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[Premedtomed]

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Communists: Boon or bane for India?

Carte Blanche
Posted online: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 at 1512 hours IST
Updated: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 at 1520 hours IST

Doyens of Communism in India Harkishen Singh Surjeet and Jyoti Basu who have together been the face of their ideology in India are said to be on the verge of retiring, citing fading health.

😡 😡
That they represented everything that Communism ever stood for and that they played a major role at the Centre whenever elections failed to throw up a clear winner is a given.

However, what is their real claim to fame? Have they contributed in any way to enrich society economically, spiritually?

Going back in history, into the 1940s, when the country was fighting for its Independence, the Communists actually excused themselves from participating in it. Why? Because the Soviet Union, leaders of Communist movement worldwide, was fighting Nazi Germany in the Second World War as an ally of the British.

Comrades in India got the order from Comrade Joseph Stalin that Indian Communists must help Big Brother Soviets in their war effort by not joining the Independence struggle alongside Mahatma Gandhi.

It seems allegiance to ideology was stronger than the tug at the heartstrings of the Motherland. Indian Communists were therefore content to play mute spectators if not acting as hurdles, as the freedom movement played itself out till India was finally free in 1947.

Later on, when Communist China under Comrade Mao Ze Dong attacked India, after years of Hindi-Chini bhai-bhai propaganda, their ideological counterparts in India again sought to be ambivalent about the whole episode. While Indian soldiers fought and died in the biting cold on the treacherous border with China, Comrades in India indulged in so much rhetoric, if not actually defending China.

Now, with the world, including Russia and even a market-oriented China abandoning Communism and Communist ideology, those of their brethren in India are sticking to their Red badges.

Surjeet and Basu have been the two who have brought Communism alive especially in West Bengal, with the later having won six elections to be Chief Minister and the later playing king-maker in the nation many-a-time.

But has their proclivity to back dictatorial regimes lessened in any way? The duo were very much in the spotlight when Indira Gandhi proclaimed Emergency. On whose side, you ask were they? Mrs Gandhi’s of course.

At various times in the 1980s and 1990s and presently in an ostensible move to fight anti-secular forces like the Bharatiya Janata Party, the Communists backed one party after another. This is the only recognisable trait of theirs in present day India. Harkishen Singh Surjeet and Jyoti Basu on numerous occasions both the role of influence-peddlers using techniques that would turn the likes of Laloo Prasad Yadav, Mulayam Singh and even Charan Singh green with envy.

What of West Bengal? A state that once was a leader in India, quickly degenerated into becoming a basket case. From a vibrant economy with a thriving industrial infrastructure, it fell under the Communist spell and gradually the trade unions bled the state’s economy dry. Every businessman worth his salt voted with his feet to move to Delhi, Mumbai, Madras, while the Bengali electorate voted the Communists in to power time and again! (In local politics the Communists maintain their supremacy by the rule of the gun rather than anything else.)

In retrospect, in a modern world Comrades Surjeet and Basu, have done nothing but promote their own power under the guise of Communism. The rest of India in the meantime moved towards a more open and democratic society.

The duo have not promoted freedom of thought, word, deed in any way. They have promoted a personality cult on the lines of what Indira Gandhi did, Sheikh Abdullah did in J&K, Laloo Yadav is doing. But they did not hide their ambitions under the umbrella of an ideology, unlike the Communists.

Truth be said, whether it is Basu and Surjeet, Stalin or Mao, Karl Marx would have described them as despots, nothing else. Whether it was India, West Bengal, Soviet Union or China, people who were unfortunate enough to fall under their influence passed a gauntlet of pain.

 

[sunny123]

Sid, I take considerable offense to the title of this thread. What does "stupid Bengalis" have to do with any of this?

