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reputation of nymc? Is it an MD school still or is it now a DO school? Also how is their psychiatry program? It seems mostly on the lower tier of psyc programs, filled with FMG's and very easy to get into.

Some who have graduated also said rumor is that it is slowly becoming a malignant program. Anyone have any ideas about NYMC?
 
i am fairly certain it was on my short list of programs to avoid? I think there may be more than one NYMC residency program, one of them is on probation. regardless there are plenty of other programs in new york - avoid!
 
I can't tell you much about the program itself but I did do some grad school at NYMC. There's pretty much nothing to do in the area. It's weird. NYC has EVERYTHING, but just outside of NYC where this program is, it's the boondocks, but to go into NYC to get everything is kinda of a pain in the butt. Yeah there's grocery stores, this that, but you can find that anywhere in the country. I'm talking culture.

Oh well, maybe I was missing out on it and it might've been in front of my face.
 
its got a very bad reputation in new york. technically nymc has been bought out by a do school, but it still gives out md degrees. but there is fear that the school may change to a do school. as for residencies at nymc, in general they are very weak programs, lack of research, heavy carribean students filled (even most true IMG's avoid NYMC), and its in the middle of nowhere. For fellowships and to break into a competitive job market, NYMC is not the place to go.

One of my friends got into med school at nymc, and decided not to go, and rather reapply again for med schools. both nymc westchester and richmond avoid.
 
okay guess the upperclassmen was right. avoid avoid avoid. its better to scramble than to go to nymc psych residency. any place other than nymc
 
Well another thing. The food blew. Yes I know it's food, but when you're on call 2AM in the morning still running on what you ate from dinner, the food does all of a sudden matter. Caesar was right. If you want your troops fighting well, they need to be well-fed. Now that was years ago, things might've changed.

Where I did residency, the food was free, it was damn good, (Starbucks for free!) and the hospital was connected by parking garage to Caesar's Palace in Atlantic City. So if I didn't want to eat the free good food, I still had plenty of choices.
 
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upperclasmen have told me that the residents are overworked, there is a high attrition rate because they tend to take applicants who generally have no chance at any other program leading to the reputation of it being malignant, and the fellowship placement they post is quite deceptive as those residents didnt get that fellowship directly out of residency or they were absolutely steller and aced the psych licensing exams as well as got excellent lors. but even then many stellar residents did simply not get fellowships. a family friend who is a pd of a geriartic psych fellowship at a prestigious place, himself told me that nymc residents are heavily scrutinized before being selected. basically the upperclassmen said that rank any other program above nymc, even if it means going to the worst undesirable location. generally though people who go to nymc both at westchester and richmond didnt have many interview offers to begin with.

also many fail the licensing exams simply because the teaching isnt there, and the rotations which are done at the various hospitals in nyc and westchester, nymc residents are given a backseat as compared to other residents from other training institutions.nymc rotating at lennox hill and metopolitan will still be backseat to nyu students. in addition, maimonides residents will now also work at lennox hill and metropolitican causing even more congestion

this is the information i have collected, and now am thinking not to even bother applying to this program
 
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I have heard that they nearly offer an interview invite to 70% of applicants, but only 10% of those actually end up going to the interview. It is carrib students filled program with no particular interest in psychiatry, but just want to match into something somewhere. this program seems easier than most family med places to get into
 
Why do people go to places like these? If this were my only option I would seriously question my competence and aptitude to be a doctor. Time to change careers!
 
I would go to this program in a heartbeat!!!! Psychiatry + proximity to nyc = practical perfection.
 
billypilgrim37 said:
Right. and

Near the beach + Hot Cuban Women = Guantanamo.
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Good point, but it seems that NYMC is considered only moderately malignant, so it couldn't be that bad. Sounds like you'd just have to do more independent learning.

BTW, NYMC is technically a "university" program, isn't it?
 
Interesting because NYMC really isn't a university but the program is associated with an educational institution so hard for me to say.

I hate further bashing the place because I really know nothing of the actual quality of the program itself. While I was at NYMC, most of the faculty there even mentioned they didn't think much of the place. I recall a fellow grad student got into medical school, and a professor I worked mentioned something to the effect of "that place she got into is even worse than here."

I really don't know anything of the program itself other than that I would not go there for the location. If you want to be in NYC, I'd actually go into NYC. The cost of living right outside of it is not cheap and like I said, ironically it's like being in the boondocks. For example, one of the towns in the area is Ossining, home of Sing-Sing Prison, and it's like a town outside of the Road-Warrior except no one has Australian accents, mohawks, or are trying to kill you for gasoline, but in terms of culture, it's not too far removed.

If anyone here is from the program, feel free to post comments for it or against it.

