NJ contract schools

[sunnex3]

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anyone know what schools NJ still has contracts with?
and can someone explain what "contract" means? does that mean that you're considered IS for the school?

thanks a bunch 😀

 

[BayleeVet2B]

anyone know what schools NJ still has contracts with?
and can someone explain what "contract" means? does that mean that you're considered IS for the school?

thanks a bunch 😀

New Jersey does not have its own vet school, but has "contracts" with other states to "buy" seats reserved exclusively for New Jersey residents. Funding for these seats comes from the Department if Higher Education Student Assistance Authority (HESAA). New Jersey has contract seats in 7 schools: University of Pennsylvania, Cornell University (New York), Tuskegee University (Alabama), Iowa State University, Oklahoma State University, University of Illinois, and Tufts University (Massachussetts).
(per the Rutgers website)

 

[aussie86]

I know NJ "probably" has a contract with Tufts. At their financial aid presentation, they said they may have 4 contract spots which will receive $12,000 a year. I received an email from Tufts today about registering as a NJ resident to qualify for the spots.

BUT after reading the website, it appears that in 2007 they changed the rules and when you sign a contract you agree to work in NJ for the same amount of years that you receive money. I think this is very unfair since IS students don't have to sign contracts with their instate schools to remain there for 4 years after the graduate in exchange for the reduced price.

 

[hopefulvet21]

New Jersey does not have its own vet school, but has "contracts" with other states to "buy" seats reserved exclusively for New Jersey residents. Funding for these seats comes from the Department if Higher Education Student Assistance Authority (HESAA). New Jersey has contract seats in 7 schools: University of Pennsylvania, Cornell University (New York), Tuskegee University (Alabama), Iowa State University, Oklahoma State University, University of Illinois, and Tufts University (Massachussetts).
(per the Rutgers website)

New Jersey no longer has contracts with all these schools thanks to budget cuts. We now only have contracts with Tufts, Oklahoma, and Tuskegee. That's it. You read the Rutgers website wrong. Those were the contract NJ schools before August 2007.

Also, being a contract state student does not increase your chances of being accepted, nor does it guarantee you the financial aid. The contract schools do not have to accept a certain number of NJ residents. And the contract with Tufts (I'm not sure about the other two) could only get you a maximum of about $7,000/annum towards tuition. The other contract states give 12,000, but NJ gives less because it sucks.

I had no idea about the financial aid being contingent upon working in NJ for however many years. You're right, that isn't fair. I'm glad I know that now because I refuse to live in NJ...I completely hate it.

 

[aussie86]

I had no idea about the financial aid being contingent upon working in NJ for however many years. You're right, that isn't fair. I'm glad I know that now because I refuse to live in NJ...I completely hate it.

I totally agree! I refuse to come back too. But if I do get it, I will view it as an interest free loan since if I get the money and don't work in NJ, you just have to pay it back. Here is the website about it. That evil part is in the last paragraph:

http://www.hesaa.org/index.php?page=veterinarian-medical-program

Oh, and regarding Tufts, they accepted 17 NJ residents and only 4 spots so I don't know how they decide who gets them.

 

[WildlifeSaver]

When I was in HS, there were a lot of schools contracted with other vet schools and 2 of them I know for sure were Penn and Cornell. Now we have like nothing..NJ👎

 

[twelvetigers]

You still have like 12 with good ol' OKSU! 😀

 

[hopefulvet21]

I totally agree! I refuse to come back too. But if I do get it, I will view it as an interest free loan since if I get the money and don't work in NJ, you just have to pay it back. Here is the website about it. That evil part is in the last paragraph:

http://www.hesaa.org/index.php?page=veterinarian-medical-program

Oh, and regarding Tufts, they accepted 17 NJ residents and only 4 spots so I don't know how they decide who gets them.

Hahaha, the "evil part"! It is evil. Hmm, regarding it as an interest free loan, I didn't think of that! Are you sure it would be interest free if you just didn't work in NJ? I think they decide who gets them strictly based on financial need.

 

[kayakman28]

Like has previously been said....NJ used to have a lot of contracts with Vet Schools. Unfortunately, due to the failed state economy (yay millions of dollars in debt!), the state can no longer afford to give us money.

I'm pretty sure for this application cycle, he only contracts left were OkSU, Tufts, and Tuskegee - but I'm not sure how "big" these contracts are...I didn't research them because I wasn't interested in those schools.......

I'm sure we'll see some of those contracts being dropped in the next few years. Yay Jersey!