This article is talking about two followers of communist ideology:

Harkishen Singh Surjeet (a Punjabi)

Jyoti Basu (a Bengali)

Having a thread like "Now some stupid Bengalis (b*******)", is not only ignorant, but doesn't even have anything to do with the article itself. I don't understand why you could not use the ACTUAL title of the article as your thread "Communists: Boon or bane for India?" ? Just because the article uses Jyoti Basu as an example you immediately assume that, oh look here is another stupid Bengali. If you wanted to be accurate, then you should have also included Punjabis in there too.

 

[Premedtomed]

Yeah Stupid Communists I should say 👍

 

[Premedtomed]

Some one above remarked 'What Bengal thinks today India thinks tomorrow.' This was quoted about a 100 years ago... Hope the person realizes this and the rest of the country lives in a different era ... All except the commies. The stalin and Mao's chamchas with their socialistic attitude, they have destroyed this great nation... Indeed India is a tolerant country having allowed these pernicious elements within the society. America -- the so called torchbearer of freedom, may have allowed various people on its soil, but the FBI literally hunted the communists and wiped them out.. and good for them... I have a great respect for the past leaders from Bengal... Ramakrishna, Vivekananda, RamMohan roy .. What great souls they were... It is very sad to see that the state is under the clutches of the commy pigs ... In similar fate is Kerala... Im glad they didnt really spread to other parts as much... And im sure the new generation will certainly understand that communism is a hopeless theory propagated by one psycho called marx...

 

[Premedtomed]

I am sorry if it offended you.

 

[Pakorah]

Listen you stupid gujrati, learn how to write things properly. You don't need to be nasty in order to get people's attention. That is such a dumb excuse of a post.Where's Nimesh's dog that pisses all over posts? That dog should do the same to your posts.

 

[Premedtomed]

Title: Communism in Bengal
Author: M.V.Kamath
Publication: Mid-Day
Date: April 22, 1999

Communism is dead as mutton in Russia; it is almost dead in China. It
is detested everywhere. But it survives in a part of India called West
Bengal in a most ridiculous form.

The Jyoti Basu type of communism lies in terrorising the entire
populace, in ridiculing Hinduism and in running down one of the finest
of Indian institutions, the Sri Ramakrishna Mission. At one stage the
Mission even went to the extent of insisting that it is not Hindu -
but a different sect altogether. Those who know say that the Mission
authorities were driven to desperation by the CPM's terror tactics. On
March 17, 1999, The Telegraph carried an interesting report from its
own staff reporter on the CPM's shenanigans. The paper quoted Anil
Biswas, CPM's West Bengal secretary as saying that the party has been
colonising institutions of learning for a long time.

"The statement b Biswas, ,Y regarded as Bengal's education czar, comes
a week after the chief Minister's public admission that a Left Front
education cell controls education in the state" the report said.

In the CPM's own mouthpiece, Ganashakti, Biswas said: "There is
nothing new in reports that our organisational team oversees the
affairs of different universities in Bengal". And he added for good
measure: "As a matter of fact, communist party teams have been looking
after party interests in institutions of higher learning since 1953".
That would be 46 years ago.

In other words, all educational institutions in West Bengal are
tainted with communism and no one dares question the party. What the
party says is right.

Biswas made his observation in the wake of disclosures that the CPM,
not satisfied with mere control over appointment of key university
posts, has assigned party leaders to look after institutions of higher
learning.

What is significant is that there has not been a whisper about the
politicisation of education in West Bengal from any quarters, least of
all the Congress. Jyoti Basu and his CPM goons have had a free hand
all these years.

Writes The Telegraph: "Biswas's admission in the party organ is also a
telling testimony to the fact that the CPM, in a throw-back to
Stalinist days, sees nothing fundamentally wrong in the party
controlling areas of such public interest as education.

I have a question to ask of the Congress and its president Sonia
Gandhi. What does she think of all this? In the first place has she
even been aware of how the CPM controls education in West Bengal? If
the answer is yes, are we to presume that she approves of it? But if
it does not meet her approval what is she planning to do about it?