Another thing to point out that I've noticed from several of the NYC programs or programs close to it. If the program itself is malignant and works the residents to the bone it doesn't matter where it is because any free time you got will be needed catching up on sleep. I recall while in medschool, doing a rotation in Newark NJ (right outside of NYC) and the residency program kept yapping about how it was right outside of NYC. Yeah well all the residents kept mentioning they spent a total of one day in NYC (even the senior residents) and it was the day before the program started. Once that happened, no one set foot in there because they were all sleep-deprived. Being in North Jersey IMHO is not worth the benefit of being close to NYC because North Jersey is a dump (with few exceptions like Hoboken). Before anyone flame wars me back, I'm from NJ. If you think finding burned teaspoons next to your car almost daily (cause some opioid addict was liquefying his Heroin), parking your car in a lot where one car is stolen every few days, hearing people pronounce water as "wada" and NJ as "Joisey", "and seeing slums galore isn't a dump to you, I apologize, but it's a dump to most people.

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The hospital I worked at was so unsafe that a van or security guard had to escort the residents and medstudents from the parking lot to the hospital that was literally only across the street. Yes, a distance of walking one sidewalk to over the street to the sidewalk was actually dangerous and residents used to get mugged almost daily.

But I digress because I'm talking now about Newark, not NYMC.

Now on the other hand if the residency allows you to have a life that's different. Being young and single in NYC can be a cool thing. Being a single doctor in a cosmopolitan atmosphere where there's plenty of activity going on, not to mention the single students wanting a rich a spouse, well you'll be very busy in a good way with your social life if you know where to look.
 
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while westchester does not have a high crime rate, it does have a high std rate, and surprisingly divorce rates are high there.

the diversity is very nice though at westchester. there are a lot of eastern europeans, hispanics, and african americans so there is a nice cultural taste to the city.

the program both in westchester and richmond are either on probation or nearly on probation every year and its a constant struggle. it also is a highly malignant program, where residents are always competing with each other.

every year all the students and residents are worried that nymc may become a do school, and the degrees that will be handed out will be of do's. in the future this is very possible, since its recent merger with Touro.

Residents rotate at Lennox Hill Hospital, Metropolitan, and Westchester medical center. Again from what I hear, residents from nymc and maimonides when rotating at Lennox Hill are not given much respect and a lot of skepticism and negative vibes mainly for being carribean students. Despite the high quality of work these residents may do, as compared to their nyu resident counterparts, the nyu resident will always be given respect and attention and consideration and the nymc and maimonides residents are left in the back seat. it comes down to a nymc vs. maimonides resident to duke it out for the ultimate scutwork. Westchester medical center is the best place for nymc residents to rotate at because that is their home base. But the faculty are inexperienced, its not in the nicest part of town, and get rowdy patients and just a malignant environment.

The fellowship match list is impressive, but I view it with skepticism. NYMC is in the bottom 15 psych programs in the country (directly told to me by a resident), and the remaining programs throughout the country will be given priority. I heard many residents try to transfer to a different program at the end of their first year, but till now, not one has been successful for a transfer for a while other than one 9 years ago, when the resident transferred to njms for psych residency.

basically, if you are looking for a job look at this program. Otherwise avoid like the plague.
 
Fellowship match lists from what I've seen tend to be impressive with almost any psychiatry residency because for whatever reason psych residents as a whole tend not to go into fellowship. I've seen some of the worst residents from not so impressive programs get into name-brand fellowships.
 
whopper said:
Fellowship match lists from what I've seen tend to be impressive with almost any psychiatry residency because for whatever reason psych residents as a whole tend not to go into fellowship. I've seen some of the worst residents from not so impressive programs get into name-brand fellowships.
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I have heard that before. Getting into a good psych residency is far harder than getting into a good psych fellowship. I'm guessing psychiatrists are judged by which medical school and psych residency they go to, far more than which fellowship they went to and where when looking for jobs. I think most people know of the inferior training at NYMC, and that may turn off some potential employers. It's best not to apply to such a program, when viewing it this way and any other program (even one in North Dakota) seems to be a better option. One personal case I know of is that a student from NY and wants to work and live in NY, chose Wright State in Ohio for psych over NYMC. It told me that ANY program is better than NYMC when it comes for psych
 
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blazers said:
I'm guessing psychiatrists are judged by which medical school and psych residency they go to, far more than which fellowship they went to and where when looking for jobs.
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Probably true, unless you're doing child or possibly forensics. For the vast majority of psych fellowships, they are icing-on-the-cake to give you extra experience and a leg up applying for jobs, particularly in academics, for subsets of what is a field of psychiatry. You can work in most of those fields without the fellowship, which is likely why they're less competitive and less weight hangs on the where-you-went than someone doing cards or GI or such.
 
blazers said:
I think most people know of the inferior training at NYMC, and that may turn off some potential employers. It's best not to apply to such a program, when viewing it this way and any other program (even one in North Dakota) seems to be a better option.
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What's bad about North Dakota?
 
billypilgrim37 said:
The mosquitoes. I've never seen such big mosquitoes in my life. They could carry away a small dog.
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I would far rather deal with that than go to the uncertain malignant nymc. 😀
 
blazers said:
I have heard that before. Getting into a good psych residency is far harder than getting into a good psych fellowship. I'm guessing psychiatrists are judged by which medical school and psych residency they go to, far more than which fellowship they went to and where when looking for jobs. I think most people know of the inferior training at NYMC, and that may turn off some potential employers. It's best not to apply to such a program, when viewing it this way and any other program (even one in North Dakota) seems to be a better option. One personal case I know of is that a student from NY and wants to work and live in NY, chose Wright State in Ohio for psych over NYMC. It told me that ANY program is better than NYMC when it comes for psych
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A good fellowship program can be helpful when one goes looking for a job. In many areas around the country, you can be hired as long as you have a valid medical license for that state. where you did your training (medical school/internship/residency/fellowship) matters very little.
 
