NYCOM vs Touro-NY

[ZeppelinMed]

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Which would you choose?

 

[clement]

Which would you choose?

Well, I hate to say it but if you're not from NY then your choice just might have to be Touro-NY
But I do believe NYCOM was SUPPOSE to start looking at out-of-staters in January. Obviously it is a nice school with a great reputation.

 

[GProteinStar]

Which would you choose?

Have you been accepted at NYCOM? I think you have to weigh your options based on what is the most important to you. Good luck! and let me know how your interview goes at Touro-NY! 😀

 

[docem]

NYCOM.

I have been accepted to NYCOM and I decided to not apply to Touro so I am biased.

1. It is a brand new school...even though it will be state of the art and it is a branch school there is something to be said about a school with a proven history - I had trouble finding/getting information about clinical rotations

2. NYCOM has great clinical rotations and a very good repuation among physicians in the NYC community...I work in a large academic hospital and have heard only good things. They have a good match list etc.

That being said, Touro has the potential to be a great school...good location etc. You need to make the decision that is best for you...sometimes taking a risk pans out in the end - I am not the best risk taker 😳

 

[docem]

double post

 

[DoctorMom78]

Neither. But, if I had to pick one I would definitely choose NYCOM. It is a good school, well established, and not right in the city.

 

[MCATTT]

If i get into both, I will go with NYCOM.
NYCOM is well-established school and has already put out a lot of great DOs.

Besides, what does Touro has that NYCOM doesn't?

 

[doctor dad 7777]

Neither. But, if I had to pick one I would definitely choose NYCOM. It is a good school, well established, and not right in the city.

And once again thanks to Wonder Woman, who has an answer to any question that might be asked in the entire forum. I, for one, am so glad that Dr. Mom has found her true calling" here on the net. Get a life -

 

[Taus]

And once again thanks to Wonder Woman, who has an answer to any question that might be asked in the entire forum. I, for one, am so glad that Dr. Mom has found her true calling" here on the net. Get a life -

I'm having a tough time thinking of a way to respond to you w/o violating the TOS.....

the fact that you followed her posts and took the time to insult her in multiple forums is impressive and shows initiative....good work

 

[supersash]

wow. sounds like doctor dad needs a better hobby than putting down people on the internet.

you know what they say, you don't put down others unless you yourself feel "less than".

PS- WE <3 DOCTORMOM! 😍 😍 😍 😍

And once again thanks to Wonder Woman, who has an answer to any question that might be asked in the entire forum. I, for one, am so glad that Dr. Mom has found her true calling" here on the net. Get a life -

 

[DoctorMom78]

wow. sounds like doctor dad needs a better hobby than putting down people on the internet.

you know what they say, you don't put down others unless you yourself feel "less than".

PS- WE <3 DOCTORMOM! 😍 😍 😍 😍

Thank you!😍
I actually feel sorry for him/her. They are obviously not a happy person.

 

[ZeppelinMed]

Thanks for the input I appreciate it- I'm accepted at NYCOM and going to Touro-NY interview. I'll let you guys know my opinion on the school after I see it in person

 

[DoctorMom78]

Thanks for the input I appreciate it- I'm accepted at NYCOM and going to Touro-NY interview. I'll let you guys know my opinion on the school after I see it in person

Good luck at your interview! We will all be interested to hear about the new school!

 

[supersash]

def let us know how touro is. i'm afraid to pay $200 for the secondary. arghh! but if you say wonderful things, it may change my mind! 😉

 

[Psycho Doctor]

wow. sounds like doctor dad needs a better hobby than putting down people on the internet.

you know what they say, you don't put down others unless you yourself feel "less than".

