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[borndoctor]

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Hi,
I am a Med student in India, and I don't exactly like the notes here. Most of the times, We have to read the textbooks and make our own notes. I was wondering if someone here would be nice enough to give me their basic sciences notes from the first two years. I would really appreciate it. I can pay you for the notes if you want. Please let me know.
I realise that there is a thread posted here, which is against FMGs, and seems like a lot of you would like to do without us. Let me tell you that in order to even get a simple IM residency, FMGs have to score in like 90 percentiles. The selection process is much more stringent for FMGs. It is obviously MD>DO>IMG>FMG, so we are at the bottom of the food chain, and in most cases, most residencies don't even allow FMGs. And the few that do allow, generally prefer taking AMGs. Well, that was a little off topic.
If anyone would like to help me with the class hand out notes, class presentations that you guys get at your schools, I would greatly appreciate it.
Please email me at [email protected]
Thank you so much

 

[78222]

Hi,
I am a Med student in India, and I don't exactly like the notes here. Most of the times, We have to read the textbooks and make our own notes. I was wondering if someone here would be nice enough to give me their basic sciences notes from the first two years. I would really appreciate it. I can pay you for the notes if you want. Please let me know.
I realise that there is a thread posted here, which is against FMGs, and seems like a lot of you would like to do without us. Let me tell you that in order to even get a simple IM residency, FMGs have to score in like 90 percentiles. The selection process is much more stringent for FMGs. It is obviously MD>DO>IMG>FMG, so we are at the bottom of the food chain, and in most cases, most residencies don't even allow FMGs. And the few that do allow, generally prefer taking AMGs. Well, that was a little off topic.
If anyone would like to help me with the class hand out notes, class presentations that you guys get at your schools, I would greatly appreciate it.
Please email me at [email protected]
Thank you so much

I would reccomend just getting the board review books. They have everything you need to know (First Aid is good).

edit: This will also have everything you need. http://drslounge.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=298847&highlight=histo

 

[crazy_cavalier]

I was wondering if someone here would be nice enough to give me their basic sciences notes from the first two years. I would really appreciate it. I can pay you for the notes if you want. Please let me know.

No.

"Nice enough" or not... FMG or not... it doesnt matter, some of us here get our notes from our school, and those notes are copyrighted material that belongs to the school and is not meant for anyone else. Stop soliciting on SDN for our notes - it's illegal for us to give you them.

If you want to be better prepared, like cerb said, try doing a search for free online helpful materials, and supplement your knowledge with board review books you can get from Amazon.com.

 

[Flopotomist]

I think most of the schools notes are:

1. Copyright protected - hence we can't legally (or ethically) give these away.

2. useless out of the context of the class - they don't simply stand alone, often they require explanations used in lectures.

3. in an order that won't necessarily match the order of your curriculum.

4. far too large to email, copy, or otherwise transmit to another person (I have nearly 6 full 2 inch binders from just first year so far).

Try getting the board review series books on Amazon - they may help you review more than a stranger's notes.

 

[WhoisJohnGalt]

Hi,
I am a Med student in India, and I don't exactly like the notes here. Most of the times, We have to read the textbooks and make our own notes. I was wondering if someone here would be nice enough to give me their basic sciences notes from the first two years. I would really appreciate it. I can pay you for the notes if you want. Please let me know.
I realise that there is a thread posted here, which is against FMGs, and seems like a lot of you would like to do without us. Let me tell you that in order to even get a simple IM residency, FMGs have to score in like 90 percentiles. The selection process is much more stringent for FMGs. It is obviously MD>DO>IMG>FMG, so we are at the bottom of the food chain, and in most cases, most residencies don't even allow FMGs. And the few that do allow, generally prefer taking AMGs. Well, that was a little off topic.
If anyone would like to help me with the class hand out notes, class presentations that you guys get at your schools, I would greatly appreciate it.
Please email me at [email protected]
Thank you so much

I don't really think anyone HAS what you're asking... most of us have hard copies of syllabi that we've written all over, and most of us throw them out when we're finished... by the end of the second year, we just use review books (probably not everyone, but most people). I understand where you're coming from, but you'd really do much better to trust books like First Aid, the BRS Series, the High Yield series, etc. than some random med student's notes. If they're not detailed enough, we can recommend particular books in whatever subjects you're interested in. We all have to take our own notes too... I'm not sure what advantage you think we have in that respect? (Certainly not claiming AMG's don't have SOME advantage in residencies, etc., just not sure about this one in particular).

On a totally different subject, could you tell me what the difference is between IMG & FMG? In my ignorance, I thought they were the same thing. Thanks!

 

[Law2Doc]

I don't really think anyone HAS what you're asking... most of us have hard copies

The higher tech schools have actually switched to "paperless" systems, so likely folks do have these things. However for copyright reasons only a fool would email them to a stranger.

 

[sacallaco]

On a totally different subject, could you tell me what the difference is between IMG & FMG? In my ignorance, I thought they were the same thing. Thanks!