blazers said:
I would far rather deal with that than go to the uncertain malignant nymc. 😀
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sounds like someone has an axe to grind with NYMC. I met residents who trained at nymc. They were good and liked their experiences.
 
blazers said:
I would far rather deal with that than go to the uncertain malignant nymc. 😀
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That's funny because at my NYC med school, students would apply to some of the lowliest outer borough residencies as backup, but utterly scoff at the prospect of going to very good and well known programs in the Midwest.
 
billypilgrim37 said:
Oh, yes. The NJCL national convention was in Fargo back in the summer of 1997. Think how big those mosquitoes could have grown in 15 years!
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The winters kill them off. You just have to deal with their great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandchildren. And Norwegians.
 
sounds like someone has an axe to grind with NYMC. I met residents who trained at nymc. They were good and liked their experiences.
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I don't really know much about the program other than what I mentioned above, and those weren't comments specifically about the program but things about the surrounding area. I hope anyone who knows this program can post about it.
 
OldPsychDoc said:
The winters kill them off. You just have to deal with their great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandchildren. And Norwegians.
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Which is worse, do you think?
 
cleareyedguy said:
Sheesh. That's a lot of complaints for one small program.

What, I wonder, do people do to fill up their time?
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people dont want to go to this program. Their new advocacy about rotating at Lennox Hill Hospital is a hospital filled with IMGs such as the actual program.

Every year the rumor is that this program sweats about getting on probation. Watch out if you applying to fellowships
 
one of their residents one time was rumored to have failed step 1 6 times & a resident who has recently graduated from the program now has tried for 3 years to get into a child psych fellowship and has failed to do so in getting a position
 
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whopper said:
Interesting because NYMC really isn't a university but the program is associated with an educational institution so hard for me to say.

I hate further bashing the place because I really know nothing of the actual quality of the program itself. While I was at NYMC, most of the faculty there even mentioned they didn't think much of the place. I recall a fellow grad student got into medical school, and a professor I worked mentioned something to the effect of "that place she got into is even worse than here."

I really don't know anything of the program itself other than that I would not go there for the location. If you want to be in NYC, I'd actually go into NYC. The cost of living right outside of it is not cheap and like I said, ironically it's like being in the boondocks. For example, one of the towns in the area is Ossining, home of Sing-Sing Prison, and it's like a town outside of the Road-Warrior except no one has Australian accents, mohawks, or are trying to kill you for gasoline, but in terms of culture, it's not too far removed.

If anyone here is from the program, feel free to post comments for it or against it.

Another thing to point out that I've noticed from several of the NYC programs or programs close to it. If the program itself is malignant and works the residents to the bone it doesn't matter where it is because any free time you got will be needed catching up on sleep. I recall while in medschool, doing a rotation in Newark NJ (right outside of NYC) and the residency program kept yapping about how it was right outside of NYC. Yeah well all the residents kept mentioning they spent a total of one day in NYC (even the senior residents) and it was the day before the program started. Once that happened, no one set foot in there because they were all sleep-deprived. Being in North Jersey IMHO is not worth the benefit of being close to NYC because North Jersey is a dump (with few exceptions like Hoboken). Before anyone flame wars me back, I'm from NJ. If you think finding burned teaspoons next to your car almost daily (cause some opioid addict was liquefying his Heroin), parking your car in a lot where one car is stolen every few days, hearing people pronounce water as "wada" and NJ as "Joisey", "and seeing slums galore isn't a dump to you, I apologize, but it's a dump to most people.

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The hospital I worked at was so unsafe that a van or security guard had to escort the residents and medstudents from the parking lot to the hospital that was literally only across the street. Yes, a distance of walking one sidewalk to over the street to the sidewalk was actually dangerous and residents used to get mugged almost daily.

But I digress because I'm talking now about Newark, not NYMC.

Now on the other hand if the residency allows you to have a life that's different. Being young and single in NYC can be a cool thing. Being a single doctor in a cosmopolitan atmosphere where there's plenty of activity going on, not to mention the single students wanting a rich a spouse, well you'll be very busy in a good way with your social life if you know where to look.
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I heard the school itself was okay. I know nicve doctor in CT that wnet there. however, she did FM residency at UCLA. NYMC is actually accredited by the ACGME, supposedly that makes it have high standards.
 
wow thank you guys for all this information. I wonder if Westchester it is actually as bad as described. it is a univ-based program, PD is super nice and (most) residents are happy there..I have a iv invite from them and I would appreciate some more insight..
 
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san2 said:
while westchester does not have a high crime rate, it does have a high std rate, and surprisingly divorce rates are high there.
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to practice reframing: people in westchester are socially active.
 
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