My suggestion is that rather than play up the Admiral Bhagwat episode,
she should be doing a true national service by looking into the status
of education in West Bengal to find out the extent to which it has
been corrupted there.

But that is not all. According to The Telegraph, setting aside the
larger issue of why the Left Front needs to have an education cell,
the CPM has shown "scant respect for the opinion of its allies". Only
recently Jyoti Basu appointed one Surabhi Bannerjee as pro-vice
chancellor of the venerable Calcutta University. He consulted none of
his left coalition partners. A CPI member of the education cell, Amiya
Basu is quoted as saying: "We are totally ignored and treated shabbily
as far as appointments to key posts are concerned."

The CPM is now working out its strategy to appoint five
vice-chancellors of its choice at Calcutta, North Bengal, Kalyani and
Vidyasagar Universities and BE College, a deemed university.

Importantly, according to The Telegraph, "In end-1997, the Registrar,
Finance Officer and the
Controller of Examination at Jadavpur University were appointed,
skirting the guidelines of the University Grants Commission (UGC).

While the registrar and the controller of examinations did not have
the requisite educational qualifications, the finance office did not
conform to the stipulated age. Now, either The Telegraph is reporting
correctly or it is not. If it is not, then no doubt Jyoti Basu or his
hoodlums will take care of the paper. In Calcutta it is easy to get
workers go on strike. That is why industry after industry has left the
state in search of areas of peace.

Arnab Roy, an RSP teacher- member of the Front's Education Cell is
quoted as saying: "In most cases, teachers are appointed to colleges
and universities on the basis of their political affiliation and not
merit ..... none of these appointments figure in the Front's
meetings." I don't know whether Sonia

Gandhi reads The Telegraph or whether anybody on her personal staff
has brought this report to her attention. I can't imagine her
attention being drawn to this column either. We are small people. I
read a lot of newspaper but seldom have I ever read a proper study
made of the Left Front government in West Bengal, how it operates, how
it terrorises people, how it distorts every aspect of life, beginning
with education.

I am grateful to The Telegraph for whatever little they have said
about appointment where I had read some critical comment on the Left
Front government.

It is against this background that, I have sympathy for Mamata
Bannerjee and her odd behaviour. She faces a real problem Fear.

There is one thing that Gandhiji taught us when we were young; not to
fear. But Gandhiji has been dead all these 50 plus years.

The CPM has no compunction in throwing mud at Hinduism and Hindutva.
No wonder. Calcutta is the only city in the world which has a street
named after Mao Tse-tung. And Mao was an enemy of India. He had no
respect for Mahatmaji and had still less respect for India.

But Jyoti Basu's CPM venerates Mao.

That should tell us everything.


http://www.hvk.org/articles/0599/17.html

 

[Premedtomed]

By Ajoy Bose in Calcutta

With their sixth successive electoral victory in the recent state assembly polls, the communists in West Bengal have created a unique political niche.


The Left in Bengal has shown an amazing ability . . . to change its colours whenever the situation demanded

Journalist Sunit Ghosh
The communist-led Left Front has notched up an unbeatable record in a country where governments are voted out regularly because of the anti-incumbency factor.

The West Bengal communists can also stake a claim to international fame in an era which has witnessed the collapse of communist regimes all over the world.

The traditional backing for the communists amongst the rural poor, because of sweeping land reform, and the working class, through the trade union movement, is understandable.

What is more surprising is the large number of urban middle class voters who continue to support the Left Front - despite the latter's ideological moorings.

Adaptability

In the West Bengal capital, Calcutta, most people feel that the communists have managed to garner support from all sections because of their ideological flexibility and political adaptability.

Communist rally
The party has consistently attracted wide support
"The Left in Bengal has shown an amazing ability like a chameleon to change its colours whenever the situation demanded," declares veteran Bengali journalist Sunit Ghosh.

