Nova Southeastern University College of Osteopathic Medicine

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Nova Southeastern University
College of Osteopathic Medicine
3200 S. University Dr., Ft.
Lauderdale, FL 33328-2018


Admissions: 954 262 1101
e-mail [email protected] http://www.nova.edu
Deadline: 1/15
In State Tuition: around 19,500
Out-of State Tuition: around 19,500
Number of Students: around 580
Men: Women ratio: 7:3
Average MCAT: 8.5-9

Please post any experiences you have with this school.

This is part of the big guide at http://www.studentdoctor.net
 
I can't wait to start!! I was impressed by everything about NSU-COM, from the campus, to the faculty, to the students. The Doctor that I have volunteered with for the past year is a NSUCOM(actually SECOM) graduate and has nothing but wonderful things to say about the faculty and administration. I really like the Dean although I have heard negative things from UHS students about him and his policies. He spoke with us at the interview and seemed to be a really great guy. I even enjoyed meeting Dr. Terry ( the founder of the school), although I had been warned that he can be tough in the interview. I know that others will disagree with me (adrian)but I can not wait to be a part of NSU-COM!!
-Joshua
 
[I really like the Dean although I have heard negative things from UHS students about him and his policies. He spoke with us at the interview and seemed to be a really great guy. I even enjoyed meeting Dr. Terry ( the founder of the school), although I had been warned that he can be tough in the interview.
---I'm confused...you stated that you hadnt met ANYONE that felt like i did, yet YOU HAVE HEARD about the fiascos and the very negative attitudes of MANY students at Kansas City.
 
I'm confused..why would any students at UHS know anything about this at all??
 
The Dean at NSU-COM is the former Dean of UHS-COM. What I heard was that some students did not agree with the dress code or attendance policy. I am all for both of these, so for me it was not a big deal.

[This message has been edited by RollTide (edited 03-16-2000).]
 
Because the current Dean of Nova is the former Dean of UHS. I think he said he has been with Nova for about 1 year (1 and a half years?) and was at UHS for about 6 years.
 
actually it was regarding placing spy cameras in the classroom, stating that when he was a student he never went to class but you had better and also A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT I WILL DEFER TO ANY OF THE KANSAS ALUMS THAT WISH TO DELVE IN.
 
One last question and I'll move on to actually studying and preparing for internship....

1. Does anyone agree that the dean should have the right to release or allow the release of your private school records TO ANYBODY and also that he/she should be protected from repercussion if this information is released by members of his staff without your knowledge and consent?

2. Does anyone feel it is proper for a dean to stand in front of a classroom of medical students and threaten them with possible expulsion if they write any negative comments regarding their school?

3. If graduation/diplomas are papers stating you have met the requirements of the university, is there ANY reason for the university to write anything negative in your dean's letter...isn't this more a punitive measure than a question of being honest about different candidates, since you can use grades and class ranking and positive adjectives versus no positive adjectives to accomplish the same goal?...how could any university with a shred of common sense hand out diplomas while bad mouthing their graduates all the while hiding behind a liability waiver that is coerced from the students who usually dare not refuse to sign it?

I'm done, sorry if I offended anyone with my honesty....its a problem we often see with society...hiding our heads in the sand is so much safer with the nice sun warming our necks...hopefully no lions will attack us.
 
1)Yes , if you sign a waiver.
2)No
3)Yes, You should not get a good Dean's letter if the your evals did not indicate that you were deserving of one. Just because you have the classes to prove that you did well with the information, does not equate to deserving a glowing Dean's letter. The dean's letter is meant to represent more than what your grades show. If not, why would you need one?
 
so you are saying that it is ok for the dean's wife to tell your wife's attorney things about you?...its the schools definition of representative you are agreeing to.
is it legal to punish someone for not relinquishing their legal rights?
by your standards it is.

when you raise your children
will you punish them in high school for wetting the bed in kindergarten...or will you address the punitive measures to the time the offense occured...as EVERY OTHER SCHOOL WITH ANY INTEGRITY WOULD DO?

since no other medical schools require such a waiver (of the ten I have called) and since you are competing against these other school's students, and since you have done an outstanding clinical rotation and impressed the DME and your attendings at the hospital you are going to match with, and since EVERY PHYSICIAN youve EVER MET AGREES THAT THE ATTENDANCE POLICY IN THE FIRST TWO YEARS IS NONSENSE, who does the school really hurt by writing negative comments...NO OTHER SCHOOL WRITES NEGATIVE COMMENTS...most students match despite the negative comments.....NOVA is the only entity harmed by NOVA's policy...and if you dont see that, you definitely belong at NOVA.

and the really sad part is: you don't realize that this is a VERY CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM...
 