IMG = an american doing med school outside of USA
FMG= non-american student

it goes something like that hehe

 

[WhoisJohnGalt]

IMG = an american doing med school outside of USA
FMG= non-american student

it goes something like that hehe

If that's the case, why would an IMG get preference over an FMG if they had the same training?

 

[WhoisJohnGalt]

The higher tech schools have actually switched to "paperless" systems, so likely folks do have these things. However for copyright reasons only a fool would email them to a stranger.

LOL in that case I'm glad we're not high tech... I've gotta have paper to read (computer monitor's too hard on my eyes!)

 

[sacallaco]

If that's the case, why would an IMG get preference over an FMG if they had the same training?

many reasons (endemic preference, less paperwork, etc.)...note that IMGs usually have an american bachelors degree...

 

[soeagerun2or]

How is it in anyway a copyright violation to distribute your own notes on a book or a lecture? Unless you're copying paragraphs & diagrams verbatim, which may or may not be the case, it's hardly a copyright violation. Also, I have only been to one lecture EVER where the lecturer explicitly said the material being presented was her own and it is copyrighted and therefore any description of the lecture or distribution of notes was in violation of copyright laws. Whats more, the majority of our lecturers freely steal material from the web and textbooks and present it without citing sources so they're just as guilty as you are in stealing intellectual property --even if they implicitly say it is their intellectual property. While some professors or schools have licenses to present materials to lectures, the concepts themselves aren't copyrighted but in the public domain.

 

[fpforever]

Hi,
I am a Med student in India, and I don't exactly like the notes here. Most of the times, We have to read the textbooks and make our own notes. I was wondering if someone here would be nice enough to give me their basic sciences notes from the first two years. I would really appreciate it. I can pay you for the notes if you want. Please let me know.
I realise that there is a thread posted here, which is against FMGs, and seems like a lot of you would like to do without us. Let me tell you that in order to even get a simple IM residency, FMGs have to score in like 90 percentiles. The selection process is much more stringent for FMGs. It is obviously MD>DO>IMG>FMG, so we are at the bottom of the food chain, and in most cases, most residencies don't even allow FMGs. And the few that do allow, generally prefer taking AMGs. Well, that was a little off topic.
If anyone would like to help me with the class hand out notes, class presentations that you guys get at your schools, I would greatly appreciate it.
Please email me at [email protected]
Thank you so much

Are you kidding!! You really have some nerve!! If you really think you are getting a subpar education in India, then why don't you just get into a US medical school. Didn't you get accepted by your Indian medical school to serve the local population there? I have met some superb and very highly knowledgeable grads from India. I don't buy your bs...If there is a thread here against FMGs, it's people like you who are contributing to that attitude.

FP

 

[Flopotomist]

If that's the case, why would an IMG get preference over an FMG if they had the same training?

an IMG (an American graduating from a foreign medical school) is still an American citizen, and able to work in this country without applying for a work visa. An FMG has to be sponsored by an employer, and there is significant paperwork involved.

 

[Law2Doc]

Also, I have only been to one lecture EVER where the lecturer explicitly said the material being presented was her own and it is copyrighted and therefore any description of the lecture or distribution of notes was in violation of copyright laws. Whats more, the majority of our lecturers freely steal material from the web and textbooks and present it without citing sources so they're just as guilty as you are in stealing intellectual property --even if they implicitly say it is their intellectual property. While some professors or schools have licenses to present materials to lectures, the concepts themselves aren't copyrighted but in the public domain.

In the US, you generally will have a copyright for original materials regardless of whether you explicitly say the material presented is copyrighted. The indication of (c) on the document helps in court cases for evidentiary reasons (puts potential infringers on notice), but doesn't create the copyright, that already exists. The concepts themselves aren't copyrighted, but the incorporation of them into the notesets absolutely is. So when you email someone a noteset created by your professor, you are infringing on his/her copyright. As for stealing materials from the web or textbooks, they ought to be citing sources -- I'd be surprised if they don't. Most of our lecture slides have footnotes for images and quotes taken from such resources.

 

[Law2Doc]

LOL in that case I'm glad we're not high tech... I've gotta have paper to read (computer monitor's too hard on my eyes!)

Most people have access to printers.

 

[WhoisJohnGalt]

Most people have access to printers.

Well of course they do, but printing out an entire syllabus is a huge pain... I'd much rather just have them pre-printed and shrink-wrapped 🙂 But certainly if you don't mind electronic copy, I can see that it saves trees and all that 🙂

 

[soeagerun2or]

In the US, you generally will have a copyright for original materials regardless of whether you explicitly say the material presented is copyrighted. The indication of (c) on the document helps in court cases for evidentiary reasons (puts potential infringers on notice), but doesn't create the copyright, that already exists. The concepts themselves aren't copyrighted, but the incorporation of them into the notesets absolutely is. So when you email someone a noteset created by your professor, you are infringing on his/her copyright. As for stealing materials from the web or textbooks, they ought to be citing sources -- I'd be surprised if they don't. Most of our lecture slides have footnotes for images and quotes taken from such resources.