"By appearing to be the benefactor of different and often rival social groups, the communists have consistently romped home in elections".

Unlike communist parties in other countries, the Left in West Bengal has also been careful not to tamper with native cultural norms.

The chief minister Buddhadev Bhattacharya is himself a playwright who often reiterates that he "graduated from literature to politics."

Communist party cadres engage enthusiastically in the Bengali passion for cultural activities including religious festivals particularly the annual Puja celebrations.

Courting business

The one social group which has so far remained disenchanted with Leftist rule in West Bengal has, however, been the big business class.

Trinamool Congress chief Mamata Bannerjee
Mamata Bannerjee: Anti-left firebrand
Calcutta has witnessed a steady flight of capital over the past several decades - mainly because of a barrage of strikes launched by the communist-controlled trade unions.

However, there are signs that even this section may be won over.

In fact, last weekend a delegation of top businessmen led by Sanjiv Goenka, who heads the biggest industrial house in West Bengal, trooped down to the Marxist headquarters in Calcutta to hold wide-ranging discussions with the chief minister.

Goenka was effusive after the meeting claiming that it had laid the foundations of a "major joint enterprise between industry and the Left Front to make West Bengal into an industrial power''.

There are, of course, many critics in West Bengal of the communists who feel they rigged the elections to beat the challenged of the combative Trinamool Congress firebrand Mamata Bannerjee.

However, even they concede that the rigging was extremely scientific and systematic without the usual recourse to violence on election day.




http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1345236.stm

 

[data]

I don't get it. Whats the point in all this. All this is like peanut punch. Its utter nonsense. Tell me what your stance is then we can discuss it in here.

 

[Premedtomed]

These people worship Mao!!

 

[Premedtomed]

I don't get it. Whats the point in all this. All this is like peanut punch. Its utter nonsense. Tell me what your stance is then we can discuss it in here.

It is alarming!!!

Bengal has such great culture - all of it is getting destroyed!!

Similar situation in Kerala but surprsingly it is in a better situation .

How can communism survive for so long when it has faded elsewhere!

What is wrong with these people??

 

[data]

Also, I said some stupid Bengalis - that is not a generalization.

How can such an ideology be in existence for so long without the support of the people of that region?

Agreed economic conditions have led to this but how could it exist for so long???

These people worship Mao!!

Yo man you shouldn't call them stupid seriously. You are pissing people off. We are all friends here we treat everyone equally. Don't post idiotic titles like that.

 

[Premedtomed]

Listen you stupid gujrati, learn how to write things properly. You don't need to be nasty in order to get people's attention. That is such a dumb excuse of a post.Where's Nimesh's dog that pisses all over posts? That dog should do the same to your posts.

Why don't you pay attention to the details

Agreed the title turned out to sound offensive.

But then have the humility to chill ( I wouldn't mind if someone said stupid Gujaratis , I would say so too after the riots it was terrible. )

 

[data]

Also, I said some stupid Bengalis - that is not a generalization.

How can such an ideology be in existence for so long without the support of the people of that region?

Agreed economic conditions have led to this but how could it exist for so long???

These people worship Mao!!

No one in west bengal worships Mao. Have you ever heard of the word Corruption? Why do you think someone is in power for so long. Use your head. Seriously man edit the title. I have many bengali friends if you want to use titles like that go to the doctors lounge. You could of used the title of the essay instead.

 

[data]

Why don't you pay attention to the details

Agreed the title turned out to sound offensive.

But then have the humility to chill ( I wouldn't mind if someone said stupid Gujaratis , I would say so too after the riots it was terrible. )

She is bengali don't you remember? of course she would be offended.

 

[Premedtomed]

Yo man you shouldn't call them stupid seriously. You are pissing people off. We are all friends here we treat everyone equally. Don't post idiotic titles like that.

Hey I said some dude . I am not saying everyone's like that .