PS- WE <3 DOCTORMOM! 😍 😍 😍 😍

I actually had to laugh that someone went thru the trouble of creating an account today in the name of doctor dad just to put down doctor mom; wow and who needs to get a life? doctor mom has always been very helpful, and I'm really not sure how she can juggle so many things and always remain nice, calm and helpful!👍

 

[DoctorMom78]

I actually had to laugh that someone went thru the trouble of creating an account today in the name of doctor dad just to put down doctor mom; wow and who needs to get a life? doctor mom has always been very helpful, and I'm really not sure how she can juggle so many things and always remain nice, calm and helpful!👍

LOL! You don't have to live with me. I am not always so nice and calm when I am running around at home tyring to change two diapers at once, answer the phone, and get the kids dressed and out the door. Thanks!😍

 

[musiclink213]

I'm another one who would choose NYCOM. It's a school with a proven reputation, and you know where your rotations will be. Plus, it's got a great reputation, and if you want a competitive residency, your school's rep might play a part because the hospital might know that past grads from your school have done well. You won;t get that with a new school.

 

[clement]

I'm another one who would choose NYCOM. It's a school with a proven reputation, and you know where your rotations will be. Plus, it's got a great reputation, and if you want a competitive residency, your school's rep might play a part because the hospital might know that past grads from your school have done well. You won;t get that with a new school.

I'm not trying to be argumentative here, but just curious as to WHAT exactly people are potentially worried about with regard to rotations? As far as WHERE they will be, isn't the goal of the school to keep you in the city and serve underserved communities? I doubt they would send people to Montana (no offense), as NYC has more than plenty of potential sites (am I wrong?).
I would add to this that Touro is not a *new* institution in that they have 2 other DO schools and will probably get through the kinks of their newness rather quickly.
I'd also add that from what I understand (again, correct me if I'm wrong), DOs are more established, in general, on the east coast because of PCOM and other older schools, so you can't go wrong no matter where you graduate from. NYCOM's reputation can only help in this regard. Setting up rotations will probably be easier BECAUSE of NYCOM.

 

[jp104]

I thought I read somewhere that NYCOM and TUCOM-NY were sharing rotation sites? Or something to the effect that NYCOM was helping out TUCOM-NY with some rotation spots. I'll have to research more 🙂 If I find anything, I'll post it here!

 

[musiclink213]

I'm not trying to be argumentative here, but just curious as to WHAT exactly people are potentially worried about with regard to rotations? As far as WHERE they will be, isn't the goal of the school to keep you in the city and serve underserved communities? I doubt they would send people to Montana (no offense), as NYC has more than plenty of potential sites (am I wrong?).
I would add to this that Touro is not a *new* institution in that they have 2 other DO schools and will probably get through the kinks of their newness rather quickly.
I'd also add that from what I understand (again, correct me if I'm wrong), DOs are more established, in general, on the east coast because of PCOM and other older schools, so you can't go wrong no matter where you graduate from. NYCOM's reputation can only help in this regard. Setting up rotations will probably be easier BECAUSE of NYCOM.

I think the concern is where they will be. Sure they say they want to keep you in NYC, but NYC is a big place. Most people probably wouldn't want to be going all over NYC for rotations. And I think there isn't much information on how the rotations work for TUCOM-NY. So lets say you get an apartment in Harlem. Your rotation is in Queens. That's a long train ride back and forth every day. And then your next rotation could be somewhere else that's also a long train ride away. That's just not something that I personally want to deal with.

Also, if they share rotations with NYCOM, who gets first pick? Isnt there only so many spots available at a given rotation site? So do NYCOM students get first pick? TUCOM? Is it an even number of students from each place?

And even though TUCOM-NY is a branch campus, there will still inevitably be kinks to work out, since this school is gearing towards serving underserved NYC. This seems like it's something new for them, so how will they focus the education? IMO, the way one curriculum works somewhere else doesnt mean it will work everywhere.

I dont think anyone is saying you won't do well if you go to a new school. You will get a residency and can do very well for yourself. And if you want to stay in primary care, it probably won't matter so much if you went to a new school. But, if you are shooting for a more competitive residency, then I would pick the school that is proven to send students into competitve residencies. But that is just my own opinion, and it's fine to have a different one.

