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I am a non nurse; I am an occupational therapist and I have a masters degree in OT. I have a strong "conditions" background and I have taken nearly all of the pre-req courses required for PA programs.

I understand that there are NP programs designed for non nursing degree holders: do you think this is worth it for me from a money and time stand point? I am committed to patient wellness and rehabilitation (hence why I am an OT) but I am strongly interested in diagnosing and treating conditions, not to mention the increase in pay which would accompany an NP degree. I have worked in psych settings and I would like to be a NP in this setting I am rather sure.

Critical thinker here, and very open to hearing the views of veteran nurses about my choices.

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If you want to work in psyche, then you definitely want to be an NP. Psyche NPs in my region can easily start at above $130k, and my friends started their first jobs higher than that, so it’s not just what I hear in passing. But psyche PAs in my area make what other PAs make, which is around $90k to start, and they have to work under a supervising physician. The PA career has a built in boss that takes a cut of everything, and passes along what they think is fair for you.


The PA route would be faster for you, and you’d have latitude to jump around to different specialties, if that’s important to you. In most other jobs outside of psyche, NPs make around the same wages as PAs. Getting an FNP would give you the most broad latitude to land in different specialties similar to what PAs have... family practice, urgent care, specialty clinics, etc.


The fastest way to become an NP would involve a jump into what’s called a direct entry NP program. These programs are typically spendy, but as compared to PA programs, they can cost around the same. The first year or so, you work towards an RN, and then from there you continue on to get your NP. Some programs allow you to veer out at the RN checkpoint if you wanted to. These programs are on campus affairs, so you’ll need to plan on relocating to one. The ones I had looked at in the past were about 3 years. The reason for the requirement to get the RN along the way is simply the fact that you have to have an RN license to become an NP. Some folks in those programs work as an RN while they complete the rest of the NP portion.


I thought OTs made around $115k per year easy? Why take the financial hit to retool? If you wanted to make the jump to being a PA or NP, I honestly don’t think it would be worth it unless you decided to become a psyche NP... the wages just aren’t typically high enough to justify another $100k debt plus all the lost income along the way. Becoming an NP can be really cost effective if you go to a cheap RN school to get your nursing degree, then work while you study towards your NP, but the trade off is that can take a bit more time than doing PA. There are ways to go fairly fast by getting an accelerated BSN in a one year program, then rolling directly into an NP program. That path could be as short as 3 years, and less of a strain on finances.
 
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I thought OTs made around $115k per year easy? Why take the financial hit to retool? If you wanted to make the jump to being a PA or NP, I honestly don’t think it would be worth it unless you decided to become a psyche NP... the wages just aren’t typically high enough to justify another $100k debt plus all the lost income along the way. Becoming an NP can be really cost effective if you go to a cheap RN school to get your nursing degree, then work while you study towards your NP, but the trade off is that can take a bit more time than doing PA. There are ways to go fairly fast by getting an accelerated BSN in a one year program, then rolling directly into an NP program. That path could be as short as 3 years, and less of a strain on finances.

115! Easy? Hhaha. You can make 100k but it sure as heck isn't easy. I work for a contract company in a school setting now and I make $50 an hour, 9 months a year. I get 3 sick days a year, and during breaks like Christmas I don't get paid. If I work during summers I can peak into the 100k range. It's not easy. I'm not willing to sacrifice my weekends but if I did I could pull in more money at like 65$ an hour for that weekend work. NP wages are definitely higher than OT salary; we tend to over around the 80k mark nearly identical to PTs.

The accelerated BSN program + a NP program really sounds good to me.
 
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You can do it. I didn't do anything health related and decided to become a NP one day. I went the RN route first, because I was geographically mobile, maintaining my first career until I started NP/grad school.

I've already made over 200k this year as a psych NP although I'm an anomaly. I'm on the fence about changing jobs and will make less, but I'll also work a heck of a lot less.

Unless you're going to make a lot more money I wouldn't make the career move. Diagnosing and all that isn't as glorious as some make out. The new wear off after about six months.

You make a considerable amount more than I do. I'm really tempted to do the NP route now. It just adds up. My biggest challenge is my fear of Math. I can do it. I have crossed so many hurdles in OT school. BTW, my best friend is a nurse, and I have immense respect for what you guys do. OTs and Nurses tend to get along really well. We have a sometimes strange relationship with our fraternal twin field PT.
 
