Now I’m concerned about my Step 3 CCS. Finished it, and....

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First year radiology resident here (PGY1, doing a prelim year in medicine).

I took my Step 3 last Tuesday and Wednesday, and walked out of the exam thinking I did ok. Then, out of curiosity, I read a little more about the CCS and found some disturbing information.

Admittedly, my preparation for it was quite casual. I did all of the UWorld cases once, and then read the “approach to the case”, where it tells you what management is optimal and what is detrimental. To be honest (and I’m quite ashamed to say this), I didn’t read the “time management” part where it tells you specifically what things to order and when. For some idiotic reason, I went into the exam convinced of two things: 1. that I could wing it, and 2. that it was simply testing your ability to diagnose a health problem and render the big treatment components.

So, on the actual CCS, for example, I had a heart failure exacerbation. I put the guy on oxygen, pulse ox, and cardiac monitor. Did a focused exam (should have ordered labs before the exam, but that’s another blunder on my part). Ordered stat EKG, stat labs, stat CXR, stat cardiac enzymes, stat echo, got the echo result, Lasix (can’t remember if I ordered continuous or bolus), etc. etc. Admitted the guy to the ICU, ordered a cardiology consult, and did a little more management here and there (i.e. in addition to the orders that carried over from the ED). Q4 vitals, daily labs, nitrates, hydralazine, and that’s about it. This particular case ended at around 14 minutes of real time. I don’t believe the guy died.

Last Friday, I stumbled across the recommended orders for a case like this, and I was flabbergasted!

There were orders for raising the HOB to 30-degrees, to order low salt diet, fluid restriction, subcutaneous heparin, SCDs, dietary counseling, measuring the UOP, daily weights, and..and..and, about two dozen other orders that you’d ordinarily put in when admitting someone to the ICU.

The point is that I was looking at this exam from the standpoint of having to address only the big picture. I did this with all my cases.

Of the 12 cases I had, I ran out of time on one of them only. Eleven of them finished early. One of them finished as late as 16 minutes. Three or four of them around 14 minutes. And the rest of them around 10 minutes. I had two of them finish under 4 minutes.

So what I’m wondering is this: how important are the little orders, i.e. the adjuct (but necessary) components of managing a condition? Obviously, if the cases ended early and the patient didn’t die, the National Board of Medical Examiners felt I knew what it took to pass that case....or did they? Somehow I can’t help but worry about not being hit hard for forgetting to order HOB to 30-degrees on that heart failure patient, despite the fact that the cases ended early and the guy (if I’m not mistaken) didn’t die.

Should I be planning on retaking this test? Or am I solid? To be frank, I’m not only ashamed about my initial nonchalance about the nitty gritty regarding this CCS portion, I’m quite worried now about how I did.
 
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First year radiology resident here (PGY1, doing a prelim year in medicine).

I took my Step 3 last Tuesday and Wednesday, and walked out of the exam thinking I did ok. Then, out of curiosity, I read a little more about the CCS and found some disturbing information.

So, on the actual CCS, for example, I had a heart failure exacerbation. I put the guy on oxygen, pulse ox, and cardiac monitor. Did a focused exam (should have ordered labs before the exam, but that’s another blunder on my part). Ordered stat EKG, stat labs, stat CXR, stat cardiac enzymes, stat echo, got the echo result, Lasix (can’t remember if I ordered continuous or bolus), etc. etc. Admitted the guy to the ICU, ordered a cardiology consult, and did a little more management here and there (i.e. in addition to the orders that carried over from the ED). Q4 vitals, daily labs, nitrates, hydralazine, and that’s about it. This particular case ended at around 14 minutes of real time. I don’t believe the guy died.

There were orders for raising the HOB to 30-degrees, to order low salt diet, fluid restriction, subcutaneous heparin, SCDs, dietary counseling, measuring the UOP, daily weights, and..and..and, about two dozen other orders that you’d ordinarily put in when admitting someone to the ICU.

Of the 12 cases I had, I ran out of time on one of them only. Eleven of them finished early. One of them finished as late as 16 minutes. Three or four of them around 14 minutes. And the rest of them around 10 minutes. I had two of them finish under 4 minutes.

So what I’m wondering is this: how important are the little orders, i.e. the adjuct (but necessary) components of managing a condition? Obviously, if the cases ended early and the patient didn’t die, the National Board of Medical Examiners felt I knew what it took to pass that case....or did they? Somehow I can’t help but worry about not being hit hard for forgetting to order HOB to 30-degrees on that heart failure patient, despite the fact that the cases ended early and the guy (if I’m not mistaken) didn’t die.

Should I be planning on retaking this test? Or am I solid? To be frank, I’m not only ashamed about my initial nonchalance about the nitty gritty regarding this CCS portion, I’m quite worried now about how I did.

I think you're fine. Screw the HOB stuff. The fluid/salt restricted diet is a major part of heart failure mgmt as is measuring daily weights and Ins/outs measuring. But it's not going to fail you. You'd probably get docked a few points for the above but very little else.
 
hey i took the exam this week, and i know how you feel. i went through the ccs cases on usmle world, took notes on all the cases and what orders to put in when and read through it all before the exam. but i realized when u are taking the real thing you feel this "exam" pressure and are madly typing in the orders against the clock, you forget a lot of things. also when the case abruptly warns you that it is about to end (the early ending warning that is supposed to be a good sign), you suddenly lose your train of thought. especially when you are supposed to put in "final" orders etc. a lot of the time i was not quite sure what to put in beyond counseling, especially when the patient was still apparently lying in bed waiting for his surgery. i mean, you can't d/c all the pre-op orders you put in and then advance his diet and stop his iv meds to switch to PO, etc etc like you normally would right? the whole system is screwy... one patient i forgot to order pre-op iv antibiotics and it haunts me, so i don't think you need to worry about not elevating the head of the bed on your patient.
 
totally feel your pain. I took the exam a week ago and can hardly sleep worrying about that stuff. the worst part is the score reporting delay! three months!
 
I think you pass by ordering the big picture items, like admitting a patient in acute on chronic CHF vs sending him home, ordering lasix, echo etc. Not ordering a diet or elevating the HOB will not cause you to fail.

What makes me curious is how much of the score the CCS counts towards? I had a tougher time with the multiple choice questions on day 2 vs day 1. They all seemed so vague.
 
yeah, i generally did not feel great about the exam and i am a medicine resident and did about 62% on UW world. however, i walked out of both days of the exam not the most confident
 
Same here... not the best feeling in the world
did all of the UW CCS, but still had trouble squeezing all the junk in when I got the 2 minute warning.
 

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