wants to spend $1,800 on a eurorail trip.

As long as folks view properly run trips in the right context, I don't see any problem with them. If the money you spend is mostly going to a nonprof and you're along for the ride to experience a country for a while and put in some volunteering, why not? I think where it irks people is if they trumpet the following:

All the cool things they get to do in a developing nation that they can't do in the U.S.: Many programs will let unqualified premeds do all sorts of things, because the more they let the premeds do, the more premeds want to attend and the more the money pours in. Few premeds rave about going to Guatamala and building wells, but if they get to assist in a surgery, folks queue up for the program.

The huge impact they made: Let's keep in in perspective. It's a week, or two, or four. Your money is going a lot further than your sweat. And it's very much appreciated. The trip may have a big impact on you, but when folks talk about all the good they do, it's a little insulting to folks who came back after working two years on sustainable project in the Peace Corps.
 
I agree with you guys on some things and disagree with others but this thread isn't the place for such a debate.
Amen. Whenever folks sincerely advertise an opportunity to volunteer abroad, you have a group of SDNers that like to talk about how worthless it is, how much it's resume padding, etc.

These are the same folks that parrot the same responses in other threads:

Post: I get to volunteer in a real live ER!!!
Respones: You'll be cleaning out bedpans...

Post: I got my EMT!!!
Response: You'll be shuttling the elderly...

Post: I'm going to osteopathic medical school!!!
Response: You'll basically be becoming a chiropractor...

Post: I got accepted to Local U SOM!!!
Response: You'll never get that derm residency...

SDN doesn't need to be a place where you blow sunshine up everyone's a$$, but you don't need to piss in everyone's cheerio's either...
 
A lot of people on this forum post replies having never experienced an international medical experience. Let me give you some real answers to your questions.

I spent 5 months in Honduras working in a medical clinic my year following college and before medical school. Having no medical training, there is still a tremendous amount of good that can be done. People don't realize the amount of need and compassion that is lacking in countries like Honduras, and no--there is not enough help to do everything. While there, I learned to take patients histories and do physical exams (fluent in spanish helps), and by the second month was seeing patients on my own and presenting to the attending. Considering we had to see 70 patient/day with one physician, it helps tremendously to have pre-meds or medical students to see patients and triage cases. Furthermore, assistance with procedures and other aspects of medicine like wound care, that a nurse would usually perform, can easily be performed by pre-meds who are properly taught. The cliche "see one, do one, teach one" is very applicable. The experience will put you closer to patients than most have ever experienced or thought was possible as a pre-med.
My experience was an amazing one and one that I will always remember. It will provide for the student a whole different understanding of compassionate medical care and in my case changed me as a person.
The cost issue is one that although the money would be better spent sending it to a NGO, in all honesty, I believe it is better spent on the experience, and let me tell you why. Not only will the person undoubtedly come back as a doctor, in my opinion, Think of it this way: aside from your flight, the remaining $1000 is all contributing to growth of that country. Every cent will be spent there, with a portion going towards the clinic or other operational cost. These organizations on most accounts use the money very well and waste little.

If you are at all considering the experience, do it! But remember, it is very tough going to a country where no one speaks english and trying to have an amazing experience. Learning some spanish before you go will improve your experience tremendously and you will feel a much greater impact just being able to talk to your patients.
 
A lot of people on this forum post replies having never experienced an international medical experience. Let me give you some real answers to your questions.

I spent 5 months in Honduras working in a medical clinic my year following college and before medical school. Having no medical training, there is still a tremendous amount of good that can be done. People don't realize the amount of need and compassion that is lacking in countries like Honduras, and no--there is not enough help to do everything. While there, I learned to take patients histories and do physical exams (fluent in spanish helps), and by the second month was seeing patients on my own and presenting to the attending. Considering we had to see 70 patient/day with one physician, it helps tremendously to have pre-meds or medical students to see patients and triage cases. Furthermore, assistance with procedures and other aspects of medicine like wound care, that a nurse would usually perform, can easily be performed by pre-meds who are properly taught. The cliche "see one, do one, teach one" is very applicable. The experience will put you closer to patients than most have ever experienced or thought was possible as a pre-med.
My experience was an amazing one and one that I will always remember. It will provide for the student a whole different understanding of compassionate medical care and in my case changed me as a person.
The cost issue is one that although the money would be better spent sending it to a NGO, in all honesty, I believe it is better spent on the experience, and let me tell you why. Not only will the person undoubtedly come back as a doctor, in my opinion, Think of it this way: aside from your flight, the remaining $1000 is all contributing to growth of that country. Every cent will be spent there, with a portion going towards the clinic or other operational cost. These organizations on most accounts use the money very well and waste little.

If you are at all considering the experience, do it! But remember, it is very tough going to a country where no one speaks english and trying to have an amazing experience. Learning some spanish before you go will improve your experience tremendously and you will feel a much greater impact just being able to talk to your patients.