You make a considerable amount more than I do. I'm really tempted to do the NP route now. It just adds up. My biggest challenge is my fear of Math. I can do it. I have crossed so many hurdles in OT school. BTW, my best friend is a nurse, and I have immense respect for what you guys do. OTs and Nurses tend to get along really well. We have a sometimes strange relationship with our fraternal twin field PT.

Being a psych NP is great and salaries 150-200k are fairly common unless you live in an area with very low pay. I did a direct entry program and it worked great for me. There are many, many scholarship opportunities for psych NPs as well. You can also work as an RN per diem while studying to be a psych NP - this can make school substantially cheaper than PA school. My only caveat is make sure that you are passionate about psychiatry. If it's not your thing you'll be miserable. Everything becomes rote after time. What would you rather treat - your 150th nomcompliant diabetic or 150th patient with treatment-resistant depression or decompensated schizophrenia?
 
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Being a psych NP is great and salaries 150-200k are fairly common unless you live in an area with very low pay. I did a direct entry program and it worked great for me. There are many, many scholarship opportunities for psych NPs as well. You can also work as an RN per diem while studying to be a psych NP - this can make school substantially cheaper than PA school. My only caveat is make sure that you are passionate about psychiatry. If it's not your thing you'll be miserable. Everything becomes rote after time. What would you rather treat - your 150th nomcompliant diabetic or 150th patient with treatment-resistant depression or decompensated schizophrenia?

Wow - that's a huge pay increase from OT. I currently clock in at 80k. Money isn't everything; I feel that I make a difference in the lives of the children I treat. I don't have kids of my own, and I learned that I want kids because of how inspired I have become when I see them work to overcome or accommodate the challenges they have. Love my job. I love learning about conditions, etiology, prognosis etc. I love mental health, was a psych major, and I know compliance is a major problem....I'm also into public health, so I cast a wide net.

I think I am gonna chase that NP degree! What a great forum here 😉
 
Quick Question for you guys & gals:

Will the issue of experience be a major impediment as a non nurse? Some programs - like the one I found at UW - Seattle - puts you on track to get the BSN then the NP degree. How hard will it be to get a job without much experience? I am completely mobile (no kids, and I don't mind traveling) - my friend told me about an RN she knows without much experience who can't find a job.
 
Hello. There are now many direct-entry NP programs for non-nurses. These are also very grueling. You would have one year to obtain a BSN equivalent and then take the NCLEX to obtain your RN. Then 2 years of MSN training to be a PMHNP. There is a severe shortage of mental health providers and many opportunities for a PMHNP or PA. With regard to cost, that will depend on the school. There are many scholarship programs, both state and federal (Nurse Corps, NHSC). For example, if you win a Nurse Corps scholarship, they will pay 100% of your tuition, along with a small living stipend, in return for 2 to 4 years of public service after graduation, depending on the length of your scholarship. The public service consists of serving in an underserved area, which could be an inner city, small town, or rural area. After fulfilling your public service, you are also eligible to apply for loan repayment at the state or federal level if you work in an underserved area. Starting salary for a PMHNP is usually $130K to $150K, depending on the location and type of work (inpatient vs outpatient). I live in California, and the medically underserved areas include some gorgeous locations in northeast California, in the Sierra Nevada foothills. These places will actually pay your more than you can make in the big cities and the cost of living is way less. Good luck.
 
Experience wise, don’t sweat it too much. So many factors come dodown to location and how competitive the market is. There are studies that show that a new grad with token experience performs as well as a provider with a lot of RN experience. I’m not going to argue the merits of that line of thinking, but I will suggest that because being a provider is a different job than being an RN, that might explain how RN experience might not be as critical to success as some might insist.

I have a couple friends that have done OT, and it actually sounds fairly grueling. I don’t imagine that you will find the academic difficulty of nursing to be overwhelming for you given the demands that you’ve already faced in OT school. However, you should brace yourself for nursing academia quirks... like the part where they make things much harder than they need to be, and wield petty behavior towards nursing students on a regular basis. I could elaborate if you want, but for the sake of brevity, I’ll just say that you should expect the hardest part of nursing school to not be the material, bury navigating the guantlet of faculty members who tend to have control issues. You probably will have to adjust down your expectations of being treated like a professional because nursing education (for at least the RN portion) will feel like being treated like a child. Just roll with it, because the end result will overshadow what it took to get through nursing school. I’ll leave it at that unless you have any specific questions. I’ve found NP school to be much better by far than RN training. I didn’t do an accelerated direct entry NP program, so I could be wrong about how that would go for you.