Finally, Adrian is someone who is exposing the truth about Nova Southeastern. I am also a current student at Nova and the politics are becoming all too apparent. There are many disgruntled students here. Don't ask for my name. Am I scared to give it out?..... Yes.
 
Sun, fun, and lies........
I agree with all that adrian has said in previous post and I feel that he represents the feeling of a number of students at our school. I am currently a student at NSU and have experienced a number of things previously talked about. In fact, we recently had the Dean do exactly that - stood up in front of the class and complained that people were posting messages on this board that were negative concerning prison rotations. People should have the right to say what they feel on the subject, considering that we were given no say in the matter of choosing whether we wanted to incorporate this into the cirriculum. A cirriculum that is saturated with classes to make us into family physicians and to expose us to this aspect of medicine only. We have speakers brought in telling us how much money can be made in rural medicine (the money issue tends to be brought up alot) and how wonderful it is. That may be so but I would like the oppertunity to decide this for myself. I do not want to be forced into a specialty just because those are the only oppertunities available to me or because that is the only thing I was triained for. Three months of rural med rotations are great if that is what I want to do - but they are taking up spaces that might allow a physician gain needed experience in another field. There just seems to be a lack of both oppertunities and choices at this school and it has made me a frustrated student. The education we are receiving is an excellent one and I feel like all this great training might go to waste because I cannot pursue the training (i.e. residency) that I want.
Adrian, do you think any of this will change? I am sure that it must be a concen of your as well, considering that internship is just around the corner.
 
I am glad you brought up the prison issue because i cant remember if i did and who the hell has time to reread my postings!!!
the prison isssue is that students are FORCED to go to prisons and work with the prison doctors...Now philosophically i disagree with this because 1. I dont believe in free medical care to prisoners and I dont believe that rapists and murderers should be allowed to walk out of a courtroom without the bailiff fulfilling their daily lead requirements...thats just me.
2. I think it is Extremely dangerous to place a student in a setting where they can be potentially taken hostage during a riot, stabbed by a hidden weapon etc...sounds kinda legally risky...Now granted I haven't spent much time in prison other than that time in turkey, but that was a while back...maybe the prisons are safe gentle pastoral areas now.
3. A STUDENT should have the decision on whether to go or not...I have seen two extremely interesting cases involving prisoners...one was a terminal aids patient who needed a central line and I will never forget the pain and fear on her face or the grinding sound of her teeth...it was haunting. the other was a nice forty year old male with paroxsymal nocturnal hematuria who was in prison for DRIVING WHILE BLACK and serving five years for having a very small amount of crack cocaine when ten times that amount of powder cocaine would have gotten him under a year with good behavior.
--to FORCE a prison experience upon students is in my OPINION equivalent to forcing a penis into them.
and then to censor them afterwards for protesting is just icing on the rapist's cake.

so, do I think it will get better...
1. education at NOVA has some bright spots.
in the past four years i think the clinical practicum courses have begun to improve...it is a slow process and adding overweight overbearing orcas detracts from the process.
There needs to be a renewed focus on development of a differential diagnosis during the first three years and
incorporation of the differential into a working plan during the second two years.
unfortuanately there is a complete lack of coherency to the haphazard way the second two years are handled. you may get bubba the dud IM guy while your friend gets Dr. God the IM guru...there is no NOVA driven plan for really DEVELOPING the student physician in the last two years...in fact the last two years are a massive ripoff...i pay out the yang so that i can rotate with a volunteer physician (and many are fantastic thank you drs. d and m) and Then I have to make sure that I get my evaluations into NOVA ...is there ANYthing NOVA does during the last two years for me other than hold my financial aid while my credit card defaults and delay writing my dean's letter until its almost too late???? NO.


