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So I've gotten a lot of feedback and I've been updating the original stats I gave out. So here is the comprehensive list! I applied to 10 schools (8 in-state). I've had 4 interview offers, turned down one OOS, attended two in state (both WL), and waiting to hear back from Baylor. (I am in-state for Texas)

- 3.55 cGPA (with a very obvious upward trend)
- 3.4 sGPA
- 30R MCAT: 9V, 10P, 11B. Kaplan course from Sep 08 to March 09, April MCAT. Took extensive notes throughout course, and studied throughout, but studied hardcore until last month and a half. Score range on practice tests: 29 – 33
- 200 hours of volunteering and 50 hours of doctor shadowing. Shadowed 6 Neurologists, an ENT, volunteered in a Cardiac Cath Lab (saw procedures), volunteered in an ER (patient contact, vitals, checked them in), volunteered in a free clinic (vitals, patient history), and volunteered with patient transport at a hospital
- ECs: Significantly the President of a large diversity group on my campus (oversee all diversity groups). I spend about 30 hrs a week on it and I have made quite a few permanent changes on campus. Looking at possible leadership awards.
- Other ECs that aren't as big - leadership positions since 1st year in one organizations (diversity related, but not as big), regular premed clubs, premed honor society, NSCS, volunteer coordinator for my hall, admissions job
- LORs: I'm positive that they were strong. I was told so by my adviser that read them all that they did not hold back my app in any way
- TMDSAS submitted mid July and was verified early August. AMCAS submitted a week later
- Interview skills: I'm a pretty confident and easy going person - probably one of my faults in my interviews is that I talk a lot and sometimes ramble because I do get a little nervous. All of them seemed liked me and we had pretty good conversation.
- Realized that interview skills might be a problem so I had 2 mock interviews before going to Baylor. Very positive feedback from both.

Questions (because I might have to reapply):
- Should I retake the MCAT?
- Should I apply to UNT post-bacc?
- What stands out as a fixable weakness in my app and how do you think I can fix it?

I'm thinking from looking at everyone's responses to send out the UNT post bacc app, and sign up to take the August MCAT. I already have a good MCAT score, and I don't see myself being able to focus during the school year (last semester senior year!) and I really want to focus so I can improve my score by a lot. Will an August MCAT hold me back if I submit my TMDSAS in June?

Thank you all for the feedback I've gotten, the comments, and the support! Please continue to let me know what you think about my situation.

There is so much personal info on this post that I feel somewhat violated, haha. But since it's throughout the thread anyways, whatever 🙂
 
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Why did you turn one interview invite offer down without an acceptance?
 
@iamxp: the school was out of state and super expensive, and it snows there a lot. I just didn't see myself there - silly, I know, but I would rather reapply than be accepted there this year. Thought I could give the interview spot to someone that wanted it more

@Catalystik: I'm a pretty confident and easy going person - probably one of my faults in my interviews is that I talk a lot and sometimes ramble because I do get a little nervous. All of them liked me and we had pretty good conversation.

I sent all the schools an update with my last semester GPA (3.74) - so it's improving. My GPA has had a solid upward trend, with a dip my second semester sophomore year but that's about it.

My school sends a composite, and I talked to my health professions adviser about my LORs holding me back. He read them all and said they weren't the problem (he's a pretty blunt and honest guy)

As for ECs - are better than ever! I've been super active on my campus and made a lot of changes related to diversity. I'm going to be a founding member of ODK this semester, and I wouldn't be surprised if I got one of the senior leader awards (not trying to brag, just want to get you guys to see the full picture). Don't have as much shadowing/ volunteering except for picking up a few volunteer shifts at the clinic I was at over the summer.
 
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-100 hours of volunteering
-50 hours of doctor shadowing
-awesome extracurriculars (highest diversity leadership position at my school)

I can't remember all my extracurriculars off the top of my head, but they're pretty good. No research though (never was interested in it)


Honest feedback: As written, your ECs are lame. Very little shadowing, which appears to be your only clinical exposure. Diversity leadership position? I realize you want to preserve giving away your identity, but if you want an honest opinion you've got to provide more to work with.

