NYU Accreditation Update

[Pi__Guy1]

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This thread is primarily directed to one of Gavin's old post:

"My uncle, Mark Christensen, is a member of the Commission on Dental Accreditation (CODA). He is a member of the American Association of Dental Examiners, and oversees the WREB. He was nominated to the CODA position by his peers. When we sat down to address the schools I was planning on applying to, he specifically warned me to "stay away from NYU" because they have "more accreditation issues" than any other dental school. Not more than some schools, but more than ALL other schools. "


Well, with that being said, NYU just got evaluated by the American Association of Dental Examiners this past week. Men and women in suits walked through our school all week. The professors here have been telling our classes the results.

But first, here is the general way the accredit your school. Each school is evaluated in various areas from educational quality/program to safety standards. For poor standards, you receive something called "recommendations". For good standards, you receive something called "commendations".

So the results? NYU received 0 recommendations and several commendations.

Bottom line when posting about schools: don't address the past. Address the present.

 

[3rdMolarRoller]

I had an interview with the ADA committe. They asked me straight forward questions and then I asked them about stuff. They didn't have anything negative to say at all.

So much for all those NYU bashers.

And the good stuff is still coming...imagine what $30mill will do to the school

 

[ItsGavinC]

Originally posted by Pi__Guy1


Well, with that being said, NYU just got evaluated by the American Association of Dental Examiners this past week.

By the way, the body who came to your school, if you've listed it correctly, has NOTHING to do with accreditation.

They merely grant your school permission to continue administering regional licensure exams.

The Commission on Dental Accreditation (CODA) is the committee that does site-visits and ensures continued accreditation.

Having said that, if it WAS CODA that came to your school then I fully agree.

Up until today, however, the past was the present. Now that the cycle has come and gone, accreditation shouldn't be an issue for students until the next cycle.

That doesn't change my previous post, however, nor does it make it incorrect. I never said they wouldn't receive accreditation, just that they had more issues than any other school to deal with. Sounds like they've dealt with them in a wonderful manner.

 

[ItsGavinC]

I checked the records and it was CODA that did the visit from 11/4-11/6.

Once again, congrats!

 

[Comet208]

Gavin,

how do you access such records???

 

[ItsGavinC]

http://www.ada.org/prof/ed/accred/commission/cu.asp

Then scroll down and click on Spring 2003 update to download the pdf file. That lists all the site-visits for ALL programs (predoctoral and PGY) for the latter part of this year (including the NYU visit that we are discussing). BTW, that Spring 2003 update is the one that mentions my uncle's appointment to the commission (page 8 of the pdf).

Clicking on the Fall 2003 document (the one closest to the top of the page) will show you site-visits for the early part of 2004.

 

[bostonbryan]

I just got this in my mailbox regarding the accreditation:




To: All students, faculty, administrators and staff of NYUCD

Fr: Dean Alfano

Re: Accreditation

Dear Colleagues _ I am delighted to share the results of our recent
accreditation site visit with you. Such visits are always stressful on an
institution, because external review of the educational program is such an
important component of the academic process. However, this accreditation
visit is particularly important to validate NYUCD because we have had such a
large impact on the dental profession in areas like oral cancer, terrorism
preparedness and implant dentistry. In fact, many in our profession agree
that our external agenda is impressive, but some have wondered whether our
internal programs are equally strong. Here is our answer.

Twenty-one dental educators, deans, Commission on Dental Accreditation
staff, and a State Board of Dentistry representative just finished reviewing
three linear feet of printed documents, and spent three days interviewing
the students, staff and faculty of NYUCD. Their conclusion was that all
eight academic programs reviewed were very strong and will continue to be
fully accredited with no reporting requirements. In fact, there were no
recommendations and 25 commendations were granted to the College. To put
this in some perspective, in recent years, less than one-third of dental
schools have received no recommendations during an accreditation visit. To
add even more dimension to our achievement, the site visit team was amazed
with our progress because at the previous accreditation visit in 1996 there
were 43 recommendations. To go from 43 recommendations to zero
recommendations and 25 commendations is a sea change. Indeed, every aspect
of our program _ clinical care, basic science instruction, research, and the
enthusiasm of students, faculty and staff _ was commended in some way.

There will be a more detailed explanation of our very successful
accreditation visit in a future issue of NEXUS. In the meantime, let me
thank each and every member of our learning community _ students, faculty,
staff, and administrators _ for a spectacular achievement. Our programs are
strong; our hearts are big; and our impact is enormous. Your hard work,
dedication and passion are palpable, and I am honored to be your leader.

 

[Pi__Guy1]

Yea, I just got the email too. Incredible. Less than 1/3 of the dental schools get 0 recommendations. Like GavinC said, back in 1996 NYU had 43??? ouch. I'm glad to see the "new" Dean Alfano step in. It's good to see we're on an upswing!

 

[3rdMolarRoller]

Finally we should get some respect around here

 

[UBTom]

Good job, guys. I can see why my sister has such loyalty to NYUCD.

This is a great year for New York dental schools. Buffalo was also reaccredited two months ago without having to file any reports. Our predoc program had only one recommendation: They wanted us to change our student performance grading scale for oral surgery procedures from the current 1-5 to 0-5. Talk about nitpicky!

There was only one other recommendation and it was something about the AEGD program.. Not sure what it concerns but it's also likely some trivial issue.

