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Research Experience? After this year I'll have three more years till i graduate (plus maybe a summer quarter) with a Music degree and Biology BA. I've been reading about research experiences people have, is it really that important?
Lab research just does not seem interesting to me, do alot of doctors do it. So far I have good grades and one W- in Calculus, it's not part of my degree plans but I'll take some "watered down" one like "Essential Calculus" or something.
 
You'll get a lot of differing opinions on this one. If you want to be a clinician, I don't see why research would be necessary. I think your music degree will help you; give interviewers something interesting to talk about. At least you have a couple of years in case you change your mind.
 
Research is not necessary but it does have some benefits(you get to see where science comes from and how it's actually applied).

If you don't like research, then don't do it.
 
Most schools like hospital volunteering/shadowing more.

Just depends.
 
Really, your career depends on what you want to do with it. If you find that research just doesn't thrill you the way other activities do (like interacting with patients or learning about music theory), then don't force yourself to do it! It isn't worth your time if you won't gain something valuable from the experience.

In terms of applying to medical schools, as long as you show you have an interest in serving others (through community service/volunteer work or community activism, by shadowing physicians, etc etc etc), I think you will be fine. (Of course you should also try your best in your courses and on the MCAT, too).

(people, correct me if I am wrong with anything below🙂

There are some very research-oriented medical schools that tend to have their graduates go into academic medicine. Sometimes, their curriculum will mold students into having the skills of a physician-scientist (even if you don't go for that MD/PhD part) by requiring a "research/scholarly project." Now, this might vary depending on the school, because the project could be purely clinical or basic science research at one school, but at another school, it could be a paper on absolutely anything related to medicine, like bioethics or healthcare economics. Some might require the paper to be published, others might just require a graduate-level write-up...basically a thesis, anyway. I feel like those medical schools that train their students to think like a physician-scientist might value applicants with research experience more, but I do not know how exactly this affects admission into their programs. (Maybe someone can also comment on this?)

But then if you look at the whole of medical schools, many will train you to be a good practicing doctor, and thus, what they are looking for in their applicants is not purely research experience, but valuable, unique experiences that demonstrate maturity. Basically, prove it to the admissions committees that you are a lifelong learner, independent thinker, good team-player, who is empathic, personable, and dedicated. You can do all that without research.

I seriously would not worry about not having enough research experience. If you are, however, did you just try basic science research and not like it? Maybe you could look into getting some experience in clinical research. You'll have plenty of opportunity to work with patients, instead of working with post-docs and eppendorf tubes like in basic science.

(Don't get me wrong, I love research!)
 
Most schools want you to be sure that you want to be a medical doctor, whose general role is to care for patients, and not a Ph.D., whose general role is to do scientific research. Certainly many medical doctors DO do research but PhDs do not care for patients.

The plus side of doing research is that it can strengthen your problem-solving skills, very important for being a physician. This is another reason that schools like to see research on your CV. That said, there are people who do not do research and get into medical school. If you have no inkling to do research, then pursue clinically-related activities that are interesting, meaningful, and prove to you that you do indeed want to be a physician.

Shadow doctors, volunteer to perform stat-taking at a homeless shelter, learn healing through massage, go away for a summer on a medical volunteer trip, etc. Clinical opportunities exist but are just a little harder to find sometimes than research opportunities. Get out there and talk to physicians.
 
PookieGirl said:
Most schools want you to be sure that you want to be a medical doctor, whose general role is to care for patients, and not a Ph.D., whose general role is to do scientific research. Certainly many medical doctors DO do research but PhDs do not care for patients.

The plus side of doing research is that it can strengthen your problem-solving skills, very important for being a physician. This is another reason that schools like to see research on your CV. That said, there are people who do not do research and get into medical school. If you have no inkling to do research, then pursue clinically-related activities that are interesting, meaningful, and prove to you that you do indeed want to be a physician.

Shadow doctors, volunteer to perform stat-taking at a homeless shelter, learn healing through massage, go away for a summer on a medical volunteer trip, etc. Clinical opportunities exist but are just a little harder to find sometimes than research opportunities. Get out there and talk to physicians.

