NYU Anesthesia

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I have heard people saying that it has the happiest residents in NYC, with terrific W-L balance and working 55-60 hours a week on average. Other people I met on the interview trail just recently said they got the same impression of the program, as did friends who interviewed there previous years.

However, there are a few red flags.

1) NYC Anesthesia programs 2018 A few people claiming as current residents state hours have gone up averaging around 70/week now and are unhappy.

2) There's no meet and greet dinner, and doesn't seem like there is interaction with residents during the interview.

Can anyone chime in on the current/future state of things?

 

[anbuitachi]

I have heard people saying that it has the happiest residents in NYC, with terrific W-L balance and working 55-60 hours a week on average. Other people I met on the interview trail just recently said they got the same impression of the program, as did friends who interviewed there previous years.

However, there are a few red flags.

1) NYC Anesthesia programs 2018 A few people claiming as current residents state hours have gone up averaging around 70/week now and are unhappy.

2) There's no meet and greet dinner, and doesn't seem like there is interaction with residents during the interview.

Can anyone chime in on the current/future state of things?

dont know any details but theres never been any meet and greet dinner there recently even when i interviewed years ago. it's not a positive but i wouldnt take that as a negative though, many programs dont have one

I doubt they are working 70 hrs a week, i recently met some NYU residents and they said they get relieved at like 4-5pm..

 

[Psai]

70 hours a week lolol

I doubt that any program in the country is working those hours

 

[DM27]

I haven't heard anything to disprove that it's one of the more cush programs in NYC. They also interview a huge amount of applicants, I believe each interview day is >20 people. So a dinner would likely be very expensive and possibly hard to plan for them. I wouldn't view the lack of an event as a red flag.

 

[TheLoneWolf]

70 hours a week lolol

I doubt that any program in the country is working those hours

Personally logged 72-74 hours a week for all three CA years. Longer hours on ICU months. Shortest 60 at the VA. During my interview, the chair greeted the room by stating that residents average 55 hours a week. This made it doubly worse when you start and find out it's a blatant lie to everyone who has ever interacted with our residents.

 

[nimbus]

Personally logged 72-74 hours a week for all three CA years. Longer hours on ICU months. Shortest 60 at the VA. During my interview, the chair greeted the room by stating that residents average 55 hours a week. This made it doubly worse when you start and find out it's a blatant lie to everyone who has ever interacted with our residents.

That’s a ton....12 hr days 6 days a week. What was you typical week like? Were you actually working those hours or sleeping in the hospital?

 

[TheLoneWolf]

That’s a ton....12 hr days 6 days a week. What was you typical week like? Were you actually working those hours or sleeping in the hospital?

6 am to 630pm nearly each day. 5-7 in house 24 hour calls a month. Most calls working all the way to the morning.

 

[nimbus]

6 am to 630pm nearly each day. 5-7 in house 24 hour calls a month. Most calls working all the way to the morning.

Damn

 

[UnoMas]

It's a little sketch for a program of that size and caliber to not have a meet and greet dinner

 

[Psai]

6 am to 630pm nearly each day. 5-7 in house 24 hour calls a month. Most calls working all the way to the morning.

But all those cases made you a better anesthesiologist! Right?

 

[samwise gamgee]

But all those cases made you a better anesthesiologist! Right?

while these numbers lone wolf is giving do not jibe with what I have heard about NYU (i don't work there but I have heard that they have a lighter load), i would avoid making average duty hours a strong factor in your decision making. those of us on the other side of this process all look back and are thankful for every bit of experience we got prior to finishing our training.

 

[sniderwes]

while these numbers lone wolf is giving do not jibe with what I have heard about NYU (i don't work there but I have heard that they have a lighter load), i would avoid making average duty hours a strong factor in your decision making. those of us on the other side of this process all look back and are thankful for every bit of experience we got prior to finishing our training.

There's a reason why I didn't go into a surgical sub-specialty. I'm not lazy, but I know my personal limits/limitations.

 

[TheLoneWolf]

But all those cases made you a better anesthesiologist! Right?

Yes, no doubt cant beat the volume. To clarify to other posters, I'm talking about my residency program, I did not attend NYU. Had a medical student match there, seemed happy to be going there, lots of research, their residency match list was very impressive back then.

 

[samwise gamgee]

There's a reason why I didn't go into a surgical sub-specialty. I'm not lazy, but I know my personal limits/limitations.

it may be worth going beyond the hours you want during your career for the next four years to make sure you are ready when you finish your training. after residency, you can have great pay and hours, but I think most docs would recommend putting the time in now so you are comfortable later. if you like NYU but the hours are in fact longer then billed, you'd only be better off for it, and don't let it discourage you from training there. i am sure it is a great program.