Your numbers are fine, you could retake the MCAT to really make a statement (33+), but I would guess that GPA/MCAT aren't the limiting factors to your application. Why do you want to be a doctor, and how have you thoroughly explored your commitment? A good answer to this question should make you and your mom/pops/big sis want to cry. Seriously. A bad answer will leave you with wait-lists.

Some questions: When was your primary verified? Secondaries? # schools applied? Selectivity of schools applied?



Edit: OP responded before my reply, answering a couple questions I had. Not going to erase any of my initial response.
 
the school was out of state and super expensive, and it snows there a lot. I just didn't see myself there - silly, I know, but I would rather reapply than be accepted there this year. Thought I could give the interview spot to someone that wanted it more

Why did you apply to that school in the first place? Save money! :laugh:
 
Did you apply to all of the Texas schools? What was the total number of schools applied to?

Your shadowing and volunteering, when taken together, is on the light side, minimal. I had around 500 hours volunteering, and about 50 hours shadowing. While mine is more than enough, yours is on the low side.

Your MCAT is probably not your main problem. The only reason to retake would be that you were scoring consistently in the 35+ range on practice tests and the 30 was at or below the bottom end of your practice range. However, if the 30 accurately reflected your practice scores, think twice about taking this step.

Your grades are a bigger problem than the MCAT. That low sgpa, combined with the low-ish MCAT, is killing your app.
 
Honest feedback: As written, your ECs are lame. Very little shadowing, which appears to be your only clinical exposure. Diversity leadership position? I realize you want to preserve giving away your identity, but if you want an honest opinion you've got to provide more to work with.

Your numbers are fine, you could retake the MCAT to really make a statement (33+), but I would guess that GPA/MCAT aren't the limiting factors to your application. Why do you want to be a doctor, and how have you thoroughly explored your commitment? A good answer to this question should make you and your mom/pops/big sis want to cry. Seriously. A bad answer will leave you with wait-lists.

Some questions: When was your primary verified? Secondaries? # schools applied? Selectivity of schools applied?

I submitted my TMDSAS mid July and was verified early August. I can definitely see that being a limiting factor.

As for my motivations to be a doctor - I'll admit, it's something that I didn't fully know until I applied. I wasn't never one of those "I've wanted to be a Neurosurgeon since I was 8!" kind of people so voicing my personal statement was hard. About 15 people (college students, family, English majors, book editors) look at my personal statement, and by the end it was flawless. Probably the reason why my app was in late. Looking at it now, my reasons for being a doctor have shifted a little so it will definitely be different if I reapply. I don't think that was the reason why I wasn't successful this round. I can see my nervousness at interviews being a problem perhaps

As for clinical experience - I have shadowed 6 Neurologists, an ENT, volunteered in a Cardiac Cath Lab (saw procedures), volunteered in an ER (patient contact, checked them in), volunteered in a free clinic (also checked patients in), and volunteered with patient transport at a hospital. Do I really need more?

I'm glad to hear that you think my numbers are fine, because I really don't want to do a post bacc! Thanks for the advice
 
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Did you apply to all of the Texas schools? What was the total number of schools applied to?

Your shadowing and volunteering, when taken together, is on the light side, minimal. I had around 500 hours volunteering, and about 50 hours shadowing. While mine is more than enough, yours is on the low side.

Your MCAT is probably not your main problem. The only reason to retake would be that you were scoring consistently in the 35+ range on practice tests and the 30 was at or below the bottom end of your practice range. However, if the 30 accurately reflected your practice scores, think twice about taking this step.

Your grades are a bigger problem than the MCAT. That low sgpa, combined with the low-ish MCAT, is killing your app.

I suppose it might be hours wise minimal, but I always heard it was the quality of experience that counted so I didn't think much of it... but from the feedback it sounds like I should work on it.

Applied to all the Texas schools, and 6 OOS (all private, in my stats range). Sent in 2 secondaries when I realized I didn't really want to go anywhere but TX because of the crazy tuition. And honestly, because I like TX. Since I had a better shot with TX schools anyways, I didn't put in the rest of my time.

You're right iamxp, I shouldn't have wasted my money!
 
Your stats are okay and I honestly doubt doing a lot more shadowing will improve your chances. The interviewers I had told me that after 50 hours you are good and would prefer if you did more community service. Since you had 4 interview offers I would say that your interviews are the problem. If it was stat based you would get 1 or 2 interviews.