From the what I’ve heard, folks coming out of direct entry NP programs fare pretty well in the job market. I don’t personally know many DE Nps, but a lot of folks on forums that graduated from them have good things to say. Typically the rigor is such that they stand out, and the programs seem to take into account that their students are making a new career for themselves and teach accordingly.

Psyche NPs are in such demand that simply being competent pretty much guarantees there will be plenty of work waiting for you. I haven’t graduated quite yet, and have job offers.... tentative at this stage, but realistic invitations to come on board once I’m done. I have friends farther ahead than me that have been offered jobs at every place they applied too, as well as every place they did their clinical hours at. Nobody is getting offers as high as $200k, but the lowest I’ve heard is $115k, and for that low, there simply wont be any takers. But these offers of $130k+ are offers to new grads... I would expect that experience will allow for even better wages.

If you are mobile like you say, you will have so much going for you. I wouldn’t worry too much.

Now, direct entry can be spendy, but in return you will be able to move faster through the journey. Something to think about. I wouldn’t go into debt $200k or anything, but some things are worth it, especially if you know there are wages waiting for you that will make up for it. Psyche Np might be such place where you will make the kind of money to pay off $100k fairly easy.

I actually see this working out well for you, if only because I tend to respect what it takes to become an OT, and figure that makes for a promising start to being focus on finding a direct path to becoming an NP. I wouldn’t dwell any longer than absolutely necessary as an RN, because that is quickly becoming a complete dead end. It’s been good to me, and it can for you, but if there are two ways to get to the place that will make you satisfied, take the shorter route if it’s cost effeftive (and consider the cost of missing out on income).
 
Oh, and don’t worry about math unless it’s a specific prereq they look hard at. We don’t do much math. RN school will have some calculations for drugs and stuff, and you usually have to pass that stuff with a high score, but it’s not calculus... it’s like conversions and simple stuff that you can do on the back of a latex glove. Believe me, if math played heavily into this NP journey for me, I’d have a lot of catching up to do myself.
 
I would love to chat with you via PM / email. I'm pretty much in the same exact position as you, love mental health, did a mental health rotation, but found the opportunities for psych OT lacking, and what it was a bit different than what I thought it to be. Am currently looking at psych NP / PA / possibly exploring psych OT a bit further.
 
I too am interested in pursuing a psych NP degree because I’m interested in the field and the pay sounds amazing. I’m in OT school right now, and want to pursue the NP degree after I finish OT school. What direct entry masters programs would you guys recommend? I’m a little worried bc I’ve read on the Psychiatry forum that Psych NP classes don’t really teach students all of the material they will need to know to be successful when treating people with psych disorders. Also, r psych NP’s often bossed around by doctors on the job? I understand that I will need a good mentor, but I am hoping that I will learn a lot of what I will need to know in school. And are NP’s respected by other med professionals? My aunt who is a doctor would always talk about how overpaid NPs are and how their education doesn’t prepare them to work in the real world. I still really want to pursue an NP degree. I kinda wish I wasn’t in school right now so that I could tale all of the Pre-reqs classes for NP school. Thanks everyone!
 
Ugh...So is your aunt of the opinion that an NP that does the same work that she does a lot of the time get paid a lot less than her (because currently physicians tend to make a lot more than Nps)? If she is producing more than an NP, then sure, more compensation should be coming her way based on that. If she’s in surgery, which is something NPs can’t do, then there’s a premium to be paid for her education and training. But if she just wants to be the arbiter of where healthcare dollars go, I’d just suggest she mind her own business. She can think whatever she wants, but if an Np is out diagnosing illness and doing an adequate job of it (which studies show they do), then NPs are earning their wages too. Most NPs I know have a difficult time cracking $140k per year, and most non psyche Nps I know make under $130k per year. Most physicians easily make double that. So what kind of money does she think would be fair for an NP to pull in? $110k per year? I could make that much working a bit of overtime as an RN. I’m not going to sacrifice 3 day RN workweeks with a lot less responsibility than an Np carries without some sort of premium. And the money NPs bring in is significant enough to justify their work and still pay them well. So your aunt would like NPs to hand over more money that they earned to her when she hasn’t earned it? Just because she is there and exists? Forget her.

