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Hey guys,
I'm posting this in the pre-allo since I want a new perspective. What do you guys think or know about NYCOM?

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NYCOM has some of the worst student satisfaction ratings and placement records in the osteopathic community. They also have dismal research opportunities and a tiny faculty/student ration. Also, upon accepting a student, they demand an immediate, nonrefundable $500 deposit, shortly followed by an addition $1K, also nonrefundable. They know if you get in anywhere else, you won't go to NYCOM....

Other than that it's a great school! 😉

Seriously, though, although I'm not a DO applicant, I have friends who are, and they acknowledge that if you have the choice of NYCOM vs anywhere else, go elsewhere.
 
I've posted this in the Osteo forum but I'll do it again here.

1. Poor education, the professors aren't the brightest, and students pass with minumal effort and many chances to take retakes. Would you want these people as your doctor?
2. Terrible rotations, you get sent to rotations here and there and all over the place. Getting to these places is going to be terrible when living in NY. And nun of them at large major hospitals.
3. Diverse student body, but no class cohesion. Many small cliques at the school. You have jewish kids only interacting with jewish kids, the muslims only with muslims, the russians only with russians, the b.s./d.o. only with bs/do, the old ass forgien MD's with the FMG's.
4. NY is cold as hell right now, it's in the 10-20 degrees F. Ca is in the 70-80 degrees, and CA people are a lot nicer then rude New Yorker with no manners.
5. The Med. School is too large, easy to get lost in large class size of 300 students. The place is just a Diploma mill, if you fail out they don't really care they already got your money. I've heard they don't have enough rotations for all 300 students, so they expect 50 or so not to make it into the 3&4 years.
 
I know that it is the backup schools for every pre-med students since it's reputation is not that great. I didn't even bother applying because I would not want to go there even if that's the only school that accepts me. However, a friend of mine applied and got rejected but accepted by Mount Sinai........go figure.
 
ouch! sounds like the finch of DO schools.... it can't be that bad can it???
 
As a first year student at NYCOM, I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree with the previous posters...
Whether or not you want to be a DO is one thing, but as far as Med schools go, it's really a good one. I have never felt like i didn't have adequate resources or access to faculty etc. we have great interactive resources, (class lectures online, powerpoints, etc) as well as having the professors classnotes typed up and handed to us before class (complete with charts etc). And we rotate at many of the same hospitals as downstate, in addition to the North Shore hospital system, which is one of the better hospital networks in this area. Give NYCOM a break!!😀

oh, and about the retention rate, its actually very high...usually about 10 students are lost btw 1st and 2nd year. this is what, about 3 percent? Comprable to most institutions, I think.
 
I gotta tell you, from what I've heard poking around on my own NYCOM has a great rep here in the city. Rotating in some top hospitals, like northshore, LIJ and a bunch others. I've also seen the match lists, and it seems like about 50% match into specialties, a bunch of rads, anes, ortho.

I'm a bit shocked to hear some negative comments, about what I thought was a really great program...
 
Okay gotto the AMSA website www.amsa.org/resource/cardev/medresults.cfm to see what their own students think of their school. On a scale from 1 to 5, five being best. NYCOM got a 2.5 in overall satisfaction and a 2.3 in learning enviroment. IMO 50% is a failing grade.
 
Not to be difficult, but only 4 people took part in that survey.

I've heard that the NYCOM of today is very different than the past especially with the new dean and all, so maybe things have changed since your experiences.
 
Hey floss,
I am really confused . why did you ever start this thread? I mean if your purpose is to learn about the school then you could do a search on the topic or put question on osteopathy forum and you will get enough info from people who actually went to school here or have personal experience and know what it is like .What did you think you were going to learn from people who know nothing about the school and just to prove their ignorence they are refering you to the result of survey of 4 people.
I mean seriously . from your second post on the same thread it it seems like you are answering your own question and you know more about the school then anybodyelse who have answered to your post. so whats the point??
 
Originally posted by Optimistic
Hey floss,
I am really confused . why did you ever start this thread? I mean if your purpose is to learn about the school then you could do a search on the topic or put question on osteopathy forum and you will get enough info from people who actually went to school here or have personal experience and know what it is like .What did you think you were going to learn from people who know nothing about the school and just to prove their ignorence they are refering you to the result of survey of 4 people.
I mean seriously . from your second post on the same thread it it seems like you are answering your own question and you know more about the school then anybodyelse who have answered to your post. so whats the point??

It looks like those 4 aren't that happy to me.
 
