Northwestern vs. UIC

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Which PT program would you choose, and why? I sent in my deposit and intend to go to Northwestern. I love the curriculum, synthesis project, etc. but the fact that UIC is cheaper (by about 42k) keeps getting to me. I feel like Northwestern is worth the money though. Any honest insight is much appreciated!
 
UIC. UIC. UIC. No way that any accredited PT school is $42,000 better than any other accredited PT school.

Also, I've also worked with graduates of both programs, and have not noticed any discernible difference in their skill sets or clinical acumen.
 
Thanks for your input! It is very much appreciated.
 
Anyone else have an opinion on this? I thought it'd be helpful to make a list of pros for each school to try to help me decide. The only pros I came up with for UIC is that it is cheaper and I will be closer to my boyfriend (he's going to dental school at UIC). Comparing those two pros to the long list of pros I came up with for Northwestern, I feel like it is worth it to go to NU. But, I'd still like to hear people's take on this. Thanks.
 
Hello,

I am a second year student at UIC, and if you want my two cents, here you go!

When I moved to Chicago, I narrowed down my list of PT schools to NU and UIC. For me, the decision to attend UIC was largely based on costs. It is significantly cheaper, and you are getting nearly the exact same education for a fraction of the cost. Our faculty has members that have graduated from NU or teach there as well, and they all say that UIC is the "smart" way to go. One of our teachers actually said "if money is not a problem, then go to NU because it looks nicer." That statement is true. UIC is not as nice or as pretty, but the classes are wonderful and the opportunities are expansive.

One thing that never gets discussed on any of these message boards is class size. My class at UIC has 51 students. NU is much larger. Keep that in mind. Every single student at UIC is known by all the faculty. They know our names, they know our interests, and they are invested in our futures. The students are looked after, and the instructors go out of their way to ensure that each student is understanding and meeting requirements. And, UIC plans to keep it that way simply because the program can only fit 50 students. And, with the number of applicants continuing to skyrocket UIC's students will continue to be the cream of the crop.

With all that being said, the decision is still up to you. For me, costs swayed me to wanting to like UIC more. When I conversed with faculty at UIC, I only liked it more. If NU is where you feel like you belong, go there. It's really that simple, and I wish you the best of luck!
 
UIC x10000. Seriously. I have coworkers that recently graduated from NW and one that went to UIC. It doesn't matter. Once you get your license...nobody cares where you went so long as you went. Trust me, you don't want to be repaying that extra 42%.
 
You all know that Akiramay has already graduated from NU now, right? 😉
 
Oh man WTF. I just saw the last person's post and didn't look at the OP. Well now I feel dumb. But I stand by what I said.
 
Haha well it's still helpful for future students to hear insight, as I"m sure there's some NU/UIC decisions being made every year. I'm moving this to the Pre-PT forum though since there was only one forum during the OP's time posting.
 
Now I want to know what she thinks about her ultimate decision after the fact!
I don't think she comes on here much (if at all) anymore, but I stay in contact with her IRL. As far as I know, she's pretty happy with the decision. She's working as a PT now 🙂
 
This is a great question and, although the initial poster has graduated already, I hope this thread will help incoming physical therapy students make a decision that fits them best.

I am currently a first year in my second semester in the Northwestern DPT program. There was a UIC student perspective, so I hope mine will help add to the thread. First off, I will just say that I completely agree with NewDPT31 that it does not matter which program you go to if you want to work as a physical therapist. I think that rings true with almost every health care field (please correct me if I am wrong). If you want to work as a PT/OT/MD/etc., you just have to get into an accredited program and graduate. Especially between UIC and Northwestern, which are both very high up there nationally, your quality as a PT will be the same. What really differentiates the top programs is their research. If you want to do research in PT/MD/etc., then rank is everything. What am I saying? If you want to work as a PT, I would choose UIC because it will be the same preparation for much less money. If you are interested in research sometime down the road, Northwestern is the better choice. Besides that, it is just a matter of school name and pride. For myself, the honeymoon period of going to Northwestern (ooh ahh) went away very quickly.

