Not impossible to return to Canada with Australian Training

[redshifteffect]

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Though this proably isn't good news for people from Ontario, there is a GP from Australia (with an FRACGP) who has been able to work as a fully licensed GP in Alberta, Canada. With passing the CCFP he can now work in Ontario.

www.rpap.ab.ca/images/upload/RPAP-Hotsheet-January2007.pdf

This article has been written by Anthea Maseka, a physician spouse, wife of Dr. Dereck Maseka, living in Drumheller, AB having moved with family in 2005 from Australia

http://www.rpap.ab.ca/images/upload/RPAPNews April2006.pdf

Originally from Zambia, the Maseka’s first
moved to Swaziland, South Africa and then
to Australia where they lived in Halls Creek,
Kimberley Region for seven months before
settling in Port Hedland, Bilbara Region.

 

[redshifteffect]

Here is an Australian trained Pathologist who is head of the University Health Network Department of Pathology (Toronto). He completed his fellowship from Melbourne.

He's actually quite a famous pathologist, and is the editor for an important Pathology Journal.

http://resources.bmj.com/bmj/about-bmj/about-bmj/editorial-advisory-board-1/runjan-chetty

 

[fruits&passion]

I sure hope that in the years to come, it'll be just as easy for future Australian med school grads for come back home to Canada to practice, especially with "med schoo tsunami" in the forecast there...

Although I personally would not mind living in small towns and practicing medicine in Australia...let's hope that I get in first. lol. One step at a time.

 

[redshifteffect]

I sure hope that in the years to come, it'll be just as easy for future Australian med school grads for come back home to Canada to practice, especially with "med schoo tsunami" in the forecast there...

Although I personally would not mind living in small towns and practicing medicine in Australia...let's hope that I get in first. lol. One step at a time.

Remember though this means you have to complete all of your training in Australia, including post-graduate training. It is probably good news for those people who come to Australia and decide after training they want to return to Canada.

Getting into GP training in Australia is challenging but not impossible, so at least there's some hope for people looking to do GP training - at least much more so then CaRMs.

 

[fruits&passion]

Yup, it'll be a challenge post-graduation regardless of where I go. I think the best thing to do is to keep an open mind and hope for the best. Things will change in the next few years so just gotta go with it. As long as I can get a job somewhere, I'd be happy.

 

[JPR22]

For those who do post-grad training in Oz, the world is their oyster. Coming back to canada isnt really an issue. My concern is for those who fail to obtain post-grad positions, being left in the cold. With positions becoming scarcer in the us, carms always being competitive for IMGs, and the UK essentially closed for IMGs, theres likely going to be some canadians with no jobs post-grad, as the med-tsunami progresses. This is a problem when they owe nearly 200K!

 

[redshifteffect]

For those who do post-grad training in Oz, the world is their oyster. Coming back to canada isnt really an issue. My concern is for those who fail to obtain post-grad positions, being left in the cold. With positions becoming scarcer in the us, carms always being competitive for IMGs, and the UK essentially closed for IMGs, theres likely going to be some canadians with no jobs post-grad, as the med-tsunami progresses. This is a problem when they owe nearly 200K!

I agree there's going to be some people left in the cold. However there are still going to be plenty of rural hospitals that are not going to have enough applicants because locals simply do not want to work there. Private hospitals too are in this position because it's much cheaper to hire an intern/RMO/Reg then a locum...

The problem though is that many Canadians would also not be willing to work in some of those areas, and if they don't think of applying to them might end up jobless.

 

[JPR22]

Im sure this has been posted before, but what is the ratio of oz grads to post grad spots both now and 5-10 years from now?

 

[Excanuk]

Post grad spots are continually being created...even know they are adding more spots in a lot of different specialties every year.

 

[JPR22]

Post grad spots are continually being created...even know they are adding more spots in a lot of different specialties every year.

Is there a source with the exact numbers?

 

[lyndal]

Is there a source with the exact numbers?

No...and thats the main difficulty. Both Australia and canada are currently in a state of flux with changes in numbers and rules on both sides. No-one can predit accurately how the situation will be in either country in the next 5-10 years. I am optimistic that it is not going to be as bad as the doomsday that is at times predicted on this thread, and my sources (from places such as MCC, CARMS and IMET) are also carefully positive about our students' chances of getting home. At the end of the day stuyding in another country is always a risk... but it is far from impossible.

Lyndal

 

[quartel]

I still dont get the reasoning behind wanting so badly to work in Canada especially when it's so 'challenging' for IMG's to work there. But hey, it's your life. 👍

 

[redshifteffect]

I still dont get the reasoning behind wanting so badly to work in Canada especially when it's so 'challenging' for IMG's to work there. But hey, it's your life. 👍

Maybe it's the cheaper Tommy Hilfiger clothes 😉

 

[redshifteffect]

http://www.cpso.on.ca/whatsnew/councilupdates/default.aspx?id=3190

Registration Pathways
Council approved, in principle, a new registration pathway designed to simplify registration requirements for physicians trained in specific programs overseas. This pathway will not become operational until further steps have been taken.