Also a lot of waitlists start to move in April if you don't hear anything new by then I would suggest doing the postbac.
 
Honest feedback: As written, your ECs are lame. Very little shadowing, which appears to be your only clinical exposure. Diversity leadership position? I realize you want to preserve giving away your identity, but if you want an honest opinion you've got to provide more to work with.

Your numbers are fine, you could retake the MCAT to really make a statement (33+), but I would guess that GPA/MCAT aren't the limiting factors to your application. Why do you want to be a doctor, and how have you thoroughly explored your commitment? A good answer to this question should make you and your mom/pops/big sis want to cry. Seriously. A bad answer will leave you with wait-lists.

Some questions: When was your primary verified? Secondaries? # schools applied? Selectivity of schools applied?



Edit: OP responded before my reply, answering a couple questions I had. Not going to erase any of my initial response.

Not my type of advice. Dont take yourself too seriously please.


As for the OP, your GPA is low, your MCAT does not make up for it. And your if you only have one amazing diversity leadership position, it still doesnt fill the other 14 blanks on AMCAS, or n-1, where n is the total number of blanks on the TMDSAS.


(You had volunteering and shadowing, so 12 blanks and n-3)
 
Ok update - just counted the hours off my of app and it's 200+ hours. I guess I underestimated myself!

After I didn't match I got that my interview might be the problem, so before my Baylor interview I did 2 mock interviews at career services. The second one was with someone that knew the med school process really well (applied a few years back), so the interview felt pretty real. I went over the video with him and he pointed out all my good answers and bad ones (the "why you want to be a doctor" answer was the only one he said was perfect by the way)

And I could feel that my Baylor interview went great. Especially when compared to my others, which now I can see were just average. Of course, problem is my stats are waaayyyy out of Baylor's range.

Thank you all for the advice! Please continue to comment or add on to something someone else has already said.

EDIT: I think this post mostly responds to what Brigade4Radiant had to say about my interviews being my weakness. Post bacc deadline is next month though, so I'd have to think about that now
 
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Not my type of advice. Dont take yourself too seriously please.


As for the OP, your GPA is low, your MCAT does not make up for it. And your if you only have one amazing diversity leadership position, it still doesnt fill the other 14 blanks on AMCAS, or n-1, where n is the total number of blanks on the TMDSAS.


(You had volunteering and shadowing, so 12 blanks and n-3)


I definitely have other EC's - leadership positions since 1st year in one organizations (diversity related, but not as big), regular premed clubs, premed honor society, NSCS, volunteer coordinator for my 2nd year hall, admissions e-counselor job... I just didn't mention them because they're just the average ECs everyone seems to have. It was the major diversity leadership position that made me unique.

The only blank area in my app is research it seems.
 
I definitely have other EC's - leadership positions since 1st year in one organizations (diversity related, but not as big), regular premed clubs, premed honor society, NSCS, volunteer coordinator for my 2nd year hall, admissions e-counselor job... I just didn't mention them because they're just the average ECs everyone seems to have. It was the major diversity leadership position that made me unique.

The only blank area in my app is research it seems.

Really you should only be worried when April comes you are competitive.
 
I definitely have other EC's - leadership positions since 1st year in one organizations (diversity related, but not as big), regular premed clubs, premed honor society, NSCS, volunteer coordinator for my 2nd year hall, admissions e-counselor job... I just didn't mention them because they're just the average ECs everyone seems to have. It was the major diversity leadership position that made me unique.

The only blank area in my app is research it seems.


If you re read my statement carefully.

It means.

GPA X
MCAT X

EC Average.

What is missing?
GPA and MCAT.
 
Honestly, your application looks like a check-list to me, especially when you pin down your volunteering hours. When I'm looking at applications, I like to see commitment to a couple volunteering activities, with progression in responsibility. You also say that your ECs are "stellar" but really they don't stand out at all. Honor societies are worthless, by the way. Your GPA and MCAT are both low/borderline. You need to work on standing out, because right now you can bet that medical schools have thousands of applications that look just like yours. You also need to set a wider net for applications. With such an average application, applying only in Texas is extremely risky.

