Not sending ALL transcripts

[jellybean404]

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Can Pharmcas and schools really find out if you dont send them ALL transcripts. If you dont send them a transcript from one school that you attended because you dont want them to see your low grades, will they ever find out. Is there some system that checks this out, or can you get away with it. Just wondering?

 

[cycloketocaine]

Can Pharmcas and schools really find out if you dont send them ALL transcripts. If you dont send them a transcript from one school that you attended because you dont want them to see your low grades, will they ever find out. Is there some system that checks this out, or can you get away with it. Just wondering?

Ok. If you're even contemplating this, that's sad. I think that people who do this are cheaters. And, yes, they can find out. They'll ask, why did you take a 2 semester break from school? And you'll say...uuhhhh...ummmmm.....Well.....
Your transcripts from your current school will have that info on it as well.
And if they catch you, they'll kick you out so fast your head will spin. As well they should. It's CHEATING!!!! It's WRONG!!! And you want to be a pharmacist. You're supposed to make ethical decisions. What kind of ethics are those??? 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡

 

[117296]

Can Pharmcas and schools really find out if you dont send them ALL transcripts. If you dont send them a transcript from one school that you attended because you dont want them to see your low grades, will they ever find out. Is there some system that checks this out, or can you get away with it. Just wondering?

Academic history can also show up on a background check which I guarantee you they'll perform on all admittees.

Plus, if you do get caught...you'll never get in anywhere else EVER. It's just an all around bad idea. Remember...two wrongs don't make a right...(the first wrong being whatever is on that transcript😕 )

 

[ZpackSux]

Ok. If you're even contemplating this, that's sad. I think that people who do this are cheaters. And, yes, they can find out. They'll ask, why did you take a 2 semester break from school? And you'll say...uuhhhh...ummmmm.....Well.....
Your transcripts from your current school will have that info on it as well.
And if they catch you, they'll kick you out so fast your head will spin. As well they should. It's CHEATING!!!! It's WRONG!!! And you want to be a pharmacist. You're supposed to make ethical decisions. What kind of ethics are those??? 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡

One word... I mean 2 words...

Big Red

 

[PharmMnM]

Why dont you try it and find out......then come back here and post your outcome. lol.

 

[undertow]

i agree, haha

 

[MuraRX]

You're not the only person to have a few bad marks on their record. If you did poorly I would assume you repeated the courses or made up for it down the line by getting high grades in your other classes. It would be a really bad idea to try to cover it up because you are risking ruining your chances to get into any pharmacy school, not to mention that its unethical (not very pharmacist-like).

If it is so bad that you think your chances will be jeopardized by showing the grades, try explaining your situation during that time in your life in your personal statement. Perhaps you were going through a rough time because of a family/personal situation and it negatively affected your studies.

Whatever it is cannot be so bad that you would be ruled out solely because of that---as long as it was an isolated incident and not a trend throughout your college career.

Hope you make the right decision--good luck!

 

[konstantin123]

not true they cant call other schools and ask them about information. that is illegal. they only look at transcripts that you give them.some people here dont know what they are talking about. you guys should lay off and really look at the facts before you answer information. its only a question of thought. i guess squares only think in 2 ways who would of known.

 

[sdn1977]

not true they cant call other schools and ask them about information. that is illegal. they only look at transcripts that you give them.some people here dont know what they are talking about. you guys should lay off and really look at the facts before you answer information. its only a question of thought. i guess squares only think in 2 ways who would of known.

Good luck with that! Some of us have been all the way around the block & some of us have been on the inside....you never know who though! (You've already got 3 pharmacists & 2 pharmacy students chiming in on this).

Yes...they can & will find out. But...go ahead - try it yourself as others have posted....no amount of explaining will explain away a deliberate intention to misrepresent yourself. But...a good & justifiable explanation can explain away a set of poor grades.

One of the first lessons you learn as a pharmacist - admit your mistakes up front - never cover up nor claim it wasn't your fault - take responsibility & do what you can to mitigate any further potential damage.

 

[konstantin123]

Clearly, lying is inappropriate, and don't do it!

However, failing to submit a transcript from a school can never be found out. If you fail to submit your freshman grades from a college, clearly, AMCAS is going to wonder what you were doing your freshman year, and this will raise flags, causing you to be in deep trouble.