To be eligible for this new pathway, physicians must have:

trained in jurisdictions with accreditation systems recognized by the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Canada. Such jurisdictions include Australia, Hong Kong, the Republic of Ireland, New Zealand, Singapore, Switzerland, South Africa and the UK;
Part 1 of the MCCQE (or equivalent);
a certificate of registration in Canada or an approved jurisdiction.
Physicians who enter through this pathway will also be subject to certain conditions including:

having a supervisor/mentor for one year;
required to complete part 2 of the MCCQE; and
an assessment of their practice in Ontario within one year.
The pathway was approved following several months of consultation with the profession and other stakeholders. Council adopted the pathway as a policy of the College in principle, subject to receiving government confirmation that it will assume responsibility for the creation of a satisfactory assessment framework for individuals who do not meet the criteria set out in this particular pathway.

Another proposed pathway designed to facilitate registration for international medical graduates trained overseas in jurisdictions not recognized by the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Canada was rejected by Council. Potential applicants through this route can use the Registration through Practice Assessment route as an alternative.

Four other new pathways to registration came into effect in December 2008 and the College has received more than 40 applications to date through these pathways to registration.

 

[redshifteffect]

Interesting this pathway hasn't actually been created (yet) but it's definitely an interesting move by Ontario.

Once again though this looks like it leaves GPs trained in those countries out in the cold...and they'll have to settle with other provinces.

 

[shan564]

So let me get this straight - I could complete my full training in Oz and still be certified in Ontario if I just pass the MCCQE and have a "mentor" for a year? Any idea which specialties might be eligible for this?

 

[redshifteffect]

So let me get this straight - I could complete my full training in Oz and still be certified in Ontario if I just pass the MCCQE and have a "mentor" for a year? Any idea which specialties might be eligible for this?

Well if you look at the RCPSC website currently all specialists in Australia are recognised, so I'm assuming they will continue to honour that list.

 

[pitman]

Pretty cool homework, Red.

I guess my only prob is that by the time I may be wanting to settle in Canadia, I'd have long ago forgotten the Part 1 material. What would you suppose would be considered "equivalent" to them? Can't think of anything in Oz, unless they count college exams.

 

[redshifteffect]

Pretty cool homework, Red.

I guess my only prob is that by the time I may be wanting to settle in Canadia, I'd have long ago forgotten the Part 1 material. What would you suppose would be considered "equivalent" to them? Can't think of anything in Oz, unless they count college exams.

My guess is the USMLE...unfortunately

If you're interested in going through this pathway I think you should do your LMCC (EE, QE1 + QE2) while you still have the stuff fresh in your mind. It's definitely a more passable exam then the USMLE, and I think Australian training/medschool really does prepare you well for it.

The QE2 is the same OSCE stuff that I had in my clinical years of med school, and what the FRACGP does for their exit exams...

The GP I posted on the link in the other thread said that it was actually quite easy to pass with his Australian training, and he passed it in his first try.

P.S. Canadia lol..

 

[pitman]

Yeah, USMLE will probably be acceptable incidentally, but as that particular policy doesn't seem to be about US grads, I'm wondering if they're just saying that for those countries with barrier exams, their results will likely be accepted. But as Oz doesn't have such a thing (yet), it may be grads from here would have to take another country's exam (such as the USMLE, but maybe(!) the exam from any one of those other countries...)

At any rate, it's written vaguely enough that I guess they can either open up or restrict the option depending on how they feel at some later point.

 

[redshifteffect]

Yeah, USMLE will probably be acceptable incidentally, but as that particular policy doesn't seem to be about US grads, I'm wondering if they're just saying that for those countries with barrier exams, their results will likely be accepted. But as Oz doesn't have such a thing (yet), it may be grads from here would have to take another country's exam (such as the USMLE, but maybe(!) the exam from any one of those other countries...)

At any rate, it's written vaguely enough that I guess they can either open up or restrict the option depending on how they feel at some later point.

I agree, I think that since Oz doesn't have anything equivalent to the MCCQE1+2 I think Oz graduates will probably have to take the MCC.

Now currently the MCCEE is required for all overseas graduates before writing the MCCQE1 - do you think they might at least drop this requirement?

 

[JPR22]

I agree, I think that since Oz doesn't have anything equivalent to the MCCQE1+2 I think Oz graduates will probably have to take the MCC.

Now currently the MCCEE is required for all overseas graduates before writing the MCCQE1 - do you think they might at least drop this requirement?

The MCCEE brings in soo much money for the MCC. As does MCCQE 1 and2. I think they may drop the MCCEE if they're getting fees for the Royal College exams though.