Normal to fail 25% to half of class on exams during second year?

[charmiedermie]

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oh my bad. must be bwh or beth israel then.

MGH, BWH, and Beth Israel do not have Family Medicine residencies, and you make yourself look even less intelligent when you consistently call those people bottom-dwellers along with your constant fascination with status. I can only imagine what you think of your female colleagues in med school.

 

[W19]

@Stagg737 If you have the money ($99.00), I recommend US-Rx... They have some good questions (mostly 2nd order questions) and it's a nice way to go over FA... My school uses NBME and there are a few questions on US-Rx that are almost words for words with NBME...

 

[asdf123g]

With UWORLD, which I read is approx 2000qs, I think I can get through it in 2.5wks doing about 150q per day + reviewing questions. Then hope to do a 2nd pass on questions I marked or got wrong.

how the heck would one have time to do 150 q's per day and review on top of everything else??!

 

[Psai]

Damn, you're still a good bit away. Basically 6 months out! And damn, you get 2mo for dedicated, Our school only gives 6wks. I was seeing someone this summer and she said her school has to take boards around April of M2. The schools with 1.5yr curriculum have even less time. I think you should be sitting pretty if you get through 7,500qs.


With UWORLD, which I read is approx 2000qs, I think I can get through it in 2.5wks doing about 150q per day + reviewing questions. Then hope to do a 2nd pass on questions I marked or got wrong.

lmfao 150 questions per day
good luck with that

 

[Donald Juan]

lmfao 150 questions per day
good luck with that

Seems totally reasonable...I'm really not sure if you're laughing because it's too much or too little.

 

[Donald Juan]

how the heck would one have time to do 150 q's per day and review on top of everything else??!

You're a pre-med? Stop worrying about how to step study. It's way too early for this. Most M2s in this country still don't know what/how they are going to do it.

 

[Psai]

Seems totally reasonable...I'm really not sure if you're laughing because it's too much or too little.

That's way too much. Even if you could do it, you'll be super tired by the end of it. I could barely do 3 blocks by the end of studying and that's after I was done with most of the question bank.

 

[Stagg737]

lmfao 150 questions per day
good luck with that

Last year I talked to upperclassman who are now interns that did 200+ questions per day. That was also all they did during dedicated studying though, so I guess it depends on what your study plan is. I'd like to do minimum 100/day and just try and get through at least 2 Qbanks, but I'll do the math on how much I need to do (and how much I can actually do!) sometime in the spring.

 

[W19]

Seems totally reasonable...I'm really not sure if you're laughing because it's too much or too little.

Doing these questions is the easy part, but reviewing 150 thoroughly might take an eternity...

 

[masaraksh]

@Stagg737 If you have the money ($99.00), I recommend US-Rx... They have some good questions (mostly 2nd order questions) and it's a nice way to go over FA... My school uses NBME and there are a few questions on US-Rx that are almost words for words with NBME...

I found a 50% off discount code for Rx, it seems that they pop up all the time from searching the threads. So the "till you pass" option (which is basically 12+ months) cost me $130. I think it is very worth it.

I would not pay the 250-300 full price though, but the discount codes seem to pop up every couple weeks so you should be almost guaranteed to get it for ~130.


It is very well designed. I wish I had more time to spend working through questions, but classes are taking up lots of time. However, the interface is great. If we are covering cardio, I can select cardio and do an entire block of cardio questions. I can also do random questions and then review the explanations. They put in a page from first aid with each explanation so it is helping me get familiar with first aid. Also, if I have an hour I can do like 10-15 questions + review the answers.

 

[masaraksh]

Doing these questions is the easy part, but reviewing 150 thoroughly might take an eternity...

Definitely. That would be during dedicated step 1 time. No reviewing, just questions + review answers all day, err'day for all of Uworld.

I'm pretty sure getting through 3 blocks + review is possible in ~12hrs, or like 9am-9pm, with short breaks.

 

[W19]

Definitely. That would be during dedicated step 1 time. No reviewing, just questions + review answers all day, err'day for all of Uworld.

I'm pretty sure getting through 3 blocks + review is possible in ~12hrs, or like 9am-9pm, with short breaks.

I have 8 weeks dedicated time, so I will be doing 2 blocks per day (9am-10pm); I will also be doing some reading and watch some videos (i.e pathoma, kaplan etc...).

Goal: 240+ but I will ok with anything above 230...

 

[Donald Juan]

Doing these questions is the easy part, but reviewing 150 thoroughly might take an eternity...