I would take special care with my essays, if I were you, and make sure to keep up all of your ECs this year. I'd also find some more practice for interviews, because you may be coming off poorly in interviews. To be totally and completely honest, I think you're having a severe case of being "the completely average applicant." Nothing to complain about really, everything is "good enough," but nothing really screams "accept me!"
 
If you re read my statement carefully.

It means.

GPA X
MCAT X

EC Average.

What is missing?
GPA and MCAT.

Ahh ok. Hmm well I can't really fix my gpa too much at this point by May. Giving the MCAT another shot sounds like the solution to what you're saying
 
Honestly, your application looks like a check-list to me, especially when you pin down your volunteering hours. When I'm looking at applications, I like to see commitment to a couple volunteering activities, with progression in responsibility. You also say that your ECs are "stellar" but really they don't stand out at all. Honor societies are worthless, by the way. Your GPA and MCAT are both low/borderline. You need to work on standing out, because right now you can bet that medical schools have thousands of applications that look just like yours. You also need to set a wider net for applications. With such an average application, applying only in Texas is extremely risky.

I would take special care with my essays, if I were you, and make sure to keep up all of your ECs this year. I'd also find some more practice for interviews, because you may be coming off poorly in interviews. To be totally and completely honest, I think you're having a severe case of being "the completely average applicant." Nothing to complain about really, everything is "good enough," but nothing really screams "accept me!"

Completely agree with "the completely average applicant" problem. My GPA and MCAT definitely do not stand out. My volunteering is all over the place because I really didn't know what I wanted to go into, so I was testing out a lot of things I was interested in. As for EC's, it really is hard to convey it here - but I spend about 30/40 hours a week as president of my organization and it's a pretty big deal here. I think one of my weaknesses might be not being able to convey how important this role really is, and it might contribute to why my ECs are seen as meh.

Once again, a communication problem! So for all you out there - how did you fix your interview skills? Because that seems to be the agreed upon weakness
 
How the hell can being the president of a career center be 30-40 hours?
 
How the hell can being the president of a career center be 30-40 hours?

Haha no I'm president of the largest diversity organization on my campus - I kind of "manage" all the diversity organizations

And I've been going to the career center since I didn't match - so I'll continue that 👍
 
So I need some honest feedback at this point in the application cycle, because my chances don't look so good. My stats are as follows:
-3.55 cGPA
-3.4 sGPA
-30 MCAT
-100 hours of volunteering
-50 hours of doctor shadowing
-awesome extracurriculars (highest diversity leadership position at my school)
-Asian aka not a minority!
-in state for texas

I can't remember all my extracurriculars off the top of my head, but they're pretty good. No research though (never was interested in it)

4 interview offers, turned one down OOS.
- 2 WL
- Just interviewed at Baylor and waiting to hear back

At this point should I just accept that I need to retake the MCAT? Or should I apply to the post-bacc program at UNT?

Any and all advice would be appreciated!! Thank you 🙂

You need legit clinical experience (not doctor shadowing). Time as a Patient Care Technician or Medical Tech of some sort would show that you have gotten your hands dirty.
 
I agree with the above post you need some legit clinical experience, also did you apply to TCOM because your numbers would fit there perfectly?
 
You need legit clinical experience (not doctor shadowing). Time as a Patient Care Technician or Medical Tech of some sort would show that you have gotten your hands dirty.

How exactly would I get clinical experience like that? Would I need training/ certification?

Also - I didn't apply to TCOM. I didn't really know what Osteopathic medicine was last year, so I thought it would be easier not to apply. My premed adviser told me with my stats I'd get into TX, and I think that made me a little too confident. Obviously a bad idea 🙁
 
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If a 30 is your avg MCAT score, I would say do the post-bacc at TCOM to pull up your GPA while improving your clinical experience. It is easier to pull up the GPA to 3.7 then to raise a MCAT score by 2~3 points... my personal opinion.

Also is your MCAT subscore really balance or skewed?
 
If a 30 is your avg MCAT score, I would say do the post-bacc at TCOM to pull up your GPA while improving your clinical experience. It is easier to pull up the GPA to 3.7 then to raise a MCAT score by 2~3 points... my personal opinion.

Also is your MCAT subscore really balance or skewed?

I "studied studied" for my MCAT for a little over a month (I was reading and writing out notes for about 7 months though) so I don't know if I could have done my "focused" studying for longer.