About equality, what are you talking about? I am not saying the Bengalis I know are stupid now! WTF??

Regionalism - see working here. Instead of being one with the nation stray away and cause more problems

 

[Premedtomed]

Allright

Please close this thread.

 

[sunny123]

It is alarming!!!

Bengal has such great culture - all of it is getting destroyed!!

Similar situation in Kerala but surprsingly it is in a better situation .

How can communism survive for so long when it has faded elsewhere!

What is wrong with these people??

If you are not a Bengali living in West Bengal, then you have no right to make such psychotic remakrs such as "What is wrong with these people?" I think you've been listening to Ann Coulter too much Sid, learn to be more diplomatic in your stance rather than trying to lead us ignorant people into your light.

You are just reposting articles, and I don't understand why you can't just link to them and quote the parts that are supposedly trying to emphasize your point of view. Whatever.........

 

[data]

Hey I said some dude . I am not saying everyone's like that .

About equality, what are you talking about? I am not saying the Bengalis I know are stupid now! WTF??

Regionalism - see working here. Instead of being one with the nation stray away and cause more problems

Have you not word of Khalistan? A lot of states wants to leave like punjab tamil nadu...etc.

Don't close this you opened a can of worms now you got to eat it. 😡

 

[Premedtomed]

If you are not a Bengali living in West Bengal, then you have no right to make such psychotic remakrs such as "What is wrong with these people?" I think you've been listening to Ann Coulter too much Sid, learn to be more diplomatic in your stance rather than trying to lead us ignorant people into your light.

You are just reposting articles, and I don't understand why you can't just link to them and quote the parts that are supposedly trying to emphasize your point of view. Whatever.........

Dude, that was out of concern .
I just want you to know that this is a terrible situation

 

[data]

Dude, that was out of concern . I did not say that there is something wrong with these people.

I mean why isn't anyone doing anything about it??

About being diplomatic, I am trying to keep it all open and not try and emphasize my point of view only. I just want to look at the whole pic.
May be there are other factors, may be I am not completely justified in posting what I did.
I just want you to know that this is a terrible situation

Do you think all NRIs are ignorant?

 

[Premedtomed]

Have you not word of Khalistan? A lot of states wants to leave like punjab tamil nadu...etc.

Don't close this you opened a can of worms now you got to eat it.
😡

Ok ok that is true. That is another big really big issue.

Lot of injustice meted out to the Punjabis though, as regards with Bengal the partition did make matters worse and led to this.

Gujarat, although amking great progress, is a pressure cooker. A lot of gujus are superconservative and this leads to enimity. I would say those Gujus are stupid

 

[Premedtomed]

Do you think all NRIs are ignorant?

I don't know.

"Some are ignorant"

Again I never was generalizing , I said "some"

 

[Premedtomed]

Wow, you have to steer it in the wrong direction !


Just goes on to show, people are more concerned about their own regions and no desire to keep the nation "one"


Wherever you go, people hardly call themselves "Indian" but gujarati, hindu whatever.

 

[Premedtomed]

The Chief Minister of the Indian state of Gujarat, Narendra Modi, stands before a crowd of thousands of supporters, doing what he does best: breathing fire against Muslims. He tells the cheering crowds that the nearly 2,000 Muslims who were killed in state-sponsored progroms earlier this year deserved to die. They "lost" their chance, he says, when they did not condemn an attack by unknown terrorists on a train that killed 58 Hindu activists in February. The Hindu crowd cheers with enthusiasm, tossing marigold garlands onto the stage.

http://www.alternet.org/story/14722

 

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The Chief Minister of the Indian state of Gujarat, Narendra Modi, stands before a crowd of thousands of supporters, doing what he does best: breathing fire against Muslims. He tells the cheering crowds that the nearly 2,000 Muslims who were killed in state-sponsored progroms earlier this year deserved to die. They "lost" their chance, he says, when they did not condemn an attack by unknown terrorists on a train that killed 58 Hindu activists in February. The Hindu crowd cheers with enthusiasm, tossing marigold garlands onto the stage.

http://www.alternet.org/story/14722

wait are you guju? and you were calling all gujus stupid?

