What are the schools that dont require a bachelor degree to apply? i want to save time and apply now before I get my bachelor .as far as I know NSU doesnt require that .any other schools?
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I know there are a few, but I don't know which ones. You will have to check with the schools. Also, if you don't plan on have your degree before you matriculate, I think that you have to be a really competive applicant for them to consider you. Are you applying for next fall? If so, did you submit your application yet? If you didn't apply yet and you were planning to, I don't know if I would suggest it at this point because it is getting kind of late in the process and I think you will already be at a disadvantage due to your lack of a degree. I am not exactly sure about all of this, but that is what I have heard. Good luck with whatever you decide!!!
I think the problem you are going to run into is the question of how do you expect to get through medical school if you haven't even gotten through undergrad? If you are applying while you are getting your degree in the sense that you are going to graduate this june, then I think you are ok. If you are applying and you are not planning to finish your degree at all, then I think you will run into problems.
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Some schools do, but if you do research on those schools you'll see that those individuals accepted were real close to getting a bach. degree and they were above the 10%'s in their classes, as well as some if not all were Ivy League applicants, and most important of all when they finished their first year in Med School, their Undergrad college would grant them a bachelors degree. So in the end they DID have a bachelors degree. Ok lets say that a med school does accept you without a bachelors and you end up graduating and completing residency. When you go to get certified for lets say Florida you read the requirements and one of the most important requirements listed is you must have completed residency, have an MD or DO degree, and YOU MUST HAVE A BACHELORS DEGREE!! Which as I must tell you that for Florida this is 100% true. So imagine you wanting to practice or NEEDING to practice in one of these states but you can't and its probably gonna be to late. So bottom line get your BACHELORS degree, trust me you don't want to rush things just might be the biggest mistake you could make.
Just my 2 centz...
Good Luck,
Just my 2 centz...
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Besides your GPA is just average compared to other applicants, it is a good GPA though but you still need to take the mcats. So why would a med school choose YOU over an applicant who is 100% complete, he/she has a bachelors degree, a 3.7 over all, with a 3.89 BCPM, and good extra cirricular!! Unless you have a 4.2 GPA, you've been Ivy Leaguer all your life, have extremly incredible extra-cirriculars and research, ummm I dont really see it happening Sorry if I offended you. (not my intentions) 😀
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I agree...bachlelors degree is highly important, not only personally but professionally as well. Just finishing pre-reqs is not enough...for the extra year take some course that interest you, or take a lighter load and do some amazing ec's, maybe study abroad...but finish your undergrad because you will come across some problems later without the bachelors...and you do have to be an outstanding applicant to be considered without it. Good luck no matter what road you choose.😉
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I don't think there is any med school that will let you matriculate without a bachelor degree, at least I hope there is not! Also, why would you want to pursue to a graduate degree when you don't have a undergrad degree anyway? Medical school is not a sprint it is a marathon. Are you saying that you never plan to obtain a bachelor degree, or are you asking if there are schools that will consider you as an applicant BEFORE you eventually obtain a bachelor degree, because that is two very different situations. 😕
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Well, TCOM definitely does accept those without a bachelor's...and I'm proof of it. TCOM class of 2011, right here😀 . Though I didn't just take my pre-reqs then apply, I've had plenty of upper level science classes: microbiology, 2 semesters biochem, 2 semesters anatomy and physiology, a separate human physiology, genetics, immunology, evolutionary biology, and I'm signed up to take cell bio, neuroscience, and develpmental bio this upcoming spring. But like others I've heard of that have matriculated without a bachelor's, I didn't have much left to take until I would have graduated.
But according to medschoolready.com, only 10 out of the 23 osteopathic schools in the US require a bachelor's degree as a pre-requisite for matriculation.
But according to medschoolready.com, only 10 out of the 23 osteopathic schools in the US require a bachelor's degree as a pre-requisite for matriculation.
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I guess I just don't understand why you'd take 30 or so classes and not take an extra two so you could have a Bachelor's Degree. Say something goes horribly wrong and you don't get through med school. Then what? What's the big deal with just getting the degree?
