non anonymous peer assessment

[hyperchicken]

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hello everyone...I'm technically new to this forum in terms of posting but I've been lurking here for years. I'm currently in a quandary, my school is going to make us write non-anonymous peer assessments of our anatomy lab members (well I guess it would be hard to make them anonymous). One of the members of the group is very insufferable to work with and a very negative and controlling person while in lab (I'm not the only person in my group who thinks this). Outside of lab this person is nice (during casual social interactions). I'm afraid if I tell the truth I'm going to "make it weird" for the rest of the looooong semester that I have to be in lab with this person. Has anybody been in the same situation? Anyone have any advice?

thanks!

 

[neusu]

hello everyone...I'm technically new to this forum in terms of posting but I've been lurking here for years. I'm currently in a quandary, my school is going to make us write non-anonymous peer assessments of our anatomy lab members (well I guess it would be hard to make them anonymous). One of the members of the group is very insufferable to work with and a very negative and controlling person while in lab (I'm not the only person in my group who thinks this). Outside of lab this person is nice (during casual social interactions). I'm afraid if I tell the truth I'm going to "make it weird" for the rest of the looooong semester that I have to be in lab with this person. Has anybody been in the same situation? Anyone have any advice?

thanks!

Haven't been in the situation. A frank discussion with you and your tank-mates might be in order prior to any assessments. You owe it to him/her to allow for correction of the bad behavior. Not saying anything and dinging him/her on the evaluation would be passive aggressive. I realize confrontation is not most medical professionals' forte, yet this is a situation wherein a direct interaction is indicated.

 

[hyperchicken]

thanks for the fast reply, direct confrontation was what I was afraid it would have to come down to (true to my screen name, I am quite the chicken). But I think it will be for this person's own good (better for it to happen in M1 anatomy than further down the line).

 

[cbrons]

hello everyone...I'm technically new to this forum in terms of posting but I've been lurking here for years. I'm currently in a quandary, my school is going to make us write non-anonymous peer assessments of our anatomy lab members (well I guess it would be hard to make them anonymous). One of the members of the group is very insufferable to work with and a very negative and controlling person while in lab (I'm not the only person in my group who thinks this). Outside of lab this person is nice (during casual social interactions). I'm afraid if I tell the truth I'm going to "make it weird" for the rest of the looooong semester that I have to be in lab with this person. Has anybody been in the same situation? Anyone have any advice?

thanks!

Don't put anything down or refuse to do it. Don't lie but don't do it. In med school, a lot of "evaluations" are non-anonymous even if they say they aren't as many people on here will attest during their 3rd/4th years

Haven't been in the situation. A frank discussion with you and your tank-mates might be in order prior to any assessments. You owe it to him/her to allow for correction of the bad behavior. Not saying anything and dinging him/her on the evaluation would be passive aggressive. I realize confrontation is not most medical professionals' forte, yet this is a situation wherein a direct interaction is indicated.

whats a tank mate? I've heard this before, I still dont know what it means.

 

[sindadel]

Don't be a dick. If your partner sucks, you need to bring it up. Yes, it is awkward, but essential. A teammate and I had a frank chat with another teammate about his professionalism and it was fine in the end.

 

[evilbooyaa]

If it bothers you, tell the person. Making it sound like everything is fine then destroying his eval (even if it was anonymous) is pretty passive aggressive.

In my anatomy group we had one person come perpetually late and generally slack pretty hard when he/she was there. I didn't really care though b/c the 4 of us that were dissecting didn't need another set of hands or any help with the process. It hurt that student in the end in terms of her final grade.

 

[hyperchicken]

Yeah I'm most likely going to first meet with my other groupmates and then we'll talk to the person in question before any of the assessments are submitted....no dickishness is intended on my part especially because I'm in several small groups with this person in other classes so it would just be awkward to bring it up like that and still have to interact with him/her. I should really just stop worrying so much about it, it's not my fault that this person acts like this, and I'll probably meet more gunnerish type A students as I advance through school and residency so it will be good to learn how to deal with them and when to pick my battles.

 

[Textbookversion]

Sounds like your lab partner will make a great future surgeon.

I'd just laugh at the situation and draw a smiley face on the eval but I'm not a pansy.

 

[killinsound]

2x

 

[killinsound]

Yeah I'm most likely going to first meet with my other groupmates and then we'll talk to the person in question before any of the assessments are submitted....no dickishness is intended on my part especially because I'm in several small groups with this person in other classes so it would just be awkward to bring it up like that and still have to interact with him/her. I should really just stop worrying so much about it, it's not my fault that this person acts like this, and I'll probably meet more gunnerish type A students as I advance through school and residency so it will be good to learn how to deal with them and when to pick my battles.

Why don't you just man up and talk to him yourself. Bring him aside after lab and tell him. Don't put it in his eval. Don't get your other labmates to gang up on him. Just tell it to him straight and respectfully.

 

[hyperchicken]

Why don't you just man up and talk to him yourself. Bring him aside after lab and tell him. Don't put it in his eval. Don't get your other labmates to gang up on him. Just tell it to him straight and respectfully.

