NIH MSTP Grant Levels

[Shatterstar17]

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I was bored last night and compiled this from publicly available stats from the NIH for FY 2005. Sorry the formatting isn't that great but it seems readable to me. (Grant name, University, # of Funded Pre-doctoral Spots, Total yearly award):

"Goldberg, Daniel E" WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY 50 "$2,446,788"
"Brass, Lawrence F" UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA 49 "$2,382,662"
"Siliciano, Robert F" JOHNS HOPKINS UNIVERSITY 49 "$2,260,799"
"Jamieson, James D" YALE UNIVERSITY 46 "$2,133,929"
"Walsh, Christopher A" HARVARD UNIVERSITY 44 "$2,016,773"
"Anderson, Olaf S" WEILL MEDICAL COLLEGE 42 "$1,967,900"
"Barsh, Gregory S." STANFORD UNIVERSITY 37 "$1,943,897"
"Quintans, Jose A" UNIVERSITY OF CHICAGO 35 "$1,791,547"
"Koenig, Ronald J" U.MICHIGAN AT ANN ARBOR 35 "$1,659,587"
"Pizzo, Salvatore V" DUKE UNIVERSITY 35 "$1,534,742"
"Akabas, Myles H" YESHIVA UNIVERSITY 31 "$1,534,090"
"Harding, Clifford V" CASE WESTERN RESERVE 28 "$1,288,553"
"Ulane, Rodney E" NEW YORK UNIVERSITY 29 "$1,279,879"
"Smale, Stephen T" U.CALIFORNIA LOS ANGELES 33 "$1,141,825"
"Insel, Paul A" UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA SAN DIEGO 28 "$1,124,053"
"Loeb, Lawrence A" U.WASHINGTON 29 "$1,051,388"
"Weiss, Arthur " U.CALIFORNIA SAN FRANCISCO 35 "$1,042,119"
"Engman, David M." NORTHWESTERN UNIVERSITY 18 "$943,502"
"Dermody, Terence S." VANDERBILT UNIVERSITY 20 "$900,866"
"Shelanski, Michael L" COLUMBIA U. HEALTH SCIENCES 20 "$863,447"
"Levey, Allan I" EMORY UNIVERSITY 19 "$819,104"
"Geyer, Pamela K." UNIVERSITY OF IOWA 17 "$813,973"
"Logothetis, Diomedes E" MOUNT SINAI 19 "$777,862"
"Brown, Michael S" U.TEXAS SW MED CTR/DALLAS 23 "$743,216"
"Lupski, James " BAYLOR COLLEGE OF MEDICINE 18 "$719,132"
"Frohman, Michael A" STATE U.NY STONY BROOK 16 "$554,620"
"O'Banion, Michael Kerry" UNIVERSITY OF ROCHESTER 11 "$520,781"
"Bucy, R Pat" U.ALABAMA AT BIRMINGHAM 12 "$509,925"
"Orringer, Eugene P" U.NORTH CAROLINA CHAPEL HILL 10 "$439,958"
"Owens, Gary K" U.VIRGINIA CHARLOTTESVILLE 9 "$425,779"
"Wiley, Clayton A." U.PITTSBURGH AT PITTSBURGH 9 "$399,184"
"Lebien, Tucker W" U.MINNESOTA TWIN CITIES 8 "$342,350"
"Myatt, Leslie " UNIVERSITY OF CINCINNATI 6 "$246,407"
"Halushka, Perry V" MEDICAL U.SOUTH CAROLINA 6 "$203,465"
"Goldin, Alan L" UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA IRVINE 6 "$199,739"
"Rotwein, Peter S" OREGON HEALTH & SCIENCE U. 4 "$192,447"
"Waldor, Matthew K" TUFTS U. BOSTON 4 "$190,143"
"Rodriguez, Moses " "MAYO CLINIC COLL OF M" 4 "$183,879"
"Cinti, Dominick L" U.CONNECTICUT SCH OF MED/DNT 4 "$133,435"

If you'd like, you can find the original files at:
http://grants.nih.gov/training/outcomes.htm

 

[shnjb]

Woo hoo my school is 14!
Well, actually that's not exciting at all.
But where the **** is the Yeshiva univ?