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I second everyone's answers above; I would just like to point out something else that they haven't addressed. The A&P 1 and 2 will not count as science, so unless you have some compelling reason to take them (like required for your major), I wouldn't recommend taking them. It would be better to take anatomy and then physiology.
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There are a lot of medical schools that only require 90 hours and not a degree. Yet, very few of them ever accept anyone under those circumstances. One of the state schools where I used to live only requires 90 hours, yet they haven't taken anyone without a degree in over 20 years. Why? There are just too many good candidates that actually have degrees.
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A great number all US med schools MD and DO do this, as well as all pharmacy schools, and many other professional and graduate schools. Like the above post says, that doesn't mean it actually happens often.
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This isn't true. A&P 1 and 2 WILL count as science. What else could it possibly be? It's not a pre-req for med school, but it will count as a science and probably a bio class.
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I'm going to echo everyone said in here about finishing your bachelors. I see that kids are in a hurry to graduate but you also need to enjoy the time you have in college. I feel bad as I know a kid trying to get into a school without a bachelors just because he wants to "finish up and get done". I can related but for me a bachelors degree is an accomplishment. And to be so close and just say forget about it is stupid and immature in my opinion. I'm sure its important to your parents as well.
But I'm old-fashion ... 😳 So maybe that isn't what everyone else thinks. What happens if you decide to leave medicine and don't have your bachelors? You'll have ot go back and finish it ...
But I'm old-fashion ... 😳 So maybe that isn't what everyone else thinks. What happens if you decide to leave medicine and don't have your bachelors? You'll have ot go back and finish it ...
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I got in without a degree, but that was 4 years ago. (Yeesh! Time flies.) I know of one other person in my class that did this as well. It doesn't happen often, but it can happen. Good luck.
i don't see it stupid at all, why do i have to spend another undergrad years and add more money to loans if i can get in without it? . and about your assumption if i decide to leave medicine then I'll go back and resume what i left.i understand it is important but time and money are important too.
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Time and money for 6 classes? I'm sorry if I think that is someone that is 20is a little immature not really thinking of the symbolic importance of bachelors. That's just my opinion though. I know my parents would want me to finish my degree and about 99% of other medical students I know have bachelors (or do BS/MD programs).
If you don't feel its worth the time or effort then feel free to ignore my advice. But if I had an extra year of college to walk at graduation with my friends and enjoy my senior year of college, I would because the next 7 years (at least) are going to be hell. Again, this is just my opinion from what i've seen from friends who have gone from college directly into medical school and those who were in BS/MD programs. (all of them have their bachelors though ... ) Those in the BS/MD programs felt that they did miss out in college but that is all hindsight talking.
Hindsight is 20/20.
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That's not how it works. Credits expire. At my school, they expire in five years if you don't continuously take classes. Some schools, it's 7 or 8. In other words, your credits could expire by the time you figure things out.
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It's absolutely true. It has always been that way. A&P is a nursing course, or other allied health course. Notice in the following link from AACOMAS that allied health courses and nursing do not count as science. Notice what does count as science (not A&P). You might think it should count, but AACOMAS doesn't, unfortunately they make the rules.
https://aacomas.aacom.org/applicants2007/help/ins_sess_ac.htm
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a&p stands for anatomy and physiology. both of which are on the list of biology classes. i don't see why it wouldn't count. i know at my school, you had to take take both parts for it to count as biology elective. so in essence, you are still taking one semester of phys. and one of anatomy, but they combine it in one class, so you must take both for it to count. i hope that made sense.
maybe someone else who took a&p and filled out aacomas could fill us in. because it doesn't make any sense that both anatomy and physiology on there own would count as biology, but when combined, they only count as a nursing course. (not trying to pick on the person who posted this, but it makes no sense to me😕 😕)
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Anatomy and physiology on their own are SCIENCE courses taken in a SCIENCE department for a SCIENCE degree. A&P is a NURSING course taken in a NURSING department for a NURSING degree. One way to understand the difference: In nursing classes, the labs are just there to reinforce the lecture. In science classes, the labs are there to teach the scientific process in addition to the lecture material. Labs are a big part of how science is taught and evaluated.