Also, I wouldn't want ot be a guinea pig. I would want the kinks with the curriculum and rotation setup and locations to be worked out before I get there. Some people don't mind being guinea pigs, you'll probably get more individual attention if you go to a new school since there wont' be as many students around. But it's just not for me. The OP was asking for opinions on which school to choose, so we told him, but in the end, it's a personal decision that no one else can make for you.

 

[HunterGatherer]

There was a link to a press release that stated this. I think it is up to Touro-NY to try to be more clear about how they plan to do rotations. I'm not up to speed on Touro-NY so perhaps they already did this.


http://www.regents.nysed.gov/2006Meetings/March2006/0306heppca1.htm


definitely apply to both. If I felt confident in the future of Touro-NY clerkships then it would be tempting to go there for med school. I would look to the other Touro schools to see how they handle 3rd year clerkships. Clerkships are important to me so it depends on what your priorities are. During interviews at either school be sure you clarify that these schools got you covered.

I thought I read somewhere that NYCOM and TUCOM-NY were sharing rotation sites? Or something to the effect that NYCOM was helping out TUCOM-NY with some rotation spots. I'll have to research more 🙂 If I find anything, I'll post it here!

 

[NRAI2001]

How far is NYCOM from downtown NYC? If I remember correctly it is a couple hours away?

 

[musiclink213]

How far is NYCOM from downtown NYC? If I remember correctly it is a couple hours away?

I'm pretty sure you can take the LIRR and be at Penn Station in about 40 minutes. From Penn you can catch a train downtown.

 

[clement]

How far is NYCOM from downtown NYC? If I remember correctly it is a couple hours away?

I THOUGHT someone said 30 mins on the train just in order to get to Brooklyn.

 

[Lals]

How far is NYCOM from downtown NYC? If I remember correctly it is a couple hours away?

40 minutes or so, but remember that you still have to get from the train station to the campus, which is probably only about another 10 minutes, but there's a world of difference between cabs in the city and cabs on L.I. As for the bus system, I've lived here my entire life and have no idea how it works. I don't imagine they run very often, so I would guess there's considerable waiting involved.

 

[DoctorMom78]

How far is NYCOM from downtown NYC? If I remember correctly it is a couple hours away?

What everyone said sounds correct. I took the train from Albany, so I went to NYCOM from Penn Station. I took the LIRR and I think it was about 40 minutes. But then, I had to call a cab from the station to get to NYCOM. They were actually there really quickly. The whole thing took about an hour or so.

 

[musiclink213]

40 minutes or so, but remember that you still have to get from the train station to the campus, which is probably only about another 10 minutes, but there's a world of difference between cabs in the city and cabs on L.I. As for the bus system, I've lived here my entire life and have no idea how it works. I don't imagine they run very often, so I would guess there's considerable waiting involved.

Well, you wouldn't have to call a cab or get a bus to get into the LIRR, You could always drive from campus to the train station and park there. Or, depending on where you live, youj might live right near a train station so you wouldn't have ot go very far. I went to undergrad nearby, and me and my friend used to take the LIRR to the city. She would drive to the stop, park, and then we would get the train, come back, and then drive back to campus ro wherever.

Also, I don't take the LIRR too much, but I think the train that stops in Penn doesn't also stop in Brooklyn, I think it's one or the other? I'm not too sure about this since I haven't taken the LIRR in a long time, and when I did, I just got on in Brooklyn so I never paid attention if it went on to Manhattan after the Brooklyn stop.

 

[PlasticMan]

How far is NYCOM from downtown NYC? If I remember correctly it is a couple hours away?

A couple hours? Without traffic, Manhattan is 30 min away. Train depends what station you take the LIRR from. Anywhere from 30min - 1 hour.

 

[lilzelda]

Umm if you plan on doing rotations in the city it does not mean you have to live in Long Island for the last two years, so how long it takes to get to Penn St really doesn't matter unless for some reason you actually want to stay in Long Island and commute.