My MCAT was pretty balanced. 9V, 10P, 11B. Writing R
 
How exactly would I get clinical experience like that? Would I need training/ certification?

Also - I didn't apply to TCOM. I didn't really know what Osteopathic medicine was last year, so I thought it would be easier not to apply. My premed advisor told me with my stats I'd get into TX, and I think that made me a little too confident. Obviously a bad idea 🙁

Alot of folks I know worked as an ER tech. Get plenty of hands on experience....:laugh:
 
OP:

So you applied to 13 schools, but really only pursued the 7 instate schools? That is simply not enough - your stats are mediocre, and your ECs are at best average if not below average. You should have applied to more schools and followed through with secondaries and interviews. Turning down interviews when you don't have an acceptance is crazy.

You needed a much stronger MCAT score to offset your poor sgpa, yet you only prepped for a month? Again, not nearly enough effort, and the result did not help your app. The average applicant preps intensely for the MCAT for 2 to 3 months...did you take any of the AAMC practice exams? If yes, what were your practice scores?

Lack of research is not the problem. And chances are the interview is not your chief problem. But your low GPA, combined with a low-ish MCAT, along with a relatively late app to too few schools, is the problem.

Despite all the mistakes and problems with your app, you may still get an acceptance this cycle.
 
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No offense, but how did you get an interview at Baylor. I am not trying to be offensive, but I thought Baylor only interviewed kids with really high gpas/mcats.


I am just curious, because I am noob in the pre-med stuff. 🙂
 
OP:

So you applied to 13 schools, but really only pursued the 7 instate schools? That is simply not enough - your stats are mediocre, and your ECs are at best average if not below average. You should have applied to more schools and followed through with secondaries and interviews. Turning down interviews when you don't have an acceptance is crazy.

You needed a much stronger MCAT score to offset your poor sgpa, yet you only prepped for a month? Again, not nearly enough effort, and the result did not help your app. The average applicant preps intensely for the MCAT for 2 to 3 months...did you take any of the AAMC practice exams? If yes, what were your practice scores?

Lack of research is not the problem. And chances are the interview is not your chief problem. But your low GPA, combined with a low-ish MCAT, along with a relatively late app to too few schools, is the problem.

Despite all the mistakes and problems with your app, you may still get an acceptance this cycle.


But he studied for 7months!!!
 
So I need some honest feedback at this point in the application cycle, because my chances don't look so good. My stats are as follows:
-3.55 cGPA
-3.4 sGPA
-30 MCAT
-100 hours of volunteering
-50 hours of doctor shadowing
-awesome extracurriculars (highest diversity leadership position at my school)
-Asian aka not a minority!
-in state for texas

I can't remember all my extracurriculars off the top of my head, but they're pretty good. No research though (never was interested in it)

4 interview offers, turned one down OOS.
- 2 WL
- Just interviewed at Baylor and waiting to hear back

At this point should I just accept that I need to retake the MCAT? Or should I apply to the post-bacc program at UNT?

Any and all advice would be appreciated!! Thank you 🙂


Your grades, MCAT, average ECs and interviews could be the problem. If you received 4 interviews out of 7 (and including Baylor), chances are that your soft-factors were enough to outweigh your numbers. However with those numbers, your interviewing skills need to be exceptional (and not just good) to be admitted. Waitlists do move, so prepare to send a bunch of LOI. If this cycle does not workout, retake the MCAT, more ECs and work on your interviewing, and apply to more schools.
 
To respond to the last few posts...

I never thought I was limiting myself by only applying in-state. My stats fit a lot of my state schools, and TX is pretty good to its residents. Even though I already put in the primaries for the out of state schools, I thought it wasn't worth the money for secondaries and the money to fly out to the schools when I was less likely to get in there (plus tuition for private med schools = ridiculous)

And honestly I have no idea how I got my Baylor interview. I sent in my Fall grades in December with an application "update" so maybe that helped. I agree that my stats don't fit Baylor - I'm pretty sure my unique ECs got me the interview! I definitely plan to send in a LOI - I loved Baylor, and I know that I need whatever edge I can get. What exactly does a LOI entail normally?