Here’s the thing.... cost cutting is coming to physician wages in short order.... I predict within 10 years we will have dramatic, unprecedented changes to the lucrative nature of the current status quo for them. In my mind, this will be a bad development that will disincentivise talented students from taking on the significant burden that a medical school pathway demands. I’m all for them making money. They work hard for it. But as society turns on achievers, prodded by folks who claim that those that have achieved things are unduly privileged, you will see the mob come for physicians to cut them down to size. I think the transition will be justified by the mob by having medical school tuition graciously donated by the state and a stipend provided. Then after that, the government will own graduates and call the shots, especially on physician wages (which really isn’t the big driver of healthcare costs that corporate healthcare wants everyone to believe). The push will then be to provide physicians with their initial education debt free, prestige, a decent retirement plan, benefits, job security, and a decent steady income, maybe a work schedule that isn’t taxing, time off with 36 hour work weeks, etc. In return, they won’t have an outlet for pursuing the large payouts you see for those using their talents to grow a thriving practice. Currently, there are plenty of physicians who would take an offer for that kind of deal. Corporate healthcare entities would absolutely love to profit off of that kind of structure. NPs are not the enemy of physicians. They are a small fraction of the healthcare landscape compared to physician numbers.

What psyche Boards are you reading? Are they psychiatrist boards or psyche NP boards? There will be a difference.

Not enough physicians are willing to go into psyche because they are gravitating to more lucrative specialties that have less stigma of dealing with the mentally ill. They have bills to pay, I understand that. NPs are stepping up to make it so folks don’t have to wait 2 months to be seen by a provider or else settle for seeing a general practice doctor. That’s what is making psyche a lucrative path for NPs at the moment.

Read through the posts here because they contain valuable information to help you decide what to do. Direct entry Np isn’t cheap, and I imagine with your OT school, you will have a bit of debt to your name after it’s all said and done. You may be better suited for PA school.
 
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Ugh...So is your aunt of the opinion that an NP that does the same work that she does a lot of the time get paid a lot less than her (because currently physicians tend to make a lot more than Nps)? If she is producing more than an NP, then sure, more compensation should be coming her way based on that. If she’s in surgery, which is something NPs can’t do, then there’s a premium to be paid for her education and training. But if she just wants to be the arbiter of where healthcare dollars go, I’d just suggest she mind her own business. She can think whatever she wants, but if an Np is out diagnosing illness and doing an adequate job of it (which studies show they do), then NPs are earning their wages too. Most NPs I know have a difficult time cracking $140k per year, and most non psyche Nps I know make under $130k per year. Most physicians easily make double that. So what kind of money does she think would be fair for an NP to pull in? $110k per year? I could make that much working a bit of overtime as an RN. I’m not going to sacrifice 3 day RN workweeks with a lot less responsibility than an Np carries without some sort of premium. And the money NPs bring in is significant enough to justify their work and still pay them well. So your aunt would like NPs to hand over more money that they earned to her when she hasn’t earned it? Just because she is there and exists? Forget her.

Here’s the thing.... cost cutting is coming to physician wages in short order.... I predict within 10 years we will have dramatic, unprecedented changes to the lucrative nature of the current status quo for them. In my mind, this will be a bad development that will disincentivise talented students from taking on the significant burden that a medical school pathway demands. I’m all for them making money. They work hard for it. But as society turns on achievers, prodded by folks who claim that those that have achieved things are unduly privileged, you will see the mob come for physicians to cut them down to size. I think the transition will be justified by the mob by having medical school tuition graciously donated by the state and a stipend provided. Then after that, the government will own graduates and call the shots, especially on physician wages (which really isn’t the big driver of healthcare costs that corporate healthcare wants everyone to believe). The push will then be to provide physicians with their initial education debt free, prestige, a decent retirement plan, benefits, job security, and a decent steady income, maybe a work schedule that isn’t taxing, time off with 36 hour work weeks, etc. In return, they won’t have an outlet for pursuing the large payouts you see for those using their talents to grow a thriving practice. Currently, there are plenty of physicians who would take an offer for that kind of deal. Corporate healthcare entities would absolutely love to profit off of that kind of structure. NPs are not the enemy of physicians. They are a small fraction of the healthcare landscape compared to physician numbers.