1 hour to do a block of questions...2-3 hours to review. It worked for me, and I did better than the people I knew who sat in the library complaining that it took them 6 hours to review every block of questions. I guess to each his own, but I don't think my 3-4 hours to do and review a block is some unheard of lightning speed based on what I was reading here on the step 1 board, I'm surprised people are acting like it is now.

 

[W19]

1 hour to do a block of questions...2-3 hours to review. It worked for me, and I did better than the people I knew who sat in the library complaining that it took them 6 hours to review every block of questions. I guess to each his own, but I don't think my 3-4 hours to do and review a block is some unheard of lightning speed based on what I was reading here on the step 1 board, I'm surprised people are acting like it is now.

I don't know man... I am a slow reader; English is my 4th language and I also like to take notes...

 

[Kaustikos]

1 hour to do a block of questions...2-3 hours to review. It worked for me, and I did better than the people I knew who sat in the library complaining that it took them 6 hours to review every block of questions. I guess to each his own, but I don't think my 3-4 hours to do and review a block is some unheard of lightning speed based on what I was reading here on the step 1 board, I'm surprised people are acting like it is now.

6 hours for one block is horrendous. I mean, are you taking 3 hour breaks? One block + review should take about 2.5 hours on average.
I used qbanks free test and took that first in January. Got a sense of my weaknesses and reviewed those (Micro was the main which was 4-5 days Micro + Micro pharm).
Anatomy... Was so basic that only referenced BRS Anatomy for some things. But FA was good. But I don't get 6 hours for one block. You're doing it wrong.

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[Donald Juan]

6 hours for one block is horrendous. I mean, are you taking 3 hour breaks? One block + review should take about 2.5 hours on average.
I used qbanks free test and took that first in January. Got a sense of my weaknesses and reviewed those (Micro was the main which was 4-5 days Micro + Micro pharm).
Anatomy... Was so basic that only referenced BRS Anatomy for some things. But FA was good. But I don't get 6 hours for one block. You're doing it wrong.

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I don't think you read my post.

 

[masaraksh]

^ I think he was replying to Psai

 

[PhillyMed777]

Damn, that looks strong. I have some of the same sources, but overall a little less intensive. I'm ideally hoping to break 240. Interested in IM (with a strong hope of matcing at academic centers, big city), if I end up liking surgery on rotations, then ortho is up there, and radiology (again ideally on the coasts).

My plan is:
- also to use FA, its just a good comprehensive review. i do hate the interspersed BS forced mnemonics
- been going through some of the brosencephalon deck with classes, it basically like reviewing first aid, but it forces you to recall shyt instead of flipping pages and saying 'yeah, i knmow that'
- Pathoma plus maybe skimming Rapid Review
- Not planning on using a book for physio
- Microbio - sketchy micro & FA chapter
- Pharm - first aid and potentially the becker pharm book I have.
- Qbanks - Uworld and as much of USMLERx as I can get through during classes.

I also got some Lange biochem and genetics flashcards which I'll skim over winter break to see if I want to use them for review during dedicated study.

It's totally when you factor in a popular city and a strong program that IM becomes damn competitive. And you end up competing with a ton of top/ivy league type grads for those strong programs. And of course, most of then want GI, heme/onc, etc...

But yeah, my approach is quite similar for STEP

And it's quite odd to see that many do poorly as the OP talked about. IDk, maybe just a bad class? Hard to imagine seeing how competitive it is to get in, but I suppose could happen as well. Schools have been teaching/testing students for years. They usually know what is appropriate such that everyone should pass.

 

[Kaustikos]

I don't think you read my post.

Talking about your classmates...

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[libraryismyhome]

MGH, BWH, and Beth Israel do not have Family Medicine residencies, and you make yourself look even less intelligent when you consistently call those people bottom-dwellers along with your constant fascination with status. I can only imagine what you think of your female colleagues in med school.

Beth Israel has one in NYC. (urban family medicine)

Strong, Independent, rebellious, have strong opinions, want to dominate over males, unattractive, have high standards
great for friends yet not for marriage. I don't need their money.

#returningpersonalattack

 

[PL198]

3 hours for one block? wtf.....

there are people that spend 5-6? holy crap

 

[TwinsFan]

Doing RX with classes now but I could see how 1 block of ~45Qs could take ~3hrs. 1 hr for the questions and 2 hrs to review them. I think that's pretty common from those I've talked to. Once you start talking 4-6hr it becomes a lot less common. I think 2 blocks/day with some other review is reasonable for dedicated.