And then there are the MD/PhD's..... 😀
 
I haven't done lab research...I'm a business major so I did some business research. Overall, I don't think it would have been worth my time to do lab research (I hate doing science labs in general). However, I shadowed a doctor so hopefully not doing scientific research wont hurt me. I have a few interviews right now (I just submitted UC secs last week) and am a California resident...if my interviewer asks me why I didn't do lab research, I intend on being upfront and saying that I don't think I really would have enjoyed it.
 
at first i hated the idea of doing research as well... it just seemed so boring... but then i realized how UC's really look for research in their applicants so knew i had to do some... i'm now in a lab and realized that i was ooohhh so wrong about research... it can be very challenging and exciting when you come up with an idea and it's successful... give it a try and you might like it... altogether it REALLY depends on your coworkers... my coworkers are really nice, helpful, and love to teach others so it's a really good environment...

many schools don't look for research... but if you want to get into a UC you better have some... unless you have something else that REALLY makes you stand out...

good luck...
 
i'm doing research now, its molecular bio and it can be incredibly frustrating due to the fact that i started over the summer and i dont have the breadth of knowledge to figure out whats wrong the the next step as quickly as the phd's helping me in the lab do. I think med schools like to see research if they happen to be a big research institute and also to show that you can handle or understand the material and process of scientific method, its the foundation of what your practicing in medicine so its good to know whats goin on when you read a research article and things like that. I guess one of the great things about being an md is the versatility, you can sit in a lab allday, do pathology w/o patient, care for kids, emergencies, or teach.
 
If you don't like it, don't do it, but don't knock it til ya try it. 😉 I have no plans to go into a research career, but I enjoy working in my neuroscience research lab. I like certain types of challenges, and learning how to do some of the things we do makes my brain feel like it's going Mach 4.

Don't restrict yourself just to biology research either, if you don't want to do that. I have no interest in working in a bio lab, personally.
 
Prowler, I'm a neurosci major at Tulane and because the major is so new and it has grown to become the second most popular lib. art and sci major there are very few labs to work in, I wish i was in a lab i enjoyed more
 
no research done here! But I'd like to try in med school...
 
you might find clinical research to be more interesting than basic science research. i mean you must be interested in disease, prevention, and health if you aspire to be a physician, right? clinical research will provide you with knowledge and experience about a medical topic of interest to you.
 
mozart_fan said:
Research Experience? After this year I'll have three more years till i graduate (plus maybe a summer quarter) with a Music degree and Biology BA. I've been reading about research experiences people have, is it really that important?
Lab research just does not seem interesting to me, do alot of doctors do it. So far I have good grades and one W- in Calculus, it's not part of my degree plans but I'll take some "watered down" one like "Essential Calculus" or something.

Be careful about which calculus course you take, because many med schools that have it as a prereq require it to be taught by the math dept. Or you could try statistics, perhaps...
 
Don't restrict yourself to bench research. I personally find that stuff intolerably boring -- I had a paid internship doing organic chemistry research one summer, and then never had any desire to do basic science research again! However, in college I did clinical psychology research for 3 years and really enjoyed it. I was able to use my experiences there in my personal statement, and I had interesting stories to tell during interviews. (You collect a fair number of interesting anecdotes if you give intelligence tests to and put heart rate monitors on preschoolers, believe it or not. 🙂 )

In general, research is helpful when applying to medical school; however, it is certainly not necessary. But you might look into doing research in less typical areas -- you might really like it.

By the way, there is a music major in my med school class -- so don't worry about your major. 🙂
 
basic science is boring if you're with the wrong people doing the wrong thing... try getting into a lab that works on less known diseases... it's more fun because you'll be at the front of research on this disease in the entire nation... what you find is some of the FIRST information every found regarding this disease... i'm doing that right now and i love it...

btw alot of the big time schools (especially california schools) like to see basic science bench research... and i know that from a med student at ucla... any other research, as long as you're involved, know what's going on and committed, will be good also but i really suggest basic science bench research if you want to get into a CA school...
 
jnguyen0815 said:
basic science is boring if you're with the wrong people doing the wrong thing... try getting into a lab that works on less known diseases... it's more fun because you'll be at the front of research on this disease in the entire nation... what you find is some of the FIRST information every found regarding this disease... i'm doing that right now and i love it...

btw alot of the big time schools (especially california schools) like to see basic science bench research... and i know that from a med student at ucla... any other research, as long as you're involved, know what's going on and committed, will be good also but i really suggest basic science bench research if you want to get into a CA school...