there is poor oversight on most rotations and poor punitive measures on abusive physicians. ABUSIVE PHYSICIANS ARE SADISTS they are abusive because they remember being abused and so they ABUSE not the abuser but themselves (you) twenty years later...this hazing is unprofessional, demeaning, childish, and it is TOLERATED, which is institutional SANCTIONING of inappropriate behavior...who are they to criticize their students for negative comments...the students are BOMBARDED with negative comments everytime they dont know an answer or cant recall a lab value, hell, if i knew all the answers why would i need a teacher????
WHAT FOLLOWS is john's late night two beer manifesto for change:
the key to change is for people to refuse the ABUSE as a GROUP....an individual will never change the system without the group either supporting them, or gasping in horror when the individual is publicly mutilated.
1. CHANGE requires either group support or public martyrdom.
2. The new dean has to go...soon...he is an autocrat that violates his own mission statements both in faculty selection processes, and in student relations...he is bringing in more and more of his own people and if he is a mirror of them, we are in trouble.
3. STUDENTS SHOULD PUBLICLY WRITE AS GROUPS OF STUDENTS...if you post, post as a group and put your names on the posting...its a lot harder to screw a group and a lot easier to win a CLASS ACTION LAW SUIT. SEND A CIRCULATING COPY OF YOUR GROUP POSTING TO ALL DEPARTMENTS.
4. Students should find out who the worse secretaries (the power hungry usurpers) are and FIGHT TOOTH AND NAIL to get them ousted.
THESE VERMIN BADMOUTH YOU AND GOAD THE DEANS INTO NEGATIVE POSITIONS..I HAVE SEEN IT PERSONALLY
5. Students should enlist clandestine faculty advice and aid ..PROTECT THESE PEOPLE, NEVER EXPOSE THEM AND NEVER MENTION SOMETHING THAT ONLY A COUPLE OF FACULTY KNOW.....and always be GRACIOUS unless met with sheer arrogant incompetence, then be ferocious.
6. the students should hold secret meetings with secret class elections and secret class officers..RIGHT NOW YOUR PUPPET ELECTORATE ARE NOTHING BUT BROWNNOSERS LOOKING FOR SELF ADVANCEMENT, ANY GAINS THEY GATHER WILL BE SOLELY FOR PERSONAL RECOGNITION...these identities should be kept very secret, NO BROWNNOSER WOULD RUN FOR A SECRET OFFICE, WHERES THE BENEFIT? and the top students in the class should take charge as front people for the class, while not being part of the political machinery...ITS HARDER TO KICK OUT FIVE STRAIGHT A STUDENTS THAN FIVE BORDERLINE ONES. the stock phrase should be "some of my classmates asked me to talk to you about the following problem...."
7. Passive protests work when the PUBLIC IS NOTIFIED. THE PUBLIC LOVES SCANDAL AND SCANDAL BREEDS CHANGE. sometimes the THREAT of a scandal is enough to cause change!!!
anyone remember Senator John Tower?
8. Parents and alumni pressure!!!!BE PROACTIVE, GET ALUMNI RILED UP ABOUT THINGS.
the admin actually believes these are humans as compared to how they view your opinions.
9. work your butts off to get passing grades and figure out who needs help early and the brightest tutor the ones having problems..this will vary...
but you need to have a cohesive well oiled machine bent on improving each other and raising each other to the highest achievable level..make NOVA a great place to learn medicine ON YOUR OWN...then throw it in their faces that YOU DID IT NOT THEM...never tutor a FELLOW classmate for money and work toward COMPROMISE and HUMILITY...arrogance is a religious concept.. AND NOONE LEAD TOURS and if tours are given publiclly refuse to talk to the interviewees. stay in groups and publicly shun the tour guide.
You are fighting an uphill battle against some godlike egos. leave the arrogance to them...it is THEIR achilles heel
10. BE NICE TO EACH OTHER AND TREAT EACH OTHER LIKE FAMILY...DONT COMPETE EXCEPT IN A POSITIVE MANNER.
if you follow this manifesto, change may occur,or not, but its not easy to follow, and i am far from naive in understanding where priorities of the individual students lie.
keep the faith and thanks for telling the truth...I know how scary that is in this environment...you will hear "its a small field" but there are TONS of physicians out there who dont give a dime to this school because of its lack of concern for the student...seek them out, they may be closer than you think.
 
your once constructive opinions have turned into the ramblings of a crazy man. Please do not reply.
 
thank you for your first public acknowledgement that my statements were constructive, part of communication and growth is the ability to recognize the other sides strengths and to validate them.
I dont think calling me crazy is very constructive. If I had a thin skin i might be insulted (or if i hadn't heard it before from my psychiatrist)...if i WERE truly crazy it would be sort of stupid to call me crazy, thus i must interrupt it as an personal insult, correct me if im wrong. Please try not to insult your fellow students, While you may disagree with their positions, why not state why you disagree and do it without personal attack..lets break that cycle that some of our attending ascribe to, and attack the issues as adult conversants...thanks and good luck.
 