More about the actual Northwestern DPT program:
- IT'S RESEARCH-HEAVY: Like I said, the main difference between UIC and NU is the research. That definitely influences the curriculum. There are a number of classes centered around finding, reading, and analyzing research articles. (From what I know) NU also teaches a lot more math in its physiology and biomechanics classes compared to other programs. This is material that you will likely not use unless you do research.
- SYNTHESIS PROJECT: This is the synthesis project that Akiramay alluded to. You essentially work in a team with 2-3 professors and 2-3 other students to work on one of the professor's research topics. This is interesting as you can get a taste of research if you are not planning on doing it long term, or get a preview of the process if you are planning on doing it long term. Again, this does not necessarily result in making you a better PT. You learn your research topic (I actually find mine very interesting), research skills, and about the research process.
- THE SCHEDULE: Be aware of the schedule coming in. I do not know how all other PT programs are (please share what UIC is like), but we have class everyday 8am-3pm or 8am-5pm with an hour lunch break at 12pm-1pm. You are in class 25-35 hours a week. The class credit (hour) break down for all 6 semesters (aka trimesters) is ~25, 25, 17, 6 week clinical, 22, 18, 6 week clinical, 14, 12 week clinical, 12 week clinical. Do your research and see what the UIC schedule is like.
- LIVING SITUATION: The school is also right in downtown (Michigan & Erie), so living costs will be extremely high for anything close. I would recommend finding an apartment that is 20-25 minutes away via an express bus or a CTA line.
- THE TUITION: The tuition is extremely high, and I personally do not think it is worth it if you are not planning on doing research. It is approximately $105k for all 3 years and your starting salary will probably be around 60-75k, depending where you work. Although you probably are not going PT for the money, do the math and you realize it is going to take a long time to pay off, which effectively decreases your net salary every year. I think UIC is actually an amazing opportunity. The top PT schools are generally 80-100k. Amazingly, UIC is a top school in the nation and only 50-60k in tuition. But the Northwestern name is enticing, so I understand. When people ask what school you go to, it is nice to say Northwestern, even though it doesn't really matter (but they don't know that).

MY LAST WORD: Don't just go to a school for the name. Do your research. I will admit that I have some regrets (definitely shared by a number of classmates), but the program is overall good and I know it will prepare me to be a good PT. The program is great and has a lot of strong points, but I don't think those points distinguish it from UIC (besides the research). If I could re-choose schools knowing what I know now, I would have definitely considered UIC more. I know I am giving Northwestern a pretty harsh evaluation, but if you are choosing between the two, I am sure you have already attended the open house and have been sold the program in many ways. I just want to provide my perspective to help other prospective PT students make a good, educated decision.

If you have any questions or comments, please reply!
 
This is a great question and, although the initial poster has graduated already, I hope this thread will help incoming physical therapy students make a decision that fits them best.

I am currently a first year in my second semester in the Northwestern DPT program. There was a UIC student perspective, so I hope mine will help add to the thread. First off, I will just say that I completely agree with NewDPT31 that it does not matter which program you go to if you want to work as a physical therapist. I think that rings true with almost every health care field (please correct me if I am wrong). If you want to work as a PT/OT/MD/etc., you just have to get into an accredited program and graduate. Especially between UIC and Northwestern, which are both very high up there nationally, your quality as a PT will be the same. What really differentiates the top programs is their research. If you want to do research in PT/MD/etc., then rank is everything. What am I saying? If you want to work as a PT, I would choose UIC because it will be the same preparation for much less money. If you are interested in research sometime down the road, Northwestern is the better choice. Besides that, it is just a matter of school name and pride. For myself, the honeymoon period of going to Northwestern (ooh ahh) went away very quickly.