More reason for me to say I♥NY!

I hope your school left a good impression on ShawnOne today. 😀

 

[3rdMolarRoller]

I looked for the interview group right when I got out of class at noon but I think it was too late

 

[ItsGavinC]

Originally posted by Brocnizer2007
Finally we should get some respect around here

Don't count on it. People will still bitch about your "crappy professors," "enormous class size," and "unreasonable tuition".

NOTE: I'm not bitching about any of those things, but I think we're all well-aware that those topics will always be popular among pre-dental students. Largely, because they are unfamilliar with the true happenings at your school.

I think it is simply tremendous that the school has gone from 43 recommendations to 0. I'm sure that has never been done before, and it is truly a fabulous tribute to your faculty, administration, and certainly the students at NYU.

Congrats you guys!

 

[3rdMolarRoller]

I do not understand why pre-dents are so judgemental

After my interview, NYU jumped up from last to first on my list of acceptances.

How could pre-dents say we have crap professors??? So far each one I've had is amazing and so knowledgeable. They all really look out for the students and make sure we succeed (what a nice curve in Bio Chem).

The class is big though and not for those that need attention and someone to come to them if they did bad. Its up to the student to seek help and there is plenty of it. The mentors help a lot. By putting us in groups of 8 with a mentor you do get some sort of personal feel

The tution, well it was a hard decision for me to make to go here or my state school. I do wish it was lower, but I really do hate my state school...mostly the city I hate it is in. So I'm paying extra to be happier somewhere else and glad I made the decision bec I would be miserable in the other place.

so for all those predents, if you have a question let me know and I will answer honestly.

I will tell you something I hate here, the damn locker placements. I have one in the sublevel, one on the 3rd floor and one on the 11th. I have to eat an extra 3000 calories a day from all the running around!!!

 

[Bickle]

I was just reading the interview feedback section for NYU and somebody said that NYU is an ivy league school. Is this accurate? I always thought that Columbia was the only ivy league school in NYC.

 

[UBTom]

It is a goal of the current NYU administration to make the university an Ivy League-caliber school. Over the years it does look like NYU is getting a better reputation and getting lots of endowments. I remember when I was applying to college back in the early '90s everyone in my HS applied to NYU as a safety school. These days I hear NYU is a bit tougher to get in.

NYU is indeed not part of the Ivy League though.

The Ivy League athletic conference, otherwise known as the Ancient Eight:

Harvard
Yale
Columbia
UPenn
Princeton
Dartmouth
Brown
Cornell

The other NCAA Division-I schools delight in using the Ivy League as their whipping boys though. I was a freshman at Columbia University when the Columbia Lions finally snapped their 8-year losing streak in football.

 

[Bickle]

Thanks Tom. Thats what I thought.

 

[Pi__Guy1]

As always, great post UBTom. That's probably the #1 reason why I chose to come here. I did some research before I chose to come here and I couldn't believe how great the school is. I think NYU Law is #3 in the nation, the business school is top 25 and the med school is top notch too. All my parent's friends and my own friends know about NYU. I mean, come on, who wouldn't want to be a part of a school that enrolled Theo Huxtable?

UBTom, has NYU always been this rich? It seems like they own pretty much all of lower Manhattan as well as all the trendy areas of NYC. I always see random NYU flags on buildings whenever I go to downtown...

 

[Bickle]

Originally posted by Pi__Guy1
I did some research before I chose to come here and I couldn't believe how great the school is. I think NYU Law is #3 in the nation, the business school is top 25 and the med school is top notch too.

Why did that influence you to go to NYU? It has nothing to do with their dental school.

 

[Pi__Guy1]

Great question, dentaldream:

It was pretty much a personal decision. My #1 criteria was to choose a school w/ a great national reputation. My undergrad was really small and relatively nationally unknown. Really competitive to get in (average SAT was 1250-1300). Since it was so small, nobody outside of Illinois heard of it. I was just sick of people asking me: "uh, what school is that again? never heard of it".

So I pretty much decided to choose a dental school w/ a great national reputation. My second criteria was to choose a school based on their clinical reputation. I firmly believe that all dental schools teach the basic sciences of the same quality. Hypothetically speaking, even if I get a horrid basic science education here, I'm confident that I'll get an 85-90 on my Part I's just by studying the materials that Yah-E recommends. So really, I didn't care about all these rumors about NYU's large class size/lack of personal attention. What I did prioritize is the clinicals. I firmly believe that it is the clinical aspect that greatly shapes a good dentist from a mediocre dentist. NYU gets something like 250,000 patients every year. And since it's NYC, you know you'll be experiencing some of the most outrageous, diseased patients than some other schools. I really do believe that if I can deal w/ situations that I will encounter here, I'll be able to deal w/ almost any situation later in life.

So really, I chose NYU for the name and the clinics. 50 years from now I don't think it'll really matter where we all went to school. We'll all know how to prep a 3-unit bridge blind. I know I'll be proud to hang up my New York University diploma in my office! Again, it's just a personal decision....

Hopefully this all made sense. Just got back from the clubs! BTW, Brittany was at Mission tonight down in Soho! Just missed her walking out of the club while we were in line!

Originally posted by Dentaldream
Why did that influence you to go to NYU? It has nothing to do with their dental school.