I don't want to put anything bad in the eval. The one on one talk as opposed to the group talk is a valid consideration, I didnt think of the group talk as a "gang up" but I could see how it could be perceived as one.

 

[TAWS]

I think writing evals for anatomy lab is pointless because you will never be in such a situation again after you finish anatomy.

 

[music2doc]

I don't want to put anything bad in the eval. The one on one talk as opposed to the group talk is a valid consideration, I didnt think of the group talk as a "gang up" but I could see how it could be perceived as one.

Seriously, pull this guy to the side and, in private, let him know your concerns. Involving the rest of the group is kind of low to begin with and dinging someone on an eval without even letting them know there was an issue (and giving the person an opportunity to fix the problem) is just plain not cool. Let him know how you feel (not what he is "doing" to you). If he is ready, give him clear examples and indicate what you would like to see changed but don't force anything. If he's not ready to hear it, he's not ready to hear it.

 

[hyperchicken]

Seriously, pull this guy to the side and, in private, let him know your concerns. Involving the rest of the group is kind of low to begin with and dinging someone on an eval without even letting them know there was an issue (and giving the person an opportunity to fix the problem) is just plain not cool. Let him know how you feel (not what he is "doing" to you). If he is ready, give him clear examples and indicate what you would like to see changed but don't force anything. If he's not ready to hear it, he's not ready to hear it.

I didn't really involve my other groupmates in this as this person did it on his/her own by being a dick to everyone in the group equally...to the point where when this person leaves the tank for any reason we all say to each other that we need to do something about the behavior. I think I've just elected myself to be the one who talks to the person because I was the one bothered by it enough to post about it on an anonymous Internet forum. Haha! But perhaps I should let my other groupmates know what I'm doing so they don't jump in right away with a negative evaluation of the person.

 

[Textbookversion]

I didn't really involve my other groupmates in this as this person did it on his/her own by being a dick to everyone in the group equally...to the point where when this person leaves the tank for any reason we all say to each other that we need to do something about the behavior. I think I've just elected myself to be the one who talks to the person because I was the one bothered by it enough to post about it on an anonymous Internet forum. Haha! But perhaps I should let my other groupmates know what I'm doing so they don't jump in right away with a negative evaluation of the person.

I just don't understand this behavior. You are an adult. When a peer or colleague says something mean, you don't have to gossip and cry in the corner and then try to passive aggressively address it. You are allowed to directly respond to something.

For example, your group member makes a mean comment. You can say, "Wow, that was out of line" or "I don't appreciate being spoken to that way" or "Is there something wrong? You seem kind of downbeat today" or "I'm sorry, is that a pet peeve of yours, because your response seems kind of disproportionate to the offense" or "I find it hurtful when you say stuff like that" ETC ETC

There are about a hundred ways you can say "hey, I don't like it when you do that, please stop" while still maintaining a professional relationship.

 

[Aclamity]

Yeah I'd refrain from putting anything negative in the eval. Talking to him (even with your labmates as a group) is far better than putting it down on paper and letting the "higher-ups" see it, as it could come back to bite him in the arse 4 years from now if it shows up in his dean's letter or something. Not saying it would, but why take the chance and unnecessarily involve other people? Especially if this guy is a decent dude outside the lab, he may not even realize he's being irritating in lab. No sense trying to hurt him this early on in the game.

 

[hyperchicken]

I just don't understand this behavior. You are an adult. When a peer or colleague says something mean, you don't have to gossip and cry in the corner and then try to passive aggressively address it. You are allowed to directly respond to something.

For example, your group member makes a mean comment. You can say, "Wow, that was out of line" or "I don't appreciate being spoken to that way" or "Is there something wrong? You seem kind of downbeat today" or "I'm sorry, is that a pet peeve of yours, because your response seems kind of disproportionate to the offense" or "I find it hurtful when you say stuff like that" ETC ETC

There are about a hundred ways you can say "hey, I don't like it when you do that, please stop" while still maintaining a professional relationship.

I mean we have advocated for ourselves in lab ( in positive ways to try to keep everything flowing smoothly in lab), but this person seems to be oblivious to these small hints. So It was inevitable that someone would have to talk to this person, I'm trying to stop being passive aggressive (I'm kind of shy by nature) and it's this thread is giving me the confidence to do it.

 

[seelee]

Personal experience:

One of our deans had the brilliant idea to have the students evaluate each others professionalism anonymously during second year. Never mind the fact that we had only interacted in the classroom and never had worked with each other in an actual "professional atmosphere".

On each of my evals I wrote about the person's strong suits, or that I hadn't worked with them enough to evaluate them effectively.

Most of the people in the class took it as an opportunity to bash a classmate without having to show their face.

A lot of feelings where hurt and a lot of goodwill that had existed in the class prior evaporated because now people were suspicious of everyone.

Talk to your tankmate. Don't make a big deal about it, just say "Hey man, we all like you, but when you do "X" it gets on our nerves. Could you lay off?" If he starts bitching then just back off. Either way, I wouldn't put anything bad in his eval.