 

[QofQuimica]

It's there. I bolded it for you. 🙂

"Goldberg, Daniel E" WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY 50 "$2,446,788"
"Brass, Lawrence F" UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA 49 "$2,382,662"
"Siliciano, Robert F" JOHNS HOPKINS UNIVERSITY 49 "$2,260,799"
"Jamieson, James D" YALE UNIVERSITY 46 "$2,133,929"
"Walsh, Christopher A" HARVARD UNIVERSITY 44 "$2,016,773"
"Barsh, Gregory S." STANFORD UNIVERSITY 37 "$1,943,897"
"Quintans, Jose A" UNIVERSITY OF CHICAGO 35 "$1,791,547"
"Koenig, Ronald J" U.MICHIGAN AT ANN ARBOR 35 "$1,659,587"
"Pizzo, Salvatore V" DUKE UNIVERSITY 35 "$1,534,742"
"Akabas, Myles H" YESHIVA UNIVERSITY 31 "$1,534,090"
"Harding, Clifford V" CASE WESTERN RESERVE 28 "$1,288,553"
"Ulane, Rodney E" NEW YORK UNIVERSITY 29 "$1,279,879"
"Smale, Stephen T" U.CALIFORNIA LOS ANGELES 33 "$1,141,825"
"Insel, Paul A" UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA SAN DIEGO 28 "$1,124,053"
"Loeb, Lawrence A" U.WASHINGTON 29 "$1,051,388"
"Weiss, Arthur " U.CALIFORNIA SAN FRANCISCO 35 "$1,042,119"
"Engman, David M." NORTHWESTERN UNIVERSITY 18 "$943,502"
"Dermody, Terence S." VANDERBILT UNIVERSITY 20 "$900,866"
"Shelanski, Michael L" COLUMBIA U. HEALTH SCIENCES 20 "$863,447"
"Levey, Allan I" EMORY UNIVERSITY 19 "$819,104"
"Geyer, Pamela K." UNIVERSITY OF IOWA 17 "$813,973"
"Logothetis, Diomedes E" MOUNT SINAI 19 "$777,862"
"Brown, Michael S" U.TEXAS SW MED CTR/DALLAS 23 "$743,216"
"Lupski, James " BAYLOR COLLEGE OF MEDICINE 18 "$719,132"
"Frohman, Michael A" STATE U.NY STONY BROOK 16 "$554,620"
"O'Banion, Michael Kerry" UNIVERSITY OF ROCHESTER 11 "$520,781"
"Bucy, R Pat" U.ALABAMA AT BIRMINGHAM 12 "$509,925"
"Orringer, Eugene P" U.NORTH CAROLINA CHAPEL HILL 10 "$439,958"
"Owens, Gary K" U.VIRGINIA CHARLOTTESVILLE 9 "$425,779"
"Wiley, Clayton A." U.PITTSBURGH AT PITTSBURGH 9 "$399,184"
"Lebien, Tucker W" U.MINNESOTA TWIN CITIES 8 "$342,350"
"Myatt, Leslie " UNIVERSITY OF CINCINNATI 6 "$246,407"
"Halushka, Perry V" MEDICAL U.SOUTH CAROLINA 6 "$203,465"
"Goldin, Alan L" UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA IRVINE 6 "$199,739"
"Rotwein, Peter S" OREGON HEALTH & SCIENCE U. 4 "$192,447"
"Waldor, Matthew K" TUFTS U. BOSTON 4 "$190,143"
"Rodriguez, Moses " "MAYO CLINIC COLL OF M" 4 "$183,879"
"Cinti, Dominick L" U.CONNECTICUT SCH OF MED/DNT 4 "$133,435"

 

[shnjb]