However, if you fail to submit transcripts from "other" colleges that you "tried" courses on for size but did poorly, AMCAS will never know. For instance, I know someone who took organic several times until she received an A but did not submit her previous "attempts" which were not at her home school. While I don't agree with her, AMCAS will not find out about her because they have no way of knowing that she took the classes. According to the Family and Education Privacy Act of 1974, educational records are sealed and only the student can release them, which is why students must request their transcripts be sent. If the student fails to submit some transcripts to AMCAS, it would be illegal for AMCAS to obtain the transcripts EVEN IF THEY KNEW THEY EXISTED. But AMCAS would have no way of knowing such transcripts even existed unless the student disclosed that. AMCAS is powerful but anemic when it comes to this issue. Interestingly, some schools maintain "internal" records that are not disclosed to AMCAS. I know of at least one Ivy which openly declares that it will not disclose classes students fail. AMCAS is aware of this policy and cannot do anything about it. The only way AMCAS could obtain these records would be to break into the school's system which would be highly illegal.

Given this policy, do you think AMCAS should sue the Ivy that I'm talking about and force them to disclose? What legal basis would AMCAS have for such a suit? Would they hire a Wall Street firm to litigate? Would the Ivy, which has a larger endowment than AMCAS, win the suit? Is AMCAS more powerful than the FBI, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and the CIA all put together!

 

[abt04]

not true they cant call other schools and ask them about information. that is illegal. they only look at transcripts that you give them.some people here dont know what they are talking about. you guys should lay off and really look at the facts before you answer information. its only a question of thought. i guess squares only think in 2 ways who would of known.

OMG are you kidding me? theorectical or not, what makes u think illegal activities are the only way to dig for information. but i do agree that not everyone had to jump on this person's throat about a question.. dumb or not.

realistically they will find out, i know a person who didnt know that you had to report all grades (or so he said) and then he was accused of academic dishonesty when they find out. got kicked out of course. this was for applying to college, to imagine if it was for professional school.

how? such as financial aid ?!! almost all ppl apply to fafsa. and financial aid do keep track of the schools you attended. even if you dont apply for fin. aid, they will find out anyways. they have resources that we students are not really aware of. so why risk?

 

[konstantin123]

believe or not there are people who send in fake transcripts with out ever having to take loads of course. i think that is a big illegitimate crime. that should be punishable to the fullest. i dont think students should suffer for not turning in transcripts. for god sakes there are fake pharmacists out their who bought their degrees years ago before it became trendy.

 

[117296]

Clearly, lying is inappropriate, and don't do it!

However, failing to submit a transcript from a school can never be found out. If you fail to submit your freshman grades from a college, clearly, AMCAS is going to wonder what you were doing your freshman year, and this will raise flags, causing you to be in deep trouble.

However, if you fail to submit transcripts from "other" colleges that you "tried" courses on for size but did poorly, AMCAS will never know. For instance, I know someone who took organic several times until she received an A but did not submit her previous "attempts" which were not at her home school. While I don't agree with her, AMCAS will not find out about her because they have no way of knowing that she took the classes. According to the Family and Education Privacy Act of 1974, educational records are sealed and only the student can release them, which is why students must request their transcripts be sent. If the student fails to submit some transcripts to AMCAS, it would be illegal for AMCAS to obtain the transcripts EVEN IF THEY KNEW THEY EXISTED. But AMCAS would have no way of knowing such transcripts even existed unless the student disclosed that. AMCAS is powerful but anemic when it comes to this issue. Interestingly, some schools maintain "internal" records that are not disclosed to AMCAS. I know of at least one Ivy which openly declares that it will not disclose classes students fail. AMCAS is aware of this policy and cannot do anything about it. The only way AMCAS could obtain these records would be to break into the school's system which would be highly illegal.

Given this policy, do you think AMCAS should sue the Ivy that I'm talking about and force them to disclose? What legal basis would AMCAS have for such a suit? Would they hire a Wall Street firm to litigate? Would the Ivy, which has a larger endowment than AMCAS, win the suit? Is AMCAS more powerful than the FBI, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and the CIA all put together!

Whose side are you on???? First you take the "Lying is inappropriate" angle, then you take the "it's not really lying if its illegal to find out" angle. I'm confused. Also, isn't AMCAS the med school application service???

 

[jmr5008]

if you took just 1 class or 2 at a community college during the summer and paid cash i dont see how they could find out. on the other hand if you paid with financial aid im sure they will be able to find out or if you took it at your normal college. i dont know anything about what pharm admissions check for but im guessing they might do some kind of financial check? i mean if you did get admitted and you used loans for pharm school im sure they'd be able to see where you used loans at before. all the courses ive taken in the summer so far the people at the financial aid said my parents made too much money which made me ineligible for using loans for summer school. which i think might be bs but thats besides the point.

 

[cycloketocaine]

One word... I mean 2 words...

Big Red

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[DrugDealer]

Seems highly unethical for someone wanting to enter such a trusted and respected profession. Maybe law school is more up your alley.....