There seems to be a lot of confusion because I've posted all over this thread so I'm going to go through it and anything related to my app/stats I'm going to include in my first post so that my first post is more comprehensive! Maybe that'll fix some of the confusion.

Once again, thank you all for your comments and advice! There seems to be a lot of conflicting advice, which I think it just shows that there are many different ways for my app to become stronger.
 
I think you should go ahead and apply for the TCOM post-bacc (how espensive is that program?), then if you get accepted off a waitlist you don't need to do the post-bacc. To tell you the truth, I would ask the schools for input about why you weren't accepted. With your stats, EC's, etc. I would have expected you to get in somewhere in TX. This really sounds like an 'avg applicant' problem, mostly because I just can't find anything blatantly wrong with your app.

And I don't fault you for not pursuing many schools out of state- I only applied to 3 through AMCAS and one of them was Baylor.

@vandyfootball- when you see a school accepts people with an average MCAT of ~35, this means that there are people above and below that number. The people below usually make up for a lower MCAT with awesome GPA, life experiences, etc.

Good luck MDtobe!
 
I think you should go ahead and apply for the TCOM post-bacc (how espensive is that program?), then if you get accepted off a waitlist you don't need to do the post-bacc. To tell you the truth, I would ask the schools for input about why you weren't accepted. With your stats, EC's, etc. I would have expected you to get in somewhere in TX. This really sounds like an 'avg applicant' problem, mostly because I just can't find anything blatantly wrong with your app.

And I don't fault you for not pursuing many schools out of state- I only applied to 3 through AMCAS and one of them was Baylor.

@vandyfootball- when you see a school accepts people with an average MCAT of ~35, this means that there are people above and below that number. The people below usually make up for a lower MCAT with awesome GPA, life experiences, etc.

Good luck MDtobe!

After all the feedback, I agree - I should apply to the post bacc as backup. The reason I was holding back was because my adviser told me not to because it wouldn't really help my situation, and I've heard from some people that my stats might be too good for the program?

So when I contact the schools for input about my app should I ask for e-mail feedback, or over the phone feedback? I'm planning on doing that next week and trying to guage from there what I can put in my LOI that might offsets some of the concerns the schools might have.
 
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I'm curious as to why you didn't apply to osteopathic schools, since you have pretty average stats and don't seem to be interested in research? I think the fact that you managed all the cultural groups on campus is somewhat unique and speaks to your character. DO schools tend to appreciate those sorts of things.
 
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By the time I started to apply I realized that DO had requirements I hadn't filled, so I thought it wouldn't make much of a difference if I didn't apply to TCOM. Though if I have to apply next round, I definitely plan to apply DO.

Thanks everyone for the advice. I called up one of my schools, and they told me that the dean preferred that my adviser call/e-mail him. So I contacted my adviser and he contacted the schools and told me that I was so successful with on-campus community organizing that it highlighted the limited off-campus contributions - and he said the concern was phrased in a way that did acknowledge the quality of my service on campus.

So my lack of regular community service is what's limiting me at one school, still haven't heard back from the other.
 
Maybe I missed this somewhere in ur posts, but did u ever get any post-interview feedback from one of ur four interviews? How well do u think u interviewed?

Despite the above posts about gpa/mcat/ECs u managed to land 4 interviews out of 10 apps, a 40% interview rate is impressive. Furthermore, statistically one gets an acceptance for every 3 interviews, so did u not connect in ur interviews??

My concerns are with ur interviewing skills, so it'll be helpful improve this for next cycle and definitely apply to more schools.

GL
 
Maybe I missed this somewhere in ur posts, but did u ever get any post-interview feedback from one of ur four interviews? How well do u think u interviewed?

Despite the above posts about gpa/mcat/ECs u managed to land 4 interviews out of 10 apps, a 40% interview rate is impressive. Furthermore, statistically one gets an acceptance for every 3 interviews, so did u not connect in ur interviews??

My concerns are with ur interviewing skills, so it'll be helpful improve this for next cycle and definitely apply to more schools.

GL

The only feedback I've gotten from schools concerning my app is the one I posted above about not having enough community service. I didn't know if I could get specific interview feedback

Honestly, I never thought interviews would be my problem. I'm confident, outgoing, and pretty talkative and personable. I do get a little nervous during interviews which leads to some rambling, but I seriously don't think that should put me that far back.
 
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