It's there. I bolded it for you. 🙂

"Goldberg, Daniel E" WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY 50 "$2,446,788"
"Brass, Lawrence F" UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA 49 "$2,382,662"
"Siliciano, Robert F" JOHNS HOPKINS UNIVERSITY 49 "$2,260,799"
"Jamieson, James D" YALE UNIVERSITY 46 "$2,133,929"
"Walsh, Christopher A" HARVARD UNIVERSITY 44 "$2,016,773"
"Barsh, Gregory S." STANFORD UNIVERSITY 37 "$1,943,897"
"Quintans, Jose A" UNIVERSITY OF CHICAGO 35 "$1,791,547"
"Koenig, Ronald J" U.MICHIGAN AT ANN ARBOR 35 "$1,659,587"
"Pizzo, Salvatore V" DUKE UNIVERSITY 35 "$1,534,742"
"Akabas, Myles H" YESHIVA UNIVERSITY 31 "$1,534,090"
"Harding, Clifford V" CASE WESTERN RESERVE 28 "$1,288,553"
"Ulane, Rodney E" NEW YORK UNIVERSITY 29 "$1,279,879"
"Smale, Stephen T" U.CALIFORNIA LOS ANGELES 33 "$1,141,825"
"Insel, Paul A" UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA SAN DIEGO 28 "$1,124,053"
"Loeb, Lawrence A" U.WASHINGTON 29 "$1,051,388"
"Weiss, Arthur " U.CALIFORNIA SAN FRANCISCO 35 "$1,042,119"
"Engman, David M." NORTHWESTERN UNIVERSITY 18 "$943,502"
"Dermody, Terence S." VANDERBILT UNIVERSITY 20 "$900,866"
"Shelanski, Michael L" COLUMBIA U. HEALTH SCIENCES 20 "$863,447"
"Levey, Allan I" EMORY UNIVERSITY 19 "$819,104"
"Geyer, Pamela K." UNIVERSITY OF IOWA 17 "$813,973"
"Logothetis, Diomedes E" MOUNT SINAI 19 "$777,862"
"Brown, Michael S" U.TEXAS SW MED CTR/DALLAS 23 "$743,216"
"Lupski, James " BAYLOR COLLEGE OF MEDICINE 18 "$719,132"
"Frohman, Michael A" STATE U.NY STONY BROOK 16 "$554,620"
"O'Banion, Michael Kerry" UNIVERSITY OF ROCHESTER 11 "$520,781"
"Bucy, R Pat" U.ALABAMA AT BIRMINGHAM 12 "$509,925"
"Orringer, Eugene P" U.NORTH CAROLINA CHAPEL HILL 10 "$439,958"
"Owens, Gary K" U.VIRGINIA CHARLOTTESVILLE 9 "$425,779"
"Wiley, Clayton A." U.PITTSBURGH AT PITTSBURGH 9 "$399,184"
"Lebien, Tucker W" U.MINNESOTA TWIN CITIES 8 "$342,350"
"Myatt, Leslie " UNIVERSITY OF CINCINNATI 6 "$246,407"
"Halushka, Perry V" MEDICAL U.SOUTH CAROLINA 6 "$203,465"
"Goldin, Alan L" UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA IRVINE 6 "$199,739"
"Rotwein, Peter S" OREGON HEALTH & SCIENCE U. 4 "$192,447"
"Waldor, Matthew K" TUFTS U. BOSTON 4 "$190,143"
"Rodriguez, Moses " "MAYO CLINIC COLL OF M" 4 "$183,879"
"Cinti, Dominick L" U.CONNECTICUT SCH OF MED/DNT 4 "$133,435"

No I mean I've never heard of that school.

 

[Neuronix]

Albert Einstein College of Medicine (AECOM) is a part of Yeshiva University.

 

[dave613]

I guess we can rank the programs based on how much money they get:

that means my top choice, Yeshiva, is in the top 10.

 

[Shatterstar17]

U. Penn 2431288 50
Wash U. 2298054 51
Hopkins 2120513 50
Harvard 2062609 45
Yale 2050962 47
Cornell 2014755 43
Stanford 1996435 38
U. Chicago 1733728 36
Yeshiva 1583576 32
Duke 1578591 36
U. Mich 1534023 36
Cwru 1334573 29
Nyu 1226209 29
Ucsf 1193142 35
Ucla 1176426 34
U. Wash 1051388 29
Columbia 943535 20
Northwestern 943502 18
Ucsd 938896 28
Emory 819104 19
Vandy 811247 20
Mt. Sinai 790340 19
Utsw 686550 23
U. Iowa 636502 17
Baylor 631826 19
Stony Brook 554620 16
U. Roch 520781 11
U. Ab 457714 12
Unc 439958 10
U. Pitt 399184 9
U. Va 363801 9
Uc. Irvine 199739 6
Tufts 190143 4
Musc 169554 5
U. Cincinatti 164271 4
Ohsu 144335 3
Mayo 140669 3
U.conn 133435 4
U. Minn 80628 2

 

[fantasty]

I guess we can rank the programs based on how much money they get:

that means my top choice, Yeshiva, is in the top 10.

So, NYU & Case West > UCSF?

PS: Not knocking those 2 schools - just pointing out the nature of the list.

 

[Shatterstar17]

Oh, yeah, point of course well-taken. I wouldn't make this the be-all end-all of any applicant's list (I didn't even put numbers before each school to make it harder to jump to that conclusion). Hopefully it does serve as some sort of useful proxy for how well-put-together a MSTP program is as a whole. Or at least how well-written the grant was that year.

Ha, or maybe just which director is tighter with NIGMS! 😳

 

[Vader]

I guess we can rank the programs based on how much money they get:

that means my top choice, Yeshiva, is in the top 10.

You can, but it would be highly misleading, as this only reflects NIH MSTP grant money and doesn't include individual institutional support and graduate program training grants, from which you will derive support.

Also, I have no data, but I would suspect that the order fluctuates considerably from year-to-year, as programs come up for review and grant renewal.