When my roommate interviewed there, his interviewer said, "To tell you teh truth, I'm really not embarassed to say I teach at NYCOM." Hmmm.... great! 🙂
 
Hey,
This is not the same student that responded to you earlier, but I'm also a current first year at NYCOM. I have a three-fold response to your comments:
1. Some people who fill out surveys are usually disgruntled with a system in which they feel powerless. Some comments on the AMSA website included an apathetic administration and even vindictive faculty. I have heard very similar situations at other medical schools. I happen to disagree with this comment simply because *most* of the time administration is willing to sit down and listen to students. At every school (even colleges) for every nasty or dumb faculty member, there 10 amazing and brilliant ones! If you had noticed, there were positive comments about change coming about. It is crucial to remember for all students that if there is something you don't like, you need to take the initiative to fix it yourself.
2. This is sad to say, but many many many first years are unhappy and don't know why. The stress of medical school is undescribable at times. I for one have been frustrated, especially before exams, and would turn anywhere to vent. Students feel like, "anywhere but here" would be better. Yet it is also important to remember that we all should be grateful for having an opportunity to learn and eventually practice medicine. As for cliques...again, you will find them in any diverse institution. It's upto an individual whether they want to be part of one...I talk to Asian, Jewish, Muslim, White, SouthAsian, Russian students....because I CAN!! Goto the midwest and try to learn about cultural competency from schools that only have a small number of ethnic students. In NY, there is so much to learn at each type of hospital...the amazing resources were the #1 reason why I chose this school.
3. There were equal numbers of good comments and bad comments on this survey done by FOUR students out of about 800. If you average it out, some people love it, some people hate it. I suggest you walk onto NYCOM's campus, or any other medical school, and talk to people, faculty, see the facilities. What may be horrible for one person might be wonderful for another!! Please don't form opinions based on someone else's *alone*, take a look yourself.

P.S. NYCOM is rated #2 out of all DO schools (PCOM is #1 and we seem to trade positions every few years). Our retention rate is high and I think it's because students are happy where they are. And if you want to make a cohesive argument, Deuce, don't stereotype all NY-er's, it's offensive.

I love my school and my education,
Mundeep Kainth
AMSA Osteopathic Medical Interest Group
Interim Coordinator
 
Deuce:
I'm not sure why you are hell bent on being anti-NYCOM. Many students are very happy there, and they produce some fine physicians. If you were a student there, then I guess you have a right to badmouth the school, but the fact of the matter is, you are NOT. With all respect, you are not even a first year student anywhere, so you have little basis for comparison. Anyways...the original poster can PM me if you want, I'll do my best to give you all the pros and cons.

Renal
 
Originally posted by Deuce 007 MD
and CA people are a lot nicer then rude New Yorker with no manners.

Bite my a$$, Cali boy! 😡



j/k 😛
 
Originally posted by JJNY
Bite my a$$, Cali boy! 😡



j/k 😛

I know your J/k, but thats the kind of thing a New Yorker would blurt out. When I went to new york for my interview I steped off the plain into the cab, and the cab driver kept sayin things like "gett da phuck outta here, what a ya phuckin stoopid o sumthin, and foogettaaboudit." So I came back at him with the Calif. " dude, bro, chill, surfs up, you don't want no kanhflicts."
 
http://iris.nyit.edu/nycom/future/fut_hosp.htm

Here is a new perspective.
Nycom has lots of hospital affliations, and good ones at that. Check the link. Yes the class is large, and as with any large school, student to faculty ratio is not desirable. The environment fosters independent learning. You cannot always run to a professor for help. If you really need it, it is there. But this independent learning is actually a very good life skill to develop early on. After you finish medical school, you have to be somewhat of an independent learner for the rest of your life. Taking initiative and seeking out information on your own.
By virtue of its size and large number of hospital affliations, there is definately flexability in the 3rd and 4th year. This is of great value.
Something else you have to realize, because the class is so large, there are going to be more unhappy people, just like there will be more happy people as well. The happy people don't complain so you don't hear from them. If a med school has a class of 75, and there are 10 unahppy people, you only hear 10 complaints. That doesn't sound bad right? But there are only 75 people. Think about ratio/proportions, and put things into perspective.
 
one more thing,

Only 4 students filled out that NYCOM satisfaction survey. How can one really judge a school by 4, out of a student body of over 300?
If you look closely, you will see poor satisfaction surveys for well respected med schools like Dartmouth and Jefferson as well.
 
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