What psyche Boards are you reading? Are they psychiatrist boards or psyche NP boards? There will be a difference.

Not enough physicians are willing to go into psyche because they are gravitating to more lucrative specialties that have less stigma of dealing with the mentally ill. They have bills to pay, I understand that. NPs are stepping up to make it so folks don’t have to wait 2 months to be seen by a provider or else settle for seeing a general practice doctor. That’s what is making psyche a lucrative path for NPs at the moment.

Read through the posts here because they contain valuable information to help you decide what to do. Direct entry Np isn’t cheap, and I imagine with your OT school, you will have a bit of debt to your name after it’s all said and done. You may be better suited for PA school.
Thank you for your detailed reply! My aunt has a bit of an ego. When I told her I was planning on earning my doctorate in OT, she told me to remember who the “real” doctor was lol. I really don’t want to pursue PA because I feel like NP’s have more job opportunities in mental health settings. Additionally, I believe that many states allow NP’s (and not PA’s) to practice independently w/o physician supervision.

I was reading through the Psychiatrist forum here on SDN.

Thank you for your advice. I will definitely read through the posts in this forum. I’ve also been reading through allnurses to find more info on this career path. Thanks!
 
She sounds like a lovely person to be around.... willing to say condescending things to their relatives. Nice.

I’ve noticed psyche PAs in my area make in general what typical PAs make, which is around 90-120k. The Nps in psyche really do well.... $120-180k. I’m not sure why exactly that is, but could speculate... it could be because as independent providers they can run their own shop without a physician to share revenue with. That’s easier to do in the psyche realm than in a specialty where a complex intervention might be in order, like cardiology or plastic surgery(or almost all of the others). In primary care, even the physicians aren’t paid huge sums, so an NPs independence doesn’t pay dividends vs PAs. But psyche is this nice little in demand niche where an NP is nicely placed to fill a significant need. The psyche doctors in my area also don’t seem to utilize PAs like they could. They behave as if they enjoy flying solo. Not many of the physicians even go into practice together. So in that environment, you see NPs being hired by groups of therapists, facilities, the prison system, and setting up groups. I think it’s a really healthy environment for psyche NPs. Not many physicians are trying to exploit NPs here, and there is tons of work to go around. It’s a clear demonstration of how important independent practice is to NPs because PAs here don’t have it, and it shows. In other realms, there is more parity between NPs and PAs it seems.

Around 25 states have independent practice for NPs. No states grant that to PAs. I think there will be states that will be holdouts in granting NPs independence until very late in the game, but eventually I see all of them coming around within 15-20 years, with around 42 or so states doing that within 8-10 years. No states will withdraw from independence that they’ve already granted to NPs. Realizing these factors surrounding the profession is what drove me away from pursuing PA to working to become an NP. I even know of doctors that have steered their children to the NP profession instead of encouraging them to directly follow their footsteps into medicine. These doctors I’m referring to are very successful individuals as well. Food for though. But again, I’d hate to see people fleeing from the notion of becoming a physician. I want them to be paid well, and incentivized. They work hard for what they have. I also don’t think that their fate hangs on what NPs are trying to achieve. We have tons of physicians getting ready to retire, and even hanging out longer than they probably want to. They should worry more about the possibility of things like foreign grads coming in. Overall, though, having an NP or a PA in an arrangement where they need to be tied to a physician is really a structure that isn’t productive, nor does it reflect the reality of what these providers do i a daily basis. Surgery, sure, because the surgeon is the main event. But when 95 percent of the PA or NPs day involves them demanding little of the physician, then that may be a good indication that a subservient relationship isn’t necessary, and they should be cut loose to be responsible for their own decisions. In essence, they already are. Why be subservient? Is everyone terrified to pay an NP $20k more per year and probably get much more than that in return?
 
She sounds like a lovely person to be around.... willing to say condescending things to their relatives. Nice.