 

[CaipirinhaQuinho]

I love when this list comes out, but it takes a well trained NIH junky to slosh through all of the confusing .nih.gov sites and then extract all the relevant data. Shatterstar is such a nice guy, I wish I knew which mstp nice, smart, really cool guys like shatterstar end up at.

 

[Shatterstar17]

I would have said "nice, smart, really cool guys like shatterstar end up at" Penn, but you're there aren't you!

Methinks CaipirinhaQuinho has had one too many Caipirinhas. While we're on the topic of NIH Grants, I wonder if NIGMS would care to know just how much of ours gets spent in Atlantic City!

Anyway, Merry Christmas all!

I love when this list comes out, but it takes a well trained NIH junky to slosh through all of the confusing .nih.gov sites and then extract all the relevant data. Shatterstar is such a nice guy, I wish I knew which mstp nice, smart, really cool guys like shatterstar end up at.

 

[Neuronix]

In case anyone is curious, here's the data for 2004:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=263411

 

[mudphud2b]

I was wondering whether overall funding totals are really the best way to evaluate the programs' finances. As mentioned, institutional and other sources of funds are not considered by NIH MSTP funds alone.

But also, it's worth noting that not all programs have the same # of students. There is a strong correlation in the MSTP funding and the # of students in the program and it's not true that programs aim to be as big as possible.

I think a better way to interpret the data is to divide the total NIH funding by the number of students in each program. Ideally, you'd also want to account for cost of living differences because I think they factor into how much funding is awarded.

Still, I think the $$ is an incomplete way to compare schools. I would LOVE to see the NIH MSTP panel evaluations of the various programs since it's so hard to get "independent" analysis. I found the funding data, but could not find the program evaluations on the NIH website. Does ANYONE know how I can see them? It would be a BIG help for me to make my decision.

 

[Shatterstar17]

But also, it's worth noting that not all programs have the same # of students. There is a strong correlation in the MSTP funding and the # of students in the program and it's not true that programs aim to be as big as possible.

Just for clarity for everyone else reading, the numbers in this post are the number of FUNDED spots. I can see what you mean, but I'd also think that all programs would want as much money as possible. I don't think we can say (without someone in the study section being present) if they take into account the number of TOTAL students in the MSTP when awarding the grant. I would think not. That is, my bet is they review the grant and award $ based on its merits, not its aspirations. If anyone else has more info I'd be very interested.

Still, I think the $$ is an incomplete way to compare schools. I would LOVE to see the NIH MSTP panel evaluations of the various programs since it's so hard to get "independent" analysis. I found the funding data, but could not find the program evaluations on the NIH website. Does ANYONE know how I can see them? It would be a BIG help for me to make my decision.

Let me know if you find them. Probably only high-up administration involved in the process at the school see the evaluations of the grants, if it's like anything else NIH does. Even then, those would only be evaluations of the grant as written, not of the MD/PhD program as a whole.

 

[Hurricane]

Just for clarity for everyone else reading, the numbers in this post are the number of FUNDED spots.

And it's also worth mentioning that different programs deal with the unfunded spots differently. At some programs, like my alma mater Cincinnati, all of the spot are 100% funded, either by the NIH or the dean's office. (Actually, some of the non-NIH funded spots at UC actually have a higher stipend, but I digress.) At other programs, the unfunded spots cover only partial tuition, or have lower stipends, or whatever. You can't get that info from such a list, you have to actually contact the programs.

 

[24thGrade]

Sorry to revive this thread from the dead, but I found it really interesting. Has anyone gone back and redone this list in the last few years? If not, would someone mind pointing me to how to look up this information?

Edit: Nevermind, found NIH RePort. Browsed through most of the top grants and they appear to be roughly the same as the top list (2005). I'm guessing with money cuts there hasn't been much opportunity for the size of these grants to expand in the last couple of years....

I find it particularly interesting how small these grants are compared to the money needed to support them. Clearly, the the MSTP grants are only a small fraction of the funding needed for most of these programs. Despite this though the grant sizes do mostly correlate with the size of the programs.... not sure what to make of it all. I like to think this is a better method of ranking mstp's because my school did well 🙂

 

[KPCOFGS]

I find it particularly interesting how small these grants are compared to the money needed to support them. Clearly, the the MSTP grants are only a small fraction of the funding needed for most of these programs. Despite this though the grant sizes do mostly correlate with the size of the programs.... not sure what to make of it all. I like to think this is a better method of ranking mstp's because my school did well 🙂

I had always heard that grant $$ are largely based on how big the program is when the grant application is turned in... so then bigger programs would usually fair better, right? Not to knock your program of course 😎