Not passing a "non-academic" course?

[whodatiz]

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[UAAWolf]

OK so I need some opinions here....

My school has a couple of "non-academic" courses in MS1 that are basically solely graded on attendance. One of these is pretty much a series seminars in which our profs and local MDs team up for various presentations throughout the semester pertaining to clinical cases centered around the things we have been learning.

Earlier in the semester I mixed up the location of one of these presentations and showed up late- strike one. Just today I had to take care of a (legit) family situation and I e-mailed an administrator to be excused. I did not hear back until much later that this admin was not able to excuse students from experiences, only exams- strike two. Now I am most likely going to receive a "CP/P" grade which means "conditional pass/ pass" for this ancillary course. Would a CP/P grade on this course just destroy my transcripts/application for residency? How much damage would this do? Would the residency program directors even know that this isn't even an academic course?

Misc member? That you?

 

[whodatiz]

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[UAAWolf]

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Mirin' aesthetics brah. And no- I don't think it would hurt you. Generally MS1/2 grades don't matter, especially one you're talking about.

Try to do your best, but it will not hurt you man

 

[whodatiz]

I'm just really annoyed about this situation. I'm CRUSHING all of my classes, and then this crap happens- screwing me over on the dumbest class of the year. What are the odds this affects me down the line or gets brought up in interviews?

 

[cpants]

I'm just really annoyed about this situation. I'm CRUSHING all of my classes, and then this crap happens- screwing me over on the dumbest class of the year. What are the odds this affects me down the line or gets brought up in interviews?

Chances are slim to none that this will hurt you in any way for residency. The only way it could hurt you is if it causes some kind of disciplinary action or delays your advancement. Find out immediately what you need to do to remediate the course and get a solid pass, avoiding these possibilities.

 

[whodatiz]

Chances are slim to none that this will hurt you in any way for residency. The only way it could hurt you is if it causes some kind of disciplinary action or delays your advancement. Find out immediately what you need to do to remediate the course and get a solid pass, avoiding these possibilities.

Thanks for the response. I've already sent an e-mail to multiple administrators about it. I'm hoping they cut me some slack.

 

[bruinhd]

I'm just really annoyed about this situation. I'm CRUSHING all of my classes, and then this crap happens- screwing me over on the dumbest class of the year. What are the odds this affects me down the line or gets brought up in interviews?

Don't discount this class as "dumb". People always do that with stuff they are sucking at. I remember people sucking in clinic and going "whatever this isn't even academic"...umm, so you can memorize the kreb cycle just fine, but when it comes to actually doing stuff in clinic you can't cut it? Not saying this was your case, you apparently just had an issue with being there when it was happening.

With that said, like everyone else has said above, I'm sure you'll be just fine. But you should also try to see the value in case-based learning, as well as anything clinical. That is what practicing medicine actually is.

 

[cpants]

Don't discount this class as "dumb". People always do that with stuff they are sucking at. I remember people sucking in clinic and going "whatever this isn't even academic"...umm, so you can memorize the kreb cycle just fine, but when it comes to actually doing stuff in clinic you can't cut it? Not saying this was your case, you apparently just had an issue with being there when it was happening.

With that said, like everyone else has said above, I'm sure you'll be just fine. But you should also try to see the value in case-based learning, as well as anything clinical. That is what practicing medicine actually is.

Exactly...it's dumb in the sense that it's dumb not to pass it. If your school requires it you have to consider it important regardless of your opinion of the content.

 

[whodatiz]

Don't discount this class as "dumb". People always do that with stuff they are sucking at. I remember people sucking in clinic and going "whatever this isn't even academic"...umm, so you can memorize the kreb cycle just fine, but when it comes to actually doing stuff in clinic you can't cut it? Not saying this was your case, you apparently just had an issue with being there when it was happening.

With that said, like everyone else has said above, I'm sure you'll be just fine. But you should also try to see the value in case-based learning, as well as anything clinical. That is what practicing medicine actually is.

Exactly...it's dumb in the sense that it's dumb not to pass it. If your school requires it you have to consider it important regardless of your opinion of the content.

That's exactly what I mean- it's dumb not to pass it. It is a course in which you are evaluated solely on your attendance, so there isn't much to "suck" at. You can pass this course whether you show up on time and pay attention or play tetris on your phone for two hours.

 

[hot sauce]

I don't know if you did this already but when talking to the administration / course director do your best to come across as apologetic and how you take the class very seriously, think it is important ect (even though it doesn't sound like you do from your posts) and ask what you can do to make up for your absence. You have a much better chance of succeeding with this approach than if you tell them it is a stupid class anyway or sound demanding.

Basically I'd just say I'm really sorry I was late and missed a class. I understand this class is an important part of medical education and I'd really to complete all the requirements. Is there anyway I can make for absence? I'm guessing they won't have you do anything extra but the fact that you offered will show them you are taking it seriously and not trying to blow the class off.

 

[gravitywave]

That's exactly what I mean- it's dumb not to pass it. It is a course in which you are evaluated solely on your attendance, so there isn't much to "suck" at. You can pass this course whether you show up on time and pay attention or play tetris on your phone for two hours.

yeah.... you're still not getting it. all you had to do was show up... and you didn't. and now you're mad?

someone on here said not too long ago that 90% of this career was literally just showing up on time. how is this so difficult for some people to understand?

 

[hot sauce]

yeah.... you're still not getting it. all you had to do was show up... and you didn't. and now you're mad?

someone on here said not too long ago that 90% of this career was literally just showing up on time. how is this so difficult for some people to understand?

He did say he had a legit family situation. Of course without knowing the details it is impossible to judge if it was or was not legit as some people throw out that excuse for anything or it could have been something very serious. But it doesn't matter if we think it was legit - it just matters if his school thinks it is.

 

[whodatiz]

I don't know if you did this already but when talking to the administration / course director do your best to come across as apologetic and how you take the class very seriously, think it is important ect (even though it doesn't sound like you do from your posts) and ask what you can do to make up for your absence. You have a much better chance of succeeding with this approach than if you tell them it is a stupid class anyway or sound demanding.

Basically I'd just say I'm really sorry I was late and missed a class. I understand this class is an important part of medical education and I'd really to complete all the requirements. Is there anyway I can make for absence? I'm guessing they won't have you do anything extra but the fact that you offered will show them you are taking it seriously and not trying to blow the class off.

Thanks, I appreciate the advice. A little sincerity goes a long way.

yeah.... you're still not getting it. all you had to do was show up... and you didn't. and now you're mad?

someone on here said not too long ago that 90% of this career was literally just showing up on time. how is this so difficult for some people to understand?

Yea... you are a *****. I had a legit family situation to take care of. Ultimately, the admins at my school understood my situation and excused my absence so I'm good to go. I understand you are the prototypical SDN azzhole that would like to see every MS1 around him/her fail, but you can at least do a better job of hiding it.

 

[gravitywave]

I understand you are the prototypical SDN azzhole that would like to see every MS1 around him/her fail, but you can at least do a better job of hiding it.

nah, i'm genuinely happy for you that it all got worked out. i believe you that your family situation was legitimate, and it'd be a shame to have an F on your record for prioritizing that.

i think what bothered me was your attitude that since you were "crushing" your other classes, you ought to be given a pass on this one, because you had decided that it was "dumb" and didn't matter. you took the course for granted, and almost got beat over the head with that choice. lesson learned.... ??