More about the actual Northwestern DPT program:
- IT'S RESEARCH-HEAVY: Like I said, the main difference between UIC and NU is the research. That definitely influences the curriculum. There are a number of classes centered around finding, reading, and analyzing research articles. (From what I know) NU also teaches a lot more math in its physiology and biomechanics classes compared to other programs. This is material that you will likely not use unless you do research.
- SYNTHESIS PROJECT: This is the synthesis project that Akiramay alluded to. You essentially work in a team with 2-3 professors and 2-3 other students to work on one of the professor's research topics. This is interesting as you can get a taste of research if you are not planning on doing it long term, or get a preview of the process if you are planning on doing it long term. Again, this does not necessarily result in making you a better PT. You learn your research topic (I actually find mine very interesting), research skills, and about the research process.
- THE SCHEDULE: Be aware of the schedule coming in. I do not know how all other PT programs are (please share what UIC is like), but we have class everyday 8am-3pm or 8am-5pm with an hour lunch break at 12pm-1pm. You are in class 25-35 hours a week. The class credit (hour) break down for all 6 semesters (aka trimesters) is ~25, 25, 17, 6 week clinical, 22, 18, 6 week clinical, 14, 12 week clinical, 12 week clinical. Do your research and see what the UIC schedule is like.
- LIVING SITUATION: The school is also right in downtown (Michigan & Erie), so living costs will be extremely high for anything close. I would recommend finding an apartment that is 20-25 minutes away via an express bus or a CTA line.
- THE TUITION: The tuition is extremely high, and I personally do not think it is worth it if you are not planning on doing research. It is approximately $105k for all 3 years and your starting salary will probably be around 60-75k, depending where you work. Although you probably are not going PT for the money, do the math and you realize it is going to take a long time to pay off, which effectively decreases your net salary every year. I think UIC is actually an amazing opportunity. The top PT schools are generally 80-100k. Amazingly, UIC is a top school in the nation and only 50-60k in tuition. But the Northwestern name is enticing, so I understand. When people ask what school you go to, it is nice to say Northwestern, even though it doesn't really matter (but they don't know that).

MY LAST WORD: Don't just go to a school for the name. Do your research. I will admit that I have some regrets (definitely shared by a number of classmates), but the program is overall good and I know it will prepare me to be a good PT. The program is great and has a lot of strong points, but I don't think those points distinguish it from UIC (besides the research). If I could re-choose schools knowing what I know now, I would have definitely considered UIC more. I know I am giving Northwestern a pretty harsh evaluation, but if you are choosing between the two, I am sure you have already attended the open house and have been sold the program in many ways. I just want to provide my perspective to help other prospective PT students make a good, educated decision.

If you have any questions or comments, please reply!

Sorry that you have some regrets. To those that are making decisions, everyone has their own opinion and experiences. Some may not like a particular program while others are totally blown away by it. I have worked with two physical therapists that are graduates of Northwestern DPT, C/O 1990 and 2008. Even with the gap of 18 years, both PT's highly recommended NUPT when I applied and had plenty of good things to say about the program. One owns a specialized clinic, does research, and lectures at a PT program while practicing part-time. The other treats ortho and pevlic/women's health patients. In my opinion, the program seems to prove that it can maintain a high quality education and experience consistently while being one of the oldest PT programs in the nation.

I had a good conversation with the PT about the synthesis project from NUPT and it really does sound interesting and we both agreed that it is one of the factors that sets NUPT apart from other programs. Some projects got published and went on to CSM for presentations. How great would it be to have something like that on your resume? Although Both PT's talked about the respectable reputation of Northwestern and its outstanding professors. I also asked about whether or not Northwestern had more of a focus in a certain area over another. The response was that it had a strong emphasis on ortho (seems like most students are into this) as well as neuro, but does not take away from the other aspects of PT.

In regards to the reputation of the school, the PT told me that where you go to school does matter to an extent. Her clinic has an open position right now and she says that certain applicants get moved to the top of the pile while some goes to the bottom depending on school reputation, experience and whatnot. This may not be true for other employers but just throwing it out there that there are certain places that do take the school you attended into account. Whether or not the cost of the school is worth it depends on the prospective student. Everyone has their own opinion. Right out of PT school she was offered an interview and landed the job at a place that only accepted PTs with a specific amount of experience under their belts, all because she graduated from Northwestern. Ultimately, most schools will prepare you for the exam and employment rate could be 100% but you might have a slight advantage if you came from a reputable school.
 
Sorry that you have some regrets. To those that are making decisions, everyone has their own opinion and experiences. Some may not like a particular program while others are totally blown away by it. I have worked with two physical therapists that are graduates of Northwestern DPT, C/O 1990 and 2008. Even with the gap of 18 years, both PT's highly recommended NUPT when I applied and had plenty of good things to say about the program. One owns a specialized clinic, does research, and lectures at a PT program while practicing part-time. The other treats ortho and pevlic/women's health patients. In my opinion, the program seems to prove that it can maintain a high quality education and experience consistently while being one of the oldest PT programs in the nation.