 

[ckd816]

If it makes you guys feel any better, the WICHE program also requires that you return to your home state to work for however many years you receive funding (at least for Arizona, but I'm not positive on the other participants). We have contracts with 4 schools (Oregon State, Colorado State, Washington State, and UC Davis). This is how they determine who gets sponsored:
It says that the vet schools know which applicants are certified as a contract applicant, and then they rank them based off of admissions criteria. Then, the scores are sent back to the contract certifying office of each contract state and the top ranking/"most qualified" applicants are offered the aid. Then, they send the schools an alphabetized list of who would be funded if they are offered a seat. Also, there can be years where no one at all is offered aid because of budget reasons... Lovely.

So, I don't know if it is a similar procedure in NJ but I hope that helps somehow. Also, anyone correct me if my information is off! 😉

If anyone wants the link for the WICHE procedure for determining which applicants are backed, here is the link:
http://www.wiche.edu/sep/psep/HowWICHEselectsPSEPstudents.pdf

 

[smm482]

What do you expect from a state whose governor suggested doing away with the entire Department of Agriculture to help cut the deficit. I'm jersey born and raised so I can say things like this, not that it's ever stopped the rest of the states from making fun of "the armpit of America". I was told last Summer that the state had lost most of the funding once used to maintain those seats, but I didn't know specifics. Thanks aussie86 for pulling that up. My plan is to move to PA and apply as a PA resident. Based on the information about NJ's "seats", it looks like being a NJ resident has little to no advantages. The thing that I'm unclear on is whether applicants who are being considered for those seats are just competing against eachother? or the in-state pool? or the entire applicant pool? Can anyone clarify?

 

[hopefulvet21]

technically they are competing against the entire applicant pool because these schools do not HAVE to accept NJ residents. If there are no well qualified NJ residents, then they just accept other applicants and don't take the money for the contract seats. But once you've been accepted to a contract school (i.e. OKSU, Tuskegee, or Tufts) you are competing against other NJ acceptees for the financial aid. To my knowledge, it does not work like the WICHE contracts, but rather is strictly based on financial need (not 100% sure on that part though).

And I think you're right, being a NJ applicant has little to no advantages. You probably won't even get the measly $7,000/yr (which I believe is decreasing now) because they will only offer it for a select few. One of the many reasons NJ is 👎. And then they expect us to move back there to practice because of their HUGE contribution to tuition. Uhh no thanks NJ, we're not like this .

 

[hopefulvet21]

You still have like 12 with good ol' OKSU! 😀

no tornadoes for me!

jk😉

 

[twelvetigers]

Hey, after what happened last time, I'm keepin' my yap shut about tornadoes.

 

[sumstorm]

I can understand why people wouldn't want to be obligated to return to a state after completing thier education, but I don't understand why people think it is a bad practice for the state to expect some form of return on the investment. It doens't make logical sense for the finances of that state, and it doens't replicate market conditions (you're not going to get a paycheck, even a meager one, for doing nothing...or for pursueing your own desires.) I believe the thought on IS students is that they are contributing to the state economics during summers and such, and/or thier families have for some set period of time before/after school. Maybe instead of requiring a contract after, they should required it for x-weeks during, but pretty sure people wouldn't be happy with that either.

 

[hopefulvet21]

I didn't say it was a "bad practice," I understand completely that it's a return on investment. It's just that IS people don't have to agree to practicing in that state for every year they got IS tuition, and we're wishing we had the same deal as everyone else.

 

[sunnex3]

yeah i was just wondering because my roommate is from new jersey and found out last year that all the contract seats got cut 👎...but i don't think she was aware that it DOESN'T increase your chances of getting in...so thanks!

 

[No Imagination]

... not that it's ever stopped the rest of the states from making fun of "the armpit of America".

As a former NYC'er, I can confirm this - Perth Amboy specifically will always have a special spot in my heart.

But you people from Jersey are forgetting something - Thanks to NJ cutting contract seats, the average salary of a vet from Jersey is one (perhaps the) highest.

Not sure if that is before or after you factor in the ridiculous property taxes (what is it, like 10% of the homes worth per year or something astronomical like that?)

 

[GellaBella]

OMG Perth Amboy. Lived there for 2 years..I didn't know the area before I moved there. So glad I don't live there now.

Although I do go to school in Newark so...

lets just say I have made amazing friends in NJ, but I will be so happy to go back to MA when I'm done with school.

 

[lazyjayn]

Not to wander too far afield, but CKD- (and other WICHE state people) Wyoming doesn't currently require returning to practice in the state. The others you'd have to check. There is a statement of intent, tho, which say's that if you take time off, they stop paying... but I think they word it a bit more... politely.

j.