If I had to choose between Touro-NY and NYCOM I would pick NYCOM b/c they've been around longer. Where are Touro's clerkships by the way??? I know most of the big MD schools already have a monoply over the NYC hospitals

 

[Psycho Doctor]

Well, you wouldn't have to call a cab or get a bus to get into the LIRR, You could always drive from campus to the train station and park there. Or, depending on where you live, youj might live right near a train station so you wouldn't have ot go very far. I went to undergrad nearby, and me and my friend used to take the LIRR to the city. She would drive to the stop, park, and then we would get the train, come back, and then drive back to campus ro wherever.

Also, I don't take the LIRR too much, but I think the train that stops in Penn doesn't also stop in Brooklyn, I think it's one or the other? I'm not too sure about this since I haven't taken the LIRR in a long time, and when I did, I just got on in Brooklyn so I never paid attention if it went on to Manhattan after the Brooklyn stop.

Yea a train either goes to penn St or brooklyn; you can change at jamaica if you are not on the train going wher eyou want to. Depending where you want to go in NYC determines how long the trip. A train from Greenvale (closest stop to NYCOM???) to Penn Station takes about 45 minutes.

 

[drhansolo]

A couple hours? Without traffic, Manhattan is 30 min away. Train depends what station you take the LIRR from. Anywhere from 30min - 1 hour.

its true. without traffic its literally like 30mins away driving the speed limit.

but during morning and afternoon rush hour.. forget it. you can look at at least an hour to two hours depending on the traffic on the LIE and construction/blocked roadways in manhattan. (not to mention jams on bridges/tunnels are the WORST)

 

[DoctorMom78]

its true. without traffic its literally like 30mins away driving the speed limit.

but during morning and afternoon rush hour.. forget it. you can look at at least an hour to two hours depending on the traffic on the LIE and construction/blocked roadways in manhattan. (not to mention jams on bridges/tunnels are the WORST)

Without traffic?!?! LOL! Does that ever happen?🙄

 

[Psycho Doctor]

Without traffic?!?! LOL! Does that ever happen?🙄

yes at 3 AM in the middle of the work week😀

 

[packitinstan]

How much of a difference do you guys think it will make without access to old notes/exams/etc.?

 

[packitinstan]

^bmp

 

[stockmanjr]

Without traffic?!?! LOL! Does that ever happen?🙄

Yes if your doing the reverse rush ie out in the morning and inbound in the evening it doesnt often happen. Of course if your driving at 3am in either direction it happens 😛
cheers
howie

 

[musiclink213]

Yes if your doing the reverse rush ie out in the morning and inbound in the evening it doesnt often happen. Of course if your driving at 3am in either direction it happens 😛
cheers
howie

Unless of course they are doing construction at 3 am, in which case there will be quite a bit of traffic.

 

[DoctorMom78]

LOL! I am glad I don't have to compete with that traffic at DCOM. I just have to worry about cows standing in the middle of the road.

 

[bkpa2med]

LOL! I am glad I don't have to compete with that traffic at DCOM. I just have to worry about cows standing in the middle of the road.

 

[PlasticMan]

Without traffic?!?! LOL! Does that ever happen?🙄

Believe it or not, LI is navigable IF you learn the short cuts. First month, it took me forever to get anywhere. Then I started developing different shortcuts; now it's not so bad. I've already given away a few of them for navigating around NYCOM in the NYCOM 2011 thread. For instance, on friday I left glen cove around 4:15pm (rush hour!) and make it to the upper west side and was parked in a free parking space by 5:50pm. And that includes the time I spent finding that spot being it as I refuse to pay for a parking garage. 😀

If you go to NYCOM, learn to use the Queensboro bridge for going into manhattan; it's free and seems to be traffic free most of the time. It's a little bit trickier to navigate to than the other crossings, but worth saving $9 for a round trip IMO.