 

[charmiedermie]

Beth Israel has one in NYC. (urban family medicine)

Strong, Independent, rebellious, have strong opinions, want to dominate over males, unattractive, have high standards
great for friends yet not for marriage. I don't need their money.

#returningpersonalattack

Beth Israel Deaconess in Boston has nothing at all to do with Beth Israel at Icahn Mt. Sinai. Educate yourself.

Ha! You wish, and you're proving my point. You'll be alone in the library with your attitude.

 

[AlbinoHawk DO]

1. Pretty sure that's not normal

2. I think that's normal. You're trying to become a doctor, right? Step 1 isn't end-all-be-all for useful clinical knowledge.

It's stupid to teach stuff not in the steps. The material already on the step is impossible to 100% master for anyone. Besides, you'll probably forget 90% of that stuff anyway. Medical school should be about being successful in the steps.

 

[Stagg737]

It's stupid to teach stuff not in the steps. The material already on the step is impossible to 100% master for anyone. Besides, you'll probably forget 90% of that stuff anyway. Pre-clinical years should be about being successful in the steps.

Depending on how 3rd/4th year goes, I think you can learn some stuff that will be very useful for more than just boards. I'd guess it would totally depend on what you get to see and do during clinical years though.

 

[AlbinoHawk DO]

Depending on how 3rd/4th year goes, I think you can learn some stuff that will be very useful for more than just boards. I'd guess it would totally depend on what you get to see and do during clinical years though.

I agree. I should have specified for pre clinical

 

[Psai]

It's stupid to teach stuff not in the steps. The material already on the step is impossible to 100% master for anyone. Besides, you'll probably forget 90% of that stuff anyway. Medical school should be about being successful in the steps.

Bad idea. You go to medical school to learn how to be a doctor, not how to take a test

 

[libraryismyhome]

Ha! You wish, and you're proving my point. You'll be alone in the library with your attitude.

I guess typical average joe with my attitude may have difficult time getting laid. But i know how to bust my moves and my game is strong when i am single.

Currently i have a girl friend (of course not a female medical student cause they are unattractive yet think highly if themselves) who treats me like a prince while i dont treat her like a princess. She approached me and asked for my number when i was just studying in the library. Whenever i want, she demonstrates her excellent cooking and bedroom skills. I help her to excel in her school work too.

My attitude is quiet simple: if you want me, treat me well. But i dont give much crap even if you break up with me cause other women are lining up themselves to date me. Cause i am 6' 1", good looking male medical student.

Do you have a boy friend who treats you like a princess while you dont need to treat him like prince? If yes, please elaborate.

 

[ortnakas]

Currently i have a girl friend (of course not a female medical student cause they are unattractive yet think highly if themselves) who treats me like a prince while i dont treat her like a princess.

Why is it okay for you to expect her to treat you like a prince while not treating her like a princess? Relationships go both ways.

 

[AlbinoHawk DO]

Bad idea. You go to medical school to learn how to be a doctor, not how to take a test

Do the things you learn for the step not serve you for how to be a doctor?

 

[libraryismyhome]

Why is it okay for you to expect her to treat you like a prince while not treating her like a princess? Relationships go both ways.

When i was inexperienced, i rarely had good experiences with women when i was nice to them. Women treat me better when i am a dick. Of course this doesn't mean that i treat them like crap. While following basic rules(like i dont slap their butts in the public) formed by our dating culture, i have to be a dick at the same time. Nice guys truly finish last.

 

[asdf123g]

^

 

[seminoma]

1 hour to do a block of questions...2-3 hours to review. It worked for me, and I did better than the people I knew who sat in the library complaining that it took them 6 hours to review every block of questions. I guess to each his own, but I don't think my 3-4 hours to do and review a block is some unheard of lightning speed based on what I was reading here on the step 1 board, I'm surprised people are acting like it is now.

2-3 hours to review a block is pretty quick. It took me ~4 hours typically.

It's stupid to teach stuff not in the steps. The material already on the step is impossible to 100% master for anyone. Besides, you'll probably forget 90% of that stuff anyway. Medical school should be about being successful in the steps.

No it shouldn't. Students can prepare on their own for success on step exams.

 

[kthxbai]

Funny we're on this topic here. Our 1/3 of the class is actually, literally failing. The admins are freaking out.

 

[darthsubway]

Funny we're on this topic here. Our 1/3 of the class is actually, literally failing. The admins are freaking out.

First or second year is failing?