I had a good conversation with the PT about the synthesis project from NUPT and it really does sound interesting and we both agreed that it is one of the factors that sets NUPT apart from other programs. Some projects got published and went on to CSM for presentations. How great would it be to have something like that on your resume? Although Both PT's talked about the respectable reputation of Northwestern and its outstanding professors. I also asked about whether or not Northwestern had more of a focus in a certain area over another. The response was that it had a strong emphasis on ortho (seems like most students are into this) as well as neuro, but does not take away from the other aspects of PT.

In regards to the reputation of the school, the PT told me that where you go to school does matter to an extent. Her clinic has an open position right now and she says that certain applicants get moved to the top of the pile while some goes to the bottom depending on school reputation, experience and whatnot. This may not be true for other employers but just throwing it out there that there are certain places that do take the school you attended into account. Whether or not the cost of the school is worth it depends on the prospective student. Everyone has their own opinion. Right out of PT school she was offered an interview and landed the job at a place that only accepted PTs with a specific amount of experience under their belts, all because she graduated from Northwestern. Ultimately, most schools will prepare you for the exam and employment rate could be 100% but you might have a slight advantage if you came from a reputable school.
How do they determine what a reputable school is? I hope not according to US News Rankings. There are a lot of unranked schools on that list that are very good and hard to get into. I chose UNE which is a great program and it's like #100 on US News Rankings
 
How do they determine what a reputable school is? I hope not according to US News Rankings. There are a lot of unranked schools on that list that are very good and hard to get into. I chose UNE which is a great program and it's like #100 on US News Rankings

You are absolutely right ktachiba. There are many unranked schools that have an outstanding program. My previous employer had a preference for Northwestern, but she has told me that Azusa and Chapman were also great programs (ranked 154 and 125, respectively) based on the students that she has worked with right out of grad school or those that has done their clinical rotations with her. UNE is a great school, so congrats! I have met a PT that graduated from UNE and he is very successful in my opinion. He owns 10 PT clinics, lectures at a PT program, and works with MLB and NFL players. Again, not saying one program is worse than another because it could also depend on the students' personal abilities and talents.
 
You are absolutely right ktachiba. There are many unranked schools that have an outstanding program. My previous employer had a preference for Northwestern, but she has told me that Azusa and Chapman were also great programs (ranked 154 and 125, respectively) based on the students that she has worked with right out of grad school or those that has done their clinical rotations with her. UNE is a great school, so congrats! I have met a PT that graduated from UNE and he is very successful in my opinion. He owns 10 PT clinics, lectures at a PT program, and works with MLB and NFL players. Again, not saying one program is worse than another because it could also depend on the students' personal abilities and talents.
Good to know they don't use US News :happy:...Yeah Chapman seems like a really solid program. If I didn't live in the Southern Cali my entire life, I would have loved to attend the program.

Thanks on the kind words for UNE! I'm really excited to move out East and attend school there. I'm happy to hear that there are UNE alumni that have done so well for themselves! :claps:
 
I chose UIC over NU for many reasons, but I continue to hear the argument to choose NU because of "name recognition" I haven't seen any data to prove this. Seems to be a little bit of a dubious claim.

I've had several mentors (all PTs, some NU grads) tell me that being a great PT is separate from where you earned your degree. You obviously have to pass your licensure test. Continuing education, specialization, clinical reasoning, and interview/business skills are, to them, very important factors when evaluating an applicant.

I think a clearer divide in terms of reputation occurs when graduates of a newly accredited DPT program are competing with graduates of established programs.

That being said, think about what you might want to do. If you want to do research full time, or maybe teach PT, or earn an engineering masters with a DPT, NU is THE place you should go.

To me, UIC seemed more focused on clinical skills and orthopedics. I also didn't see enough of a difference between the two schools to justify the higher cost of NU.

My wife graduated from an expensive and highly ranked OT program, and in her field, the license matters more than the degree. She is paid the same rate as other OTs who graduated from less "prestigious" programs. In other words, the extra expenses for a school with great name recognition weren't great investments for her.
 
Just thought I would add in a comment. I had a mentor who used to teach at Governors State University. She had a student who at first was upset that she didn't attend Northwestern but my mentor explained to her that its just a name. At the end of the day if there aren't differences that really matter to you then attend the cheaper program. That student ended up having the highest score in her class for thw NPTE and now owns her own clinic and is happy with her education. And UIC does have a good name. The medical side of campus where the program is located is awesome. Its cheaper and has just as much to offer in my opinion as NU
 
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