 

[anbuitachi]

Yea no way NYU work that hard. it's still known as the cushiest residency of the 4 big manhattan ones. i heard it's not as cush as before but still not bad in terms of hours.

 

[‘Sthesia!]

Former resident here. Don’t go to NYU. It has nothing to do with the hours and everything to do with the culture. Hard to elaborate on a public forum but there was a reason why you didn’t interact with any residents except the chiefs (and maybe those who want to be chiefs).

 

[sniderwes]

Former resident here. Don’t go to NYU. It has nothing to do with the hours and everything to do with the culture. Hard to elaborate on a public forum but there was a reason why you didn’t interact with any residents except the chiefs (and maybe those who want to be chiefs).

Tried to send you a PM but says you've limited your profile. Can you message me and we can chat?

 

[anbuitachi]

Former resident here. Don’t go to NYU. It has nothing to do with the hours and everything to do with the culture. Hard to elaborate on a public forum but there was a reason why you didn’t interact with any residents except the chiefs (and maybe those who want to be chiefs).

tell us more

 

[BMC11]

I have heard people saying that it has the happiest residents in NYC, with terrific W-L balance and working 55-60 hours a week on average. Other people I met on the interview trail just recently said they got the same impression of the program, as did friends who interviewed there previous years.

However, there are a few red flags.

1) NYC Anesthesia programs 2018 A few people claiming as current residents state hours have gone up averaging around 70/week now and are unhappy.

2) There's no meet and greet dinner, and doesn't seem like there is interaction with residents during the interview.

Can anyone chime in on the current/future state of things?

I did an away here this fall. There were things I liked about it and things I didn’t. Everyone was really nice to me and I got to do a lot. Most residents supported the fact that they usually get out of the OR by 4pm most days but noted that hours might be changing due to new ORs opening up at Tisch/Kimmel.
My major hold up with the program is that they’re pretty hands off when it comes to prep/support for didactics and the basic exam. Most of the residents I worked with told me that “it’s totallly on you to figure out how to pass.” The residents pay for true learn out of their own pockets and didactics are later in the day (and apparently you’re not relieved for them) so a good chunk of residents do not attend. While there are people on here who will disagree with what I’ve written, I’m literally just repeating what I was told by multiple residents and I am not trying to **** on the program. I enjoyed my away but I have some hang ups regarding the program.

 

[anbuitachi]

I did an away here this fall. There were things I liked about it and things I didn’t. Everyone was really nice to me and I got to do a lot. Most residents supported the fact that they usually get out of the OR by 4pm most days but noted that hours might be changing due to new ORs opening up at Tisch/Kimmel.
My major hold up with the program is that they’re pretty hands off when it comes to prep/support for didactics and the basic exam. Most of the residents I worked with told me that “it’s totallly on you to figure out how to pass.” The residents pay for true learn out of their own pockets and didactics are later in the day (and apparently you’re not relieved for them) so a good chunk of residents do not attend. While there are people on here who will disagree with what I’ve written, I’m literally just repeating what I was told by multiple residents and I am not trying to **** on the program. I enjoyed my away but I have some hang ups regarding the program.

when you get out at 4.. do you really need relief for didactics?

 

[Status Sciaticus]

when you get out at 4.. do you really need relief for didactics?

Yes.

 

[chocomorsel]

@anbuitachi
Well.... if the lectures are at 3.....

 

[chocomorsel]

Former resident here. Don’t go to NYU. It has nothing to do with the hours and everything to do with the culture. Hard to elaborate on a public forum but there was a reason why you didn’t interact with any residents except the chiefs (and maybe those who want to be chiefs).

You is free........ free now. No need to be afraid anymore. Your cojones are no longer in a vice grip. Please be real.

 

[anbuitachi]

@anbuitachi
Well.... if the lectures are at 3.....

That'd be ... A not very smart thing to do

 

[chocomorsel]

That'd be ... A not very smart thing to do

Well clearly a lot of residents are missing lecture because they are stuck in a room for some reason.

 

[projectpat]

you're gonna pass the exam because you sit down and study. Not because of didactics.
you're gonna learn anesthesiar because you sit in the OR and commit anesthesiar. Not because of didactics.

 

[Realgasman135]

Per current CA2, u average about 60 hrs a week whether ur in OR or ICU.

U get relieved at 4 pm at Bellevue and 5-6 pm from Tisch.

 

[UrbanAchievers]

you're gonna pass the exam because you sit down and study. Not because of didactics.
you're gonna learn anesthesiar because you sit in the OR and commit anesthesiar. Not because of didactics.

100% agree.

 

[Status Sciaticus]

you're gonna pass the exam because you sit down and study. Not because of didactics.
you're gonna learn anesthesiar because you sit in the OR and commit anesthesiar. Not because of didactics.

why even have didactics?

 

[San Marzano]

why even have didactics?