I’ve noticed psyche PAs in my area make in general what typical PAs make, which is around 90-120k. The Nps in psyche really do well.... $120-180k. I’m not sure why exactly that is, but could speculate... it could be because as independent providers they can run their own shop without a physician to share revenue with. That’s easier to do in the psyche realm than in a specialty where a complex intervention might be in order, like cardiology or plastic surgery(or almost all of the others). In primary care, even the physicians aren’t paid huge sums, so an NPs independence doesn’t pay dividends vs PAs. But psyche is this nice little in demand niche where an NP is nicely placed to fill a significant need. The psyche doctors in my area also don’t seem to utilize PAs like they could. They behave as if they enjoy flying solo. Not many of the physicians even go into practice together. So in that environment, you see NPs being hired by groups of therapists, facilities, the prison system, and setting up groups. I think it’s a really healthy environment for psyche NPs. Not many physicians are trying to exploit NPs here, and there is tons of work to go around. It’s a clear demonstration of how important independent practice is to NPs because PAs here don’t have it, and it shows. In other realms, there is more parity between NPs and PAs it seems.

Around 25 states have independent practice for NPs. No states grant that to PAs. I think there will be states that will be holdouts in granting NPs independence until very late in the game, but eventually I see all of them coming around within 15-20 years, with around 42 or so states doing that within 8-10 years. No states will withdraw from independence that they’ve already granted to NPs. Realizing these factors surrounding the profession is what drove me away from pursuing PA to working to become an NP. I even know of doctors that have steered their children to the NP profession instead of encouraging them to directly follow their footsteps into medicine. These doctors I’m referring to are very successful individuals as well. Food for though. But again, I’d hate to see people fleeing from the notion of becoming a physician. I want them to be paid well, and incentivized. They work hard for what they have. I also don’t think that their fate hangs on what NPs are trying to achieve. We have tons of physicians getting ready to retire, and even hanging out longer than they probably want to. They should worry more about the possibility of things like foreign grads coming in. Overall, though, having an NP or a PA in an arrangement where they need to be tied to a physician is really a structure that isn’t productive, nor does it reflect the reality of what these providers do i a daily basis. Surgery, sure, because the surgeon is the main event. But when 95 percent of the PA or NPs day involves them demanding little of the physician, then that may be a good indication that a subservient relationship isn’t necessary, and they should be cut loose to be responsible for their own decisions. In essence, they already are. Why be subservient? Is everyone terrified to pay an NP $20k more per year and probably get much more than that in return?
Everyone is “afraid” the midlevel is not as educated and that the patient deserves a more completely trained professional to oversee their medical care.
 
Everyone is “afraid” the midlevel is not as educated and that the patient deserves a more completely trained professional to oversee their medical care.

bollocks. People are protecting their turf. Plain and simple. It's ironic since many docs are quite libertarian in their political persuasions, but somehow become huge fans of government regulation when it benefits them financially.
 
bollocks. People are protecting their turf. Plain and simple. It's ironic since many docs are quite libertarian in their political persuasions, but somehow become huge fans of government regulation when it benefits them financially.
I’d be fine with complete lack of licensing free for all.....

What I’m not ok with is the govt lying and putting forth that docs are interchangeable with midlevels
 
You can always report any substandard NP that you come across to the BON. I guarantee they BON will be harder on any NP in their investigative process that the BOM is on physicians that are accused of poor performance. My guess is you never run across NPs that are causing any problems that rise to the level of malpractice, and your “concern” is simply academic/turf protection. Just become a one man wrecking crew and destroy all the supposedly substandard NPs in your midst that are making life so hard on.... was it “patients” you were concerned about? Yeah... patients....
 
Can any of you Psych NP’s describe a typical workday? Also, are u typically employed in inpatient units or private practice?
 
Work 9-5 or 6 four days per week. Outpatient group broken into regions. Patients are back to back, infinitum. What more would you like to know?
I'm researching into this field and I'm thinking about pursing a graduate entry program into psych that my in-state school offers. What are things you like and hate about your job? If you could go back in time would you still choose this field? Also, is the job stressful, easy-going, etc?
 
I want to speak to a couple if points you've raised.

1) The direct entry program is, in my opinion, a solid concept. If I had that option available I would've chosen it too. Having said that, some are opposed to this idea if NPs not working as RNs. I actually never did any psych specific stuff before starting into psychdom but have done quite well because I was driven to succeed.

2) The organizational culture is going to dictate the ease of your day. I work solo and never see my superiors. I happen to work for a dollar driven organization so if the dollars are coming in, waves aren't made to interfere with that, and you do reasonably well in your job you're left solely to yourself. In that, th job is very relaxed and easy going. It's easy to come and go, take off, get the support staff to handle my needs, etc. You won't find that anywhere else. In fact, I interviewed at a moonlighting position and a physician there became somewhat hostile over the fact that I work alone and wouldn't accept his intended and very literal micromanagement. I terminated the interview and left.