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Hey all,
Just wanted to let you all know that I put down A&P 1 and 2 as science classes and they were counted in towards my science AACOMAS credits, I am not sure if that helps with the A&P debate. Also, I know that everyone's situation is different but I say get the bachelor degree it's worth it! 👍 You have already spent a good deal of money on getting 90+ credits so you might as well spend a little more and finish, it's a great achievment. I know that when I finish with all my schooling I will proudly display my associate's, bachelor's, and medical degree. They are symbols of what we have been working so hard all these years to accomplish. 😀
Just wanted to let you all know that I put down A&P 1 and 2 as science classes and they were counted in towards my science AACOMAS credits, I am not sure if that helps with the A&P debate. Also, I know that everyone's situation is different but I say get the bachelor degree it's worth it! 👍 You have already spent a good deal of money on getting 90+ credits so you might as well spend a little more and finish, it's a great achievment. I know that when I finish with all my schooling I will proudly display my associate's, bachelor's, and medical degree. They are symbols of what we have been working so hard all these years to accomplish. 😀
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maybe at your school a&p was only part of the nursing program, but at my undergrad, there was a&p 1 and 2 which part of the biology program, and they had a BIOLOGY course id (IE: BIO221).
all of my pre-med friends at other colleges/universities have told me the same thing, they took a&p through their own biology department. i am sure there is a&p through the nursing program, but what pre-med would take a nursing course?
i'm not trying to pick a fight, but you are putting up facts that are not 100% correct and could lead someone in the wrong direction. as long as a&p at your college is in the BIOLOGY course catalog, it will count as a bio class in AACOMAS.
btw-where did you go to college jk?
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I don't know where you're getting your information, but you're wrong. A&P is a Bio course. Yes, it's required for people going into nursing as well as PA, physical therapy, etc., but it is most certainly a Bio course. If your school offers A&P through the Nursing program, then that's your school's problem, but A&P at every college and university I know of is a Biology course.
As for the link you provided, it doesn't state anything about A&P being a nursing course. It has them separated under science, but says nothing of a combined A&P course. I've had several friends who applied DO both last year and this year and in every single case, A&P was counted as a science, so please don't post inaccurate information.
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I am in agreement with the above posts disagreeing with your statements about A&P. In the link that you provided for aacomas it says that anatomy and physiology ARE biological sciences. It does not say that they are considered anything besides science courses. 😕
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I took A&P 1 at a school that has a bio and a nursing program. It counts towards either degree. I listed it and it counted as science on my AACOMAS application. If A&P is not a science because it is a nursing class, does that mean microbiology is not a science either? Micro is required for nursing majors too. Maybe it is specific to some schools and they have different classes for different majors, but in general and certainly on the AACOMAS application I say that it is definitely a science. 😀
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if u really wanted to save time and money u could have finished all yer credis and pre-reqs in 3 years and graduated college a year early....that would have killed 2 birds with one stone. graduate early, have a degree already and u can apply to med school! I know several ppl that did that. though, that's pretty intense and I think unless u can really handle that and are super organized....but since u have only 4 classes left....i guess it is up to you.
Did u already take the MCAT? if u start applying now its not like u will get in in 3 mos. during that time u sit and wait for acceptances or rejections, u can already finish up those 3-4 classes...
what do u think?
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I personally know a pediatric heart surgeon that went to one of the top medical schools in the nation and he didn't even have a high school degree. He still doesn't. Anything can happen. He knew he had a lot of training ahead with pediatric heart surgery so he got through the premedical classes as fast as he could. He just sort of skipped high school and snuck into college.
Every story is different. If you feel the need to just get done with undergrad...then go for it. Sorry, but I have no idea what schools do not require bachelors. I also know many who started pharmacy school with out an undergraduate degree, so your ideas of getting done quickly is not unique. It can be done without regrets.
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It says anatomy is, and it says physiology is. It does not say anatomy and physiology is. It says nursing courses are not. Anatomy and physiology is almost always a nursing or health course. Nursing and health are not sciences.
