So nurse calls, and by computer alone:
sounds like just w/ sign out & computer stalking the nightfloat guy gathered:
"young otherwise healthy kid (early 20s) PMHx sig for bad anxiety and OCD about pulse admitted with n/v
c/w viral gastroenteritis per ID, w/ assoc tachy" now w/ demands to "fix" tachy
PMHx
OCD
Anxiety
Meds
Paroxetine
All
None
SocHx
Claims no rec substances
FamHx
Noncontrib
Obj:
Vitals since admit:
Febrile ~101, Tach 110-130, BP 110s/60s, RR < 14, satting well
I/O +400 mL
PE per notes:
Remarkable for
Tachy, hyperactive bowel sounds, mild abd tenderness
Labs:
Standard sepsis w/u from from ED (but I look of course, so he had normal CBC, CMP, U/A 2+ urobil)
EKG nl sinus tach
Bld cx pend
No img
Consultant:
ID think viral GE and recs no abx
A/P
WITHOUT SEEING HIM:
I call nurse, and ask about the following: recheck vitals same as above, patient looks fine just freaked about pulse
No CP/SOB, skipped beats
Mild abd pain, min nausea, no vomiting, some diarrhea but not much, and not c/w upper or lower GIB
No calf pain/swelling
I consider:
PE/DVT, MI, AAA, arrthymia, PNA, pericarditis, hemo/pneumothorax, abd source infxn or perf or trauma or bleed, gallstones, ascending cholangitis, pancreatitis, c diff, UTI,
Low suspicion
Tachy but otherwise HD stable, CBC & CMP WNL, nl EKG
ddimer waste of time, per hx and data low pretest prob of most of above so if not done in ED I don't need LE doppler, spiral CT or trops or repeat EKG or CXR or abd XR or CT or abd U/S or lipase
Stool studies won't change management
Urobili 2+ could point to hemolysis or stones, still not convinced I need to work that up right now, as CMP (which would include liver zymes was WNL, could consider hepatitis w/u viral panel, drug screen)
W/o seeing him I can start by giving fluid & APAP and recheck vitals
Then I can add more fluids and benzo by phone
recheck vitals
I visit him if fluid + benzo doesn't solve the problem to check if he looks legit sick and exam because that would be the only thing to change management
Which would be repeat bld cx, lactate, & call senior, to see if we start abx, to report exam findings and what of any of the above w/u I get considering exam
Otherwise dayteam can decide if they want most of that testing
If I'm not that worried about delirium in elderly, inability to protect airway in this puking patient, tanking up and Ativan by phone should be fine to start IMHO even if that's not what's wrong with this guy
Fluids and Ativan should solve my problem without a bedside visit in this person, if there's more to it I can go bedside and do more, but for someone like this it's hard to go wrong with fluids, APAP, benzo, without looking at him
someone like this I've hardly harmed with Ativan even if I go bedside because that didn't take care of it and he needs abx & more w/u
Low dose benzos aren't particularly dangerous in young people protecting airway, in fact they can help with nausea
IVF are fine in young kid w/ no heart, liver, kidney dz, electrolyte disturbance, low albumin
The only reason not to give benzo blindly by phone are issues around MS, aspiration concerns, anticholinergic toxicity syndrome
(****, maybe this guy has serotonin syndrome from OD on Paxil, in which case benzos would be adjunct tx)
(****, does he have antocholinergic syndrome? In which case benzo bad)
(****, if he had hepatitis leading to UA urobili 2+ APAP and maybe benzo bad? Normal CMP and no one thinks he's boozed up right now so unlikely acute EtOH hepatitis, this is probably safe to throw at his liver and fever and tach)
Nah, I think I can throw fluids and a benzo and then f/u vitals before I need to see him
But I'm s/p ICU, 2 ward month, and 1 NF month, and I just explained the data I collected per chart and nurse w/in 5 min and thought process that led me to see if APAP, benzo and fluids would be safe to try before looking at him
I didn't jump to more sepsis w/u because he's had a good w/u for infxn and we're holding off abx
And what would make go bedside, and what I would think of and do depending on exam