That is also not true. A script to a movie or play can be copyrighted and the video of it can also be copyrighted. Watching the video/performance and writing your own script with subtle changes is the premise for the motion picture industry. Also, how would a review of a performance or even a book be legal if the material within is copyrighted to the extent of not even being discussed?

 

[Law2Doc]

That is also not true. A script to a movie or play can be copyrighted and the video of it can also be copyrighted. Watching the video/performance and writing your own script with subtle changes is the premise for the motion picture industry. Also, how would a review of a performance or even a book be legal if the material within is copyrighted to the extent of not even being discussed?

You are getting into the subtleties of copyright law, and actually what you have described, and what my post describes are not in conflict, if you understood the law. You may want to pick up a treatise on copyright law if you really want to know the ins and outs - amazon carries many. Restating facts in different words tends not to violate a copyright, while paraphrasing someone elses copyrighted original materials might be - but the answer isn't always cut and dry. Some law schools offer entire courses on copyright law, so it's not something that can be explained in a brief post.
But the short answer is that emailing your profs noteset to others not in the school is copyright infringement.

 

[njbmd]

Hi,
I am a Med student in India, and I don't exactly like the notes here. Most of the times, We have to read the textbooks and make our own notes. I was wondering if someone here would be nice enough to give me their basic sciences notes from the first two years. I would really appreciate it. I can pay you for the notes if you want. Please let me know.
I realise that there is a thread posted here, which is against FMGs, and seems like a lot of you would like to do without us. Let me tell you that in order to even get a simple IM residency, FMGs have to score in like 90 percentiles. The selection process is much more stringent for FMGs. It is obviously MD>DO>IMG>FMG, so we are at the bottom of the food chain, and in most cases, most residencies don't even allow FMGs. And the few that do allow, generally prefer taking AMGs. Well, that was a little off topic.
If anyone would like to help me with the class hand out notes, class presentations that you guys get at your schools, I would greatly appreciate it.
Please email me at [email protected]
Thank you so much

As others have said, notes from a US medical school are only helpful within the context of the class that the notes come from. Many medical schools have their outlines on-line but they are pretty useless unless you are in that particular course and are being tested by those professors.

A better alternative is to purchase review books for each discipline. Some like BRS Pathology or Harvey & Champ's Biochemisty rival the content of most US medical school courses. This is why they are such popular books and sell so many copies. There are excellent review books around for all medical school courses and you can order them on-line.

Taking notes from your textbook, as long as you learn the material, is not a bad way to master what you need. Presentations from classes, notes or handouts are not going to be very helpful to you and most likely a waste of your time since you are not taking the actual class that they are from.

 

[Bertelman]

4. far too large to email, copy, or otherwise transmit to another person (I have nearly 6 full 2 inch binders from just first year so far).

Amen. My stack was up to my knees after 2 years. I'll get right on scanning those. 🙄

 

[borndoctor]

Well thanks to all your input. I will try board review. So do you recommend me to read it before reading the textbook or after i am done making my notes? so do most of you read from textbooks after getting out of your classes? I am curious how things work over there? I was not trying to solicit your notes, etc., merely asking for help. I figured that since this is a site, where med students connect, it might be a place where I could get some help. But I guess, I understand that it is not legal, and even if it were, it wouldn't be viable.

 

[borndoctor]

By the way, has anyone tried Oklahoma notes? Is it any good? Please let me know.

 

[anon-y-mouse]

Well thanks to all your input. I will try board review. So do you recommend me to read it before reading the textbook or after i am done making my notes? so do most of you read from textbooks after getting out of your classes? I am curious how things work over there? I was not trying to solicit your notes, etc., merely asking for help. I figured that since this is a site, where med students connect, it might be a place where I could get some help. But I guess, I understand that it is not legal, and even if it were, it wouldn't be viable.

Get Kaplan Medessentials or the Kaplan USMLE Review books.

 

[MadHopsMD]

Hi,
I am a Med student in India, and I don't exactly like the notes here. Most of the times, We have to read the textbooks and make our own notes. I was wondering if someone here would be nice enough to give me their basic sciences notes from the first two years. I would really appreciate it. I can pay you for the notes if you want. Please let me know.
I realise that there is a thread posted here, which is against FMGs, and seems like a lot of you would like to do without us. Let me tell you that in order to even get a simple IM residency, FMGs have to score in like 90 percentiles. The selection process is much more stringent for FMGs. It is obviously MD>DO>IMG>FMG, so we are at the bottom of the food chain, and in most cases, most residencies don't even allow FMGs. And the few that do allow, generally prefer taking AMGs. Well, that was a little off topic.
If anyone would like to help me with the class hand out notes, class presentations that you guys get at your schools, I would greatly appreciate it.
Please email me at [email protected]
Thank you so much

whats AMGs? damn is a canadian doing medical school in the states an AMG. If so, where do we rank? MD>DO>IMG> AMG >FMG. that would suck, i was hoping I'll be higher than a DO (no disrespect intended)