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Historically it is the norm for pharmacy school to matriculate without a degree. The majority of pharmacists I work with had no undergrad degree before pharmacy school. That is changing, though, as application gets more competitive.
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No Bachelors, DCOM Class of 2011! Can be done!
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Neuroscience is awesome. I think everyone should be required to take it in undergrad. The professor I had is one of the PhD's at TCOM in the neuropharmacology department. Maybe I should have asked for a LOR from him. 🙂
Definitely get the bachelor's. Yes, it's more debt and you won't use it, but you can get a lot of satifaction from it. It is an accomplishment.
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Unless it has an NUS prefix, Anatomy and Physiology is a biology class. Call and ask if you don't believe me, but I guarantee they will say the same. Unless it's offered by the nursing department, it's a bio class, offered by the bio department and required for physician's assistants, nursing students, etc. and can be used as a bio elective for bio majors, pre-med students, and everyone else.
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It is considered a non science major class in that case as it is intended for non science majors, like the biology general studies level class for every major. A&P is not a science class.
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You're wrong. How many people have to tell you you're wrong before you believe it? I'm a bio major and A&P was a bio class required for my major. For PA school, which I'm thinking of applying to if I don't get into med school, A&P is REQUIRED. I called AMCAS myself and they said A&P is considered a bio class for allopathic schools. I don't see any difference with osteopathic schools. Just look it up. You're just looking foolish at this point.
What you're saying is that it's a nursing class. Yes, nursing students take it PRE-NURSING, but it is NOT a nursing class. Nursing classes, by MD and DO standards, are those that are taught IN nursing school, not those that are taught in regular undergrad. There's no such thing as a nursing class in regular undergrad, just like there's no such thing as a "medical" class in regular undergrad. It's pre-med.
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First of all, I'm not even talking about AMCAS. I could care less what they think. This is the pre osteo forum. Second, just because a few premeds disagree with me and really, really want it to be science, doesn't make it science. Third, this has been discussed ad nauseum; do a search. Fourth, if it is required for your bio major, then you can probably get an exception. Fifth, there is a such thing as nursing in regular undergrad; my university, for example, has a regular undergrad nursing program that my cousin just completed.
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It's cool that you don't care about AMCAS. I just called AACOMAS. They told me A&P is a bio class and should be entered as such on the application. How's that?
DUH. I know nursing is a bachelor's program, but nursing classes ARE NOT available to regular undergrads. That's what I meant. If A&P were a nursing class, then Joe Shmoe couldn't take it just because he wants to. Any class that's in a specific program, is available to students in that specific program ONLY, unless you appeal for an override.
I'm through with this. Many people have told you you're wrong. AMCAS and now AACOMAS say you're wrong. I say you're wrong. Most colleges and university class lists and class descriptions say you're wrong. If you want to sit in your own little corner and think you're right, go right ahead.
But you're wrong.
And FYI, the phrase is "I couldn't care less." If you could care less, then you care a lot. Just a tip.
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Just for the record and to get back on track, I believe it depends on the individual. How good is your GPA? How well did you do on the MCAT? How well did you do in the interview? There are numerous people that have gotten into medical school, both allopathic and osteopathic, without a bachelors degree. Yes it is an accomplishment, would I apply if I were in fido's shoes? Yes. If you're not accepted then you haven't lost anything but money, and don't worry they'll print more!
But, if you are not accepted then continue to take the courses to finish your degree and try again the next year. Who knows, you may get accepted prior to finishing, but if you're fairly young without much experience, both professional and life, then you will be better off finishing your degree and scoring 30+ on the MCAT. Just my two cents and experience (personal and having watched others).😀 Do what you feel you need to do.😎
But, if you are not accepted then continue to take the courses to finish your degree and try again the next year. Who knows, you may get accepted prior to finishing, but if you're fairly young without much experience, both professional and life, then you will be better off finishing your degree and scoring 30+ on the MCAT. Just my two cents and experience (personal and having watched others).😀 Do what you feel you need to do.😎