My organization just hired translators to help us out. :laugh:
 
Thank you guys for the support, I really didn't know what to say anymore. I was honestly just asking if anyone was interested in such an opportunity. Thanks again and the offer is still on the table. I posted the brochure and the website in a previous post higher up in the thread. If anyone has any questions, I'll do my best to answer.🙂
 
5 months is a lot longer than 13 days, or whatever the length of the OP's program. I bet you didn't even pay over $1600.

If you want to have an international experience and help poverty and the likes, go down there without paying god knows who, it will only cost you $1100 bucks, and send the rest of the money you would be paying to the red cross or something.



A lot of people on this forum post replies having never experienced an international medical experience. Let me give you some real answers to your questions.

I spent 5 months in Honduras working in a medical clinic my year following college and before medical school. Having no medical training, there is still a tremendous amount of good that can be done. People don't realize the amount of need and compassion that is lacking in countries like Honduras, and no--there is not enough help to do everything. While there, I learned to take patients histories and do physical exams (fluent in spanish helps), and by the second month was seeing patients on my own and presenting to the attending. Considering we had to see 70 patient/day with one physician, it helps tremendously to have pre-meds or medical students to see patients and triage cases. Furthermore, assistance with procedures and other aspects of medicine like wound care, that a nurse would usually perform, can easily be performed by pre-meds who are properly taught. The cliche "see one, do one, teach one" is very applicable. The experience will put you closer to patients than most have ever experienced or thought was possible as a pre-med.
My experience was an amazing one and one that I will always remember. It will provide for the student a whole different understanding of compassionate medical care and in my case changed me as a person.
The cost issue is one that although the money would be better spent sending it to a NGO, in all honesty, I believe it is better spent on the experience, and let me tell you why. Not only will the person undoubtedly come back as a doctor, in my opinion, Think of it this way: aside from your flight, the remaining $1000 is all contributing to growth of that country. Every cent will be spent there, with a portion going towards the clinic or other operational cost. These organizations on most accounts use the money very well and waste little.

If you are at all considering the experience, do it! But remember, it is very tough going to a country where no one speaks english and trying to have an amazing experience. Learning some spanish before you go will improve your experience tremendously and you will feel a much greater impact just being able to talk to your patients.
 
Can you explain how a premed or predent student with no medical training or experience will do this by virtue of spending 10 days in Central America.
I'm not criticizing the group or even the trip, as I know nothing about either but, premeds should be cautious about whether this will be "amazing" on their application and the claim made in the quote above.

Please tell us some details of what students will be doing to justify this claim.
THANK YOU! I was about to point this out.......bunch of self-righteous little bastards......
 
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All the cool things they get to do in a developing nation that they can't do in the U.S.: Many programs will let unqualified premeds do all sorts of things, because the more they let the premeds do, the more premeds want to attend and the more the money pours in. Few premeds rave about going to Guatamala and building wells, but if they get to assist in a surgery, folks queue up for the program.
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I can't possibly think of anything wrong with paying a lot of money that could be used instead to actually do good in that country just to go and pad your application while taking time away from the trained professionals actually there doing their jobs. There's plenty of need in your backyard. Either go abroad for three years (Peace Corps), or learn to see those around you every day who need your help. Going for ten days is a net negative for the world.

--Ari

I went with ISL and your statement could not be FURTHER from the truth. You spend a lot of money which covers your flights, hotels, meals, and transportation. The remainder goes to the HUGE supply of medical equipment and drugs we bring to these clinics. And you are absolutely wrong by saying you take time away from trained professionals doing their jobs. Do you think that these native physicians and organizers would really do that? The clinics have HUNDREDS of people waiting....and 1-2 physicians. So the students get trained in seminars, then you literally are a doctor there. You work in groups of about 4 to see the patient, take history, take BP and pulse, do an examination if needed, and prescribe medicine. Then you wave the doctor over, she stays for a few minutes while you tell her everything. Then she will agree or disagree with you and tell you the next step. So while you were with the patient 15 mins, she was there less than 5, meaning all the patients will get seen. If it was just her alone just a handful compared to the overall number would be seen. It was a great experience and I know my team helped a lot of people. You shouldn't make comments like this which could discourage other people from going to help when you are obviously ignorant on the issue.
 
I went with ISL and your statement could not be FURTHER from the truth. You spend a lot of money which covers your flights, hotels, meals, and transportation. The remainder goes to the HUGE supply of medical equipment and drugs we bring to these clinics. And you are absolutely wrong by saying you take time away from trained professionals doing their jobs. Do you think that these native physicians and organizers would really do that? The clinics have HUNDREDS of people waiting....and 1-2 physicians. So the students get trained in seminars, then you literally are a doctor there. You work in groups of about 4 to see the patient, take history, take BP and pulse, do an examination if needed, and prescribe medicine. Then you wave the doctor over, she stays for a few minutes while you tell her everything. Then she will agree or disagree with you and tell you the next step. So while you were with the patient 15 mins, she was there less than 5, meaning all the patients will get seen. If it was just her alone just a handful compared to the overall number would be seen. It was a great experience and I know my team helped a lot of people. You shouldn't make comments like this which could discourage other people from going to help when you are obviously ignorant on the issue.

ISL. 😍
 
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