One may raise many points about the necessity for physicians to directly supervise a nurse practitioner. Whatever the pros and cons are, I couldn't care less because that's not an environment I'm willing to work in. I can be other things besides a nurse/practitioner. So for that, I am not "called" to the profession rather I happen to find it interesting and enjoy it.

What I like about the job most, frankly, is the autonomous office environment. I'm in a sort of lower end of upper management lifestyle, and I like that. I also like facilitating wellness particularly in the complex populations who have experienced treatment failure with previous clinicians. What I detest is entitlement mentality as if those who choose not to work and receive myriad been it's can waltz in with market place insurance free to them and get whatever they want. The audacity for them to think I care if they stay or go to a competitor's office is absurd when the entitled don't get "feel good pills." I'm not a benzo or stim dispensary and am quick to point that out. I want people to be better and more functional - not feel good while they lie around the house not doing anything. I'll work very hard to achieve the former.
Very cool. From the response I feel as though this specialty compared to a RN is night and day. Would you agree?

I plan to work part time during my upon getting my RN during the program if I choose to pursue it. I heard many people do that once the first 2 years are over, the latter years you have spare time they said.
 
Does the state one lives in also influence how much autonomy they have at work? I live in Los Angeles, and I dont think CA is an independent practice state. If I were to work as a psych np is Los Angeles, would I get more supervision from a physician?


2) The organizational culture is going to dictate the ease of your day. I work solo and never see my superiors. I happen to work for a dollar driven organization so if the dollars are coming in, waves aren't made to interfere with that, and you do reasonably well in your job you're left solely to yourself. In that, th job is very relaxed and easy going. It's easy to come and go, take off, get the support staff to handle my needs, etc. You won't find that anywhere else. In fact, I interviewed at a moonlighting position and a physician there became somewhat hostile over the fact that I work alone and wouldn't accept his intended and very literal micromanagement. I terminated the interview and left.
 
Apologies for all the typos in the previous post. I took the day off to tend to some things and was walking my dog while I was text typing.

I really find very little relationship between RN training and work experience and what I do now. Mostly, the RN experience is handy when I have a patient talking about in the periphery of their appointment, e.g. when they were hospitalized for some XYZ medical problem.

Truth be told, if this was anything like RN work I probably wouldn't be doing it. I wasn't made for nursing. My approach to life is a bit different than what the indoctrination emphasized.
That's what I thought. Do you think the job demand will continue you to increase? I've heard MHPNP's make well over 100K, some close to 130k's in fact. Some even as far as 150k rivaling some CRNA salaries. If this is true why don't more people pursue this specialty? It seems like a less demanding job as compared to a neonatal NP in the NICU and pays even greater. Are these salaries accurate? Should one expect to make this much?
 
The demands are more interpersonal. Depending on your own personality, empathy, and ability to set boundaries you may or may not struggle. You'll have a fairly small drug formulary to work from. There are many psych meds out there, but everybody generally sticks to a sum of meds that they're comfortable with, I find I don't prescribe even half of what I did when I started. I have a close friend who's an intensivist "critical care" physician, and my stress is different than his. He's often physically tired from running the halls and doing procedures. My stress is mental and translates to problems such as being "absent" at home with the wife, i.e. not wanting to talk, do stuff on computers, etc. I love my family, but when I go home I'd love to sit in a chair for a couple of hours and be left alone.

I made over 200k last year and close to that the year before. Salaries do vary widely, but with big money comes big work and big stress. I'm near burn out, despite various attempts at "self care," in my present clinic and population and am examining what to do about this.

Job demand is there, but like yourself others are finding about this hidden gem of healthcare. I've held faculty appointments ancillary to my employment and have seen the class sizes of PMHNP programs grow exponentially since my handful of classmates graduated.

Is that 200k+ with medical/dental benefits, retirement, PTO, etc.? Or are you making that money per diem or as a 1099?
 
That's salary and such. I didn't account for 401k contributions and health insurances, etc. The employer does a match to 5%. Our insurance premiums are egregious, LOL. Don' t get me started. PTO works out to about 120 hours/annum.
Can you describe a typical day and what you do?
 
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