Probably an ACGME or ABA requirement.

 

[vector2]

why even have didactics?

IMO, didactics shouldn't be a regurgitation of a book chapter, but rather an opportunity for residents to get some context from a board-certified anesthesiologist about what knowledge is high yield in the OR and on the exams. I think case-based lectures with multiple choice questions interspersed throughout are pretty effective.

Say a resident or fellow is trying to learn about anesthesia for LVADs....they can look up an article and memorize that the pre-CBP TEE exam must look for clot, MS, AI, TR, RV fnx, ascending atheroma, VSD, ASD, PFO etc, but imagine what kind of retention they will have doing only this vs. reading the article before and then having a case-based presentation by a cardiac anesthesiologist that includes echo slides and videos...

At the end of the day, 95% of what goes into passing the exams comes from self-studying, but the didactics I received from the better attendings (you know, the savants who can walk up to a dry erase board and just go nuts from memory) definitely made me a better anesthesiologist.

 

[anbuitachi]

didactics shouldn't be board/exam focused. i mean before ITE/board exams we have didactics focusing on those exams.

 

[deleted875186]

Didactics at most programs probably sucks. The exception, as someone mentioned, is the faculty member who can just start writing on the board and teach you things, which is few and far between. I also agree that the case based discussion with questions and homework before te session is very good as well, but few faculty at my program actually put together that much of an effort.

 

[vector2]

didactics shouldn't be board/exam focused. i mean before ITE/board exams we have didactics focusing on those exams.

Why can't didactics do both? If you have an airway lecture, present most of the chapter, but highlight in the slide or throw in a multiple choice question when high yield stuff like "the RLN supplies all the intrinsic muscles of the larynx except blank which is supplied by blank" comes up.

One of the biggest complaints when I was a resident was that our lectures were pretty much entirely textbook regurgitations and half of us would be asleep about 15 minutes through. Our staff actually took the complaint to heart and started throwing in MCQs, calling on residents to make it more interactive, and talking about real world anesthetic situations where the information taught applied.

 

[anbuitachi]

Why can't didactics do both? If you have an airway lecture, present most of the chapter, but highlight in the slide or throw in a multiple choice question when high yield stuff like "the RLN supplies all the intrinsic muscles of the larynx except blank which is supplied by blank" comes up.

One of the biggest complaints when I was a resident was that our lectures were pretty much entirely textbook regurgitations and half of us would be asleep about 15 minutes through. Our staff actually took the complaint to heart and started throwing in MCQs, calling on residents to make it more interactive, and talking about real world anesthetic situations where the information taught applied.

it can be both. what i meant was it shouldn't just be about board/exams. if you split it up and do both its not totally focused on exam.

 

[zzsleepytinizz]

6 am to 630pm nearly each day. 5-7 in house 24 hour calls a month. Most calls working all the way to the morning.

This is true!

 

[zzsleepytinizz]

Personally logged 72-74 hours a week for all three CA years. Longer hours on ICU months. Shortest 60 at the VA. During my interview, the chair greeted the room by stating that residents average 55 hours a week. This made it doubly worse when you start and find out it's a blatant lie to everyone who has ever interacted with our residents.

This is 100 % true. I graduated from NYU. The hours are not easy. I did not get out by 4PM and if I did it felt like a special treat. There are works that I worked over 80 hours. However, when averaged over a four week period I was always within ACGMR guidelines. So if you interview at NYU expecting it to be chill youre going to be unhappily surprised.

However I graduated a competent anesthesiologist with an amazing skill set. I did cardiac anesthesia my third OR month into CA-1 year at the private hospital. Your pushed out of your comfort zone and they set high expectations for you, and this makes you a good Anesthesiologist.

It’s very hard to appreciate these things when you’re in it though. But don’t let people gaslight and manipulate you.

 

[Twiggidy]

6 am to 630pm nearly each day. 5-7 in house 24 hour calls a month. Most calls working all the way to the morning.

This is all correct

 

[Twiggidy]

But all those cases made you a better anesthesiologist! Right?

I think it actually did

 

[deleted697127]

The private practice market is good right now. Young attendings in academics tend to get abused with annoying cases and a restrictive case mix. I doubt many hospitals volumes are going down. If you have people leave academics for the favorable job market, youre left with higher volume and fewer people to get the work done. I suspect there are very few programs that have seen their work hours go down over the course of their residency.

 

[dannyboy1]

The private practice market is good right now. Young attendings in academics tend to get abused with annoying cases and a restrictive case mix. I doubt many hospitals volumes are going down. If you have people leave academics for the favorable job market, youre left with higher volume and fewer people to get the work done. I suspect there are very few programs that have seen their work hours go down over the course of their residency.

Translation: you cannot leave and are therefore a slave. They will not hire more people just to give you more time off...