 

[neu yorker]

I am accepted at both NYCOM and TOUROCOM-NY and have about two weeks to pick one of them, but I am not sure what to do - here are the differences that I can figure out that are affecting my decision, in no particular order:

1) money - NYCOM is significantly more expensive - next year it will be $6500 more and then prob increasing every year, while TOURO is not increasing tuition each year

2) travel - i live in queens and have a car, so travel to NYCOM is much easier

3) new school vs. established - NYCOM is obviously the established school with a very impressive residency match list and more hospitals for clinical rounds. TOURO may be new, BUT it is in Manhattan (a plus to me) and it is basing itself off two other TOURO schools, one of which is pretty established on the west coast. TOURO stole its dean from NYCOM, so he has his connections in the area also. I know for a fact that TOURO is hooked up with Columbia Presbyterian for clinicals already and that they are working other hospitals in addition to the 11 or 13 that they already have lined up. Again, that being said, NYCOM is so much more settled in NY.

4) personal reasons - im jewish and TOURO gives off for jewish holidays in addition to the national holidays - which is a huge deal. Also, I know a few people going to NYCOM next year, while as of yet, I dont know anyone who is going to TOURO.

All that being said, I would appreciate anyone who is willing to weigh in on the issues I mentioned above or add other things I should be thinking about to help make this insanely big decision. What to do? What to do?

 

[Lamborghini1315]

And once again thanks to Wonder Woman, who has an answer to any question that might be asked in the entire forum. I, for one, am so glad that Dr. Mom has found her true calling" here on the net. Get a life -

What's wrong with you dude? Perhaps its you who should get a life, enough said.

 

[clement]

I am accepted at both NYCOM and TOUROCOM-NY and have about two weeks to pick one of them, but I am not sure what to do - here are the differences that I can figure out that are affecting my decision, in no particular order:

1) money - NYCOM is significantly more expensive - next year it will be $6500 more and then prob increasing every year, while TOURO is not increasing tuition each year

2) travel - i live in queens and have a car, so travel to NYCOM is much easier

3) new school vs. established - NYCOM is obviously the established school with a very impressive residency match list and more hospitals for clinical rounds. TOURO may be new, BUT it is in Manhattan (a plus to me) and it is basing itself off two other TOURO schools, one of which is pretty established on the west coast. TOURO stole its dean from NYCOM, so he has his connections in the area also. I know for a fact that TOURO is hooked up with Columbia Presbyterian for clinicals already and that they are working other hospitals in addition to the 11 or 13 that they already have lined up. Again, that being said, NYCOM is so much more settled in NY.

4) personal reasons - im jewish and TOURO gives off for jewish holidays in addition to the national holidays - which is a huge deal. Also, I know a few people going to NYCOM next year, while as of yet, I dont know anyone who is going to TOURO.

All that being said, I would appreciate anyone who is willing to weigh in on the issues I mentioned above or add other things I should be thinking about to help make this insanely big decision. What to do? What to do?

I might be way off my rocker (and I'm not even old...er...yet), but I'm going to suggest something,
If it doesn't make you feel uncomfortable to do so, go in to Touro's admin office and see if you can get an appt to talk to Dr. Diamond...Tell Obed your situation (again try to go in person since you have the advantage of already being there). Diamond is a factor for both schools and he can probably offer good insight...Or even Dr. Sexter. They're all really casual and approachable, and have expressed an interest in cooperation between NYCOM and Touro, so it's not like walking on eggshell territory or anything.
PS: I have a bias since I'm opting to attend Touro-NY, but when people talk about the school's lack of a reputation, I tell them, "Dr. Diamond is the school's reputation" -
as far as I'm concerned (but again, that's just MY 2 cents).