Adrian,
Hi I am a fourth year at Des Moines. I too am frustrated with the education we recieve in the third and fourth years. I have had meetings with the president, dean, and several board members. I write letters to the administration on a regular basis. What the Osteopathic profession cannot understand (they do, in reality) is that you have to pay clinical faculty. Just giving a physician a title of clinical faculty without compensations is rediculous. The problem is that HCFA is putting the clamps on postgraduate medical education funding.
You should voice your opinion to the people that it would effect the most. Remember that any successful school has the support of is alumni. If NOVA is producing unhappy students it will never become better than it is now. Write letters to board members. Try to state facts, give examples and don't insult anyone. The profession needs more people to be bullish like yourself.

Kent
 
Kent:
thank you, one of the reasons i am going to the internship that i am is precisely due to them having paid faculty...its like common sense dude.
just as it is impossible to assume that anything a first year says of a positive nature isn't under duress after being warned about speaking out the dean, it is impossible to assume that an unpaid faculty member will put the interests of the student above the interests of his/her practice.
I didn't want to go to far into that issue, since the people voicing their displeasure had specifically mentioned feeling censored and I was initially interested in raising that issue to its highest vitriolic peak...having accomplished that, LOL, i am planning on being VERY active in recruiting alumni to protest and in fact donate their energy into denying revenues to NOVA as long as NOVA puts their energies into facades and away from focusing on the clinical years.

Having said that, let me applaud the physicians that I have worked with this year.
The er at akron general, although an MD program was extremely gracious, allowed tons of student latitude...gave me my first gramstained fingers in four years (miss teaching those labs) saw a lot of clue cells and smelled some fishy odors, plus it taught me NEVER trust a single guaic (ischemic bowel s/p negative rectal), and it provided an ACTUAL SYLLABUS that wasn't OVERKILLED but that focused on the differential diagnoses that are common to ER practice and had you focus on "WHAT IS GOING TO KILL THIS PATIENT IF I DON"T THINK OF IT?" that is professionalism!
the family physician i was with last month
(no names until he gives the ok) was a wonderful example of a physician who spends time with the patient...HMO be damned...
my rural experience in Ft. Pierce was outstanding, all the doctors there give you latitude, answer your questions and try to help you think and grow...other places that are a bit north of there (under 50 miles) are JUST THE OPPOSITE according to three of my classmates. there you be scut monkey.
My rotation currently is giving me tons of latitude and i would recommend it to anyone who wants exposure to manipulation and also time to study your interests.
so while i believe in the paid model, I think with PROPER OVERSIGHT AND CONCERN FOR IMPROVING QUALITY EXPOSURES AND NOT PASSING THE RESPONSIBILITY TO THE HOSPITALS, an unpaid model CAN work...unfair as it it to the physician.
--I may piss off some folks with this one, but I think we need to do away with the vacation month and go to four week rotations, every two months you could have a five to seven day break and although you would lose 1-2 days out of each rotation, you actually would have 3 extra rotations in 25 4-week cycles than in the current 23 month cycle with one vacation month...you also could schedule interview blocks around these times much more easily. and with two week half rotations get your face in the door at a lot more places during early fourth year, which is NOT FOCUSED UPON ENOUGH because the profession is TRYING TO KEEP YOU AT THE RESIDENCY PROGRAMS AFFILIATED WITH THE SCHOOLS...what most people don't focus on is how the school and the profession is trying to PROMOTE ITS PROGRAMS instead of PROMOTING ITS PRODUCT..US!
--thanks again Kent, and keep the faith, I was very impressed with the way des moines ran its first two years, however...go ahead burst my bubble....videotaped lectures, indoor gym with weightroom...it would've been worth giving up the 2 grand deposit at NOVA LOL, I was Very VERY close to doing it, in fact, if it werent for the lovable four year old, I might have tried to transfer after first year. grass is always greener.
 
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