 

[sunny123]

Wow, you have to steer it in the wrong direction !


Just goes on to show, people are more concerned about their own regions and no desire to keep the nation "one"


Wherever you go, people hardly call themselves "Indian" but gujarati, hindu whatever.

Sid, you posted the original title as such, not I. You steeered this by putting up such a thread title. You could have avoided this, when I told you to change the thread title, but you laughed it off by saying you got a response out of me.

Another thing, you should not just consider yourself Indian, but South Asian. There in lies the ignorance where people only consider themselves "Indian". Have you forgotten that we were all one nation (pre-1947)?? I may have the luxury of growing up abroad, not having any animosity towards the other nations that have seperated, but I am not oblivious to the fact that when I just consider myself "Indian", I exclude several hundred million people.

 

[Premedtomed]

Sid, you posted the original title as such, not I. You steeered this by putting up such a thread title. You could have avoided this, when I told you to change the thread title, but you laughed it off by saying you got a response out of me.

Another thing, you should not just consider yourself Indian, but South Asian. There in lies the ignorance where people only consider themselves "Indian". Have you forgotten that we were all one nation (pre-1947)?? I may have the luxury of growing up abroad, not having any animosity towards the other nations that have seperated, but I am not oblivious to the fact that when I just consider myself "Indian", I exclude several hundred million people.

OK how should I change the title??

 

[Premedtomed]

Quite a few of those hundred million people would want to see a few of fellow countrymen dead !

 

[Premedtomed]

I request that the administrator change the title of this thread

to Stupid people .


I sincerely apologize to everyone for causing unnecessary hurt or anger.
The title wasn't meant to ridicule or insult people of any kind (even a non Bengali could have misconstrued the title)

I promise to be more objective next time.

 

[sunny123]

I request that the administrator change the title of this thread

to Stupid people .


I sincerely apologize to everyone for causing unnecessary hurt or anger.
The title wasn't meant to ridicule or insult people of any kind (even a non Bengali could have misconstrued the title)

I promise to be more objective next time.

Sid, you go to the very first post of this thread, and you can edit the title from there.

 

[data]

I request that the administrator change the title of this thread

to Stupid people .


I sincerely apologize to everyone for causing unnecessary hurt or anger.
The title wasn't meant to ridicule or insult people of any kind (even a non Bengali could have misconstrued the title)

I promise to be more objective next time.

why stupid people? just say communism in india still exists.

 

[DrGarfield]

You don't need to be nasty in order to get people's attention.

Look who's talking!

 

[Premedtomed]

Damn thing still didn't change.

 

[data]

Damn thing still didn't change.

whats done is done.

 

[DrGarfield]

not possible to change or edit the thread title.
u have to ask some moderators for that

 

[Premedtomed]

Personally I don't care

It was worth pissing off a few Bengalis


just joking just joking



Sorry I have become a firm supporter of Capitalism and seeing the situation in West Bengal makes me wonder when my dear nation will firmly get on the path of solid constructive progress.

 

[data]

Personally I don't care

It was worth pissing off a few Bengalis


just joking just joking



Sorry I have become a firm supporter of Capitalism and seeing the situation in West Bengal makes me wonder when my dear nation will firmly get on the path of solid constructive progress.

"There is always some truth behind every joke."

 

[fido!]

hey sara hua pakorah!tu chup beth!dont spoil the taste of our thread!let everybody enjoy!

Listen you stupid gujrati, learn how to write things properly. You don't need to be nasty in order to get people's attention. That is such a dumb excuse of a post.Where's Nimesh's dog that pisses all over posts? That dog should do the same to your posts.

 

[fido!]

yeah !tell me about it!

Look who's talking!