NYU dropping students

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Hey all, a couple of days ago, one of my students from my kaplan DAT class asked me an interesting questions. She asked if it was true that NYU dropped a certain number of students in the first semester. This was actually the first time I heard of this, so I told her I didn't know, but I recently read that being mentioned in a post on this forum. Does anyone know if there is any truth to this?

 

[mr thirsty]

Being a student at NYU and managing to survive the first 2 years there, I am now about to start my 3rd year.

There is a sense