I see your point, but I like talking to and interacting with people -- and that's hard to do with viruses, bacteria, or cells. I agree that it is fun to be on the cutting edge -- while at my "boring" internship I developed a new chemical reaction to create a product used in organic polymers -- but to me the fun of discovery, which is relatively rare, is outweighed by the daily tedium of having to use pipettes, microscopes, etc. 🙂 However, you can find the first information about disease and other topics from a clinical perspective as well -- and that is a lot more interesting and satisfying to some people (like me).

I can't speak for the UC schools, but I go to a top 10 school and plenty of people here have not done basic science research, and they still got in (and I go to a school at which research is heavily emphasized). I think that doing any kind of research can help you, as long as you can speak intelligently about it.
 
I didn't have a drop of research when I applied to med school.. nada. And I couldn't wait to see the a**end of the lab.

You also don't need it to compensate for an arts degree. (I have a degree in film). However, I graduated magna cum laude and when I came back and did premed classes, my science gpa was 3.8 or so. I did well on the MCAT as well and I had a strong personal statement. I also had good LOR, and had spent 18 months in a clinic shadowing an MD and working...

I didn't ever think i would enjoy research but clinical research is cool. Just do well in school,get some good EC's and have fun.
 
RustNeverSleeps said:
I see your point, but I like talking to and interacting with people -- and that's hard to do with viruses, bacteria, or cells. I agree that it is fun to be on the cutting edge -- while at my "boring" internship I developed a new chemical reaction to create a product used in organic polymers -- but to me the fun of discovery, which is relatively rare, is outweighed by the daily tedium of having to use pipettes, microscopes, etc. 🙂 However, you can find the first information about disease and other topics from a clinical perspective as well -- and that is a lot more interesting and satisfying to some people (like me).

I can't speak for the UC schools, but I go to a top 10 school and plenty of people here have not done basic science research, and they still got in (and I go to a school at which research is heavily emphasized). I think that doing any kind of research can help you, as long as you can speak intelligently about it.

oh very interesting... where do you go if you don't mind braggin a bit? 🙂 i'm not saying that basic science research is a definite must, it's just very helpful in CA schools...

and remember it REALLY depends on the people you work with... you can be in one of the most well known labs in the world but it would suck with old farts that don't have personality... i just got lucky i guess...
 
vikaskoth said:
Prowler, I'm a neurosci major at Tulane and because the major is so new and it has grown to become the second most popular lib. art and sci major there are very few labs to work in, I wish i was in a lab i enjoyed more
We're actually working through the psychology department at my university in conjunction with our conveniently nearby medical school. Do you guys work with functional neuroimaging then? I'm in the process of learning how to use AFNI at the moment. It's mind-numbing - in both a good and frightening way.

I also like my lab because we had a recent influx of beautiful women 😉

Seriously though, everyone gets along well (a lot of healthy political debate though, that's for sure!), and we do stuff together. We all went out to dinner last Friday - I was at the restaurant for well over four hours. So, now that I'm friends with a bunch of them, it's more fun doing menial work (like running subjects, etc).
 
jnguyen0815 said:
at first i hated the idea of doing research as well... it just seemed so boring... but then i realized how UC's really look for research in their applicants so knew i had to do some... i'm now in a lab and realized that i was ooohhh so wrong about research... it can be very challenging and exciting when you come up with an idea and it's successful... give it a try and you might like it... altogether it REALLY depends on your coworkers... my coworkers are really nice, helpful, and love to teach others so it's a really good environment...

many schools don't look for research... but if you want to get into a UC you better have some... unless you have something else that REALLY makes you stand out...

good luck...


I agree with pretty much what everyone else has been saying. When I was a fresh someone told me I should do research, and even though I HATED labs I decided I would do it anyway (mainly because I thought I had to). I'm now a senior and have worked full time for two summers in the lab and am writing (well, trying to write) a thesis on my work. Once I got into it, I absolutely loved it.
You may get into it and still hate it, but it made me enjoy all of my labs a lot more after that (not really sure why...I guess just being forced into it full-time made me feel more knowledgeable/in-control during all labs), which made life as a biochem major so much easier. It honestly will probably make you more comfortable in med school labs too, just because you'll have that much more lab time over everyone else. (I'll let you know if that's true when I get there! 🙂)
It's a worthwhile experience to just try once. If you hate it, just don't do it again. Most profs don't have a contract that says you have to work with them every summer until you graduate. Who knows, maybe you'll decide you love it and want to be an MD/PhD.
gluck!
 
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