 

[supersash]

neu yorker-

you made a good list of pros and cons, but we don't know how important all of those things are to you. i think you need to personally rank those things, and see where you will be happiest. four years isn't that long, but since you hold multiple acceptances, you want to choose the one where you'll feel the most comfortable.

i don't think money should be a big factor, but location and personal issues (like religion and family) are very important!

good luck with your decision, follow your heart

 

[VinMD]

Neu,
I was originally in the same boat you were in a few weeks ago.. I chose NYCOM. Like previously implied, you have to choose the school that your going to be happiest attending for 4 years. For me, I am very interested in one day becoming a PCP. Touro's emphasis on serving the underrepresented was also very appealing to me, so it was a very hard decision. In the long run, I chose NYCOM because of its well-known educational reputation- although I'm sure that Touro-NY will offer an education that will be prove to be just as great. My primary concern is concerning residency placement. Although I am thinking primary care now, I know that if I do decide to specialize, NYCOM's reputation will not steer me in the wrong direction.

 

[HunterGatherer]

why do you have to start off every discussion about NYCOM that you would not want to go there? It's starting to hurt my feelings. 😀

Neither. But, if I had to pick one I would definitely choose NYCOM. It is a good school, well established, and not right in the city.

 

[Dr.Inviz]

What's wrong with you dude? Perhaps its you who should get a life, enough said.

This is a revived thread and that was an old post, just let it go, he's been banned for trolling.

 

[Dr.Inviz]

What's wrong with you dude? Perhaps its you who should get a life, enough said.

This is a revived thread and that was an old post, just let it go, he's been banned for trolling.

 

[HunterGatherer]

I am accepted at both NYCOM and TOUROCOM-NY and have about two weeks to pick one of them, but I am not sure what to do - here are the differences that I can figure out that are affecting my decision, in no particular order:

1) money - NYCOM is significantly more expensive - next year it will be $6500 more and then prob increasing every year, while TOURO is not increasing tuition each year

2) travel - i live in queens and have a car, so travel to NYCOM is much easier

3) new school vs. established - NYCOM is obviously the established school with a very impressive residency match list and more hospitals for clinical rounds. TOURO may be new, BUT it is in Manhattan (a plus to me) and it is basing itself off two other TOURO schools, one of which is pretty established on the west coast. TOURO stole its dean from NYCOM, so he has his connections in the area also. I know for a fact that TOURO is hooked up with Columbia Presbyterian for clinicals already and that they are working other hospitals in addition to the 11 or 13 that they already have lined up. Again, that being said, NYCOM is so much more settled in NY.

4) personal reasons - im jewish and TOURO gives off for jewish holidays in addition to the national holidays - which is a huge deal. Also, I know a few people going to NYCOM next year, while as of yet, I dont know anyone who is going to TOURO.

All that being said, I would appreciate anyone who is willing to weigh in on the issues I mentioned above or add other things I should be thinking about to help make this insanely big decision. What to do? What to do?

1) money- are you 100% sure that Touro is not increasing tuition yearly? Talk to the admin about that and don't rely on websites/printed material for this. As far as I know tuition seems to increase 3%-5% yearly at many private schools. Seems odd for the school not to increase tuition since the school is in NYC and it is new.

living in the city (Touro-NY) would be nice though. you would NOT need a car and living expenses might be comparable to LI.

2)travel - ok you have a car already. lol! I can't comment on this since some people HATE the subway. I don't mind public transportation.

3)The Dean you are speaking of was in charge of clinical rotations. This is very important. I'm sure he will do a great job of running the school.

4)Just about every school in NYC has a large jewish population because it is NYC. NYCOM is no exception. There is a club for those interested in the jewish community. They do many events religious and non-religious. the school seems pretty accomodating to the jewish calendar. sometimes there is a conflict and students are willing to switch so fellow classmates may observe their religious holidays. we had an exam on friday in nov/december and I think the administration made accomodations so the jewish students took their practical before everyone else so they could get home in time for sabath. I think the sun was setting at 430pm. I'm not jewish so maybe this is not the best perspective.

NYCOM is a very diverse school and really relfects the population of the city quite well. I do think that is something important.

I honestly feel you will do well at either school. I just wanted to add some things to hopefully help your decision making. It appears you have a tough decision to make.

 

[HunterGatherer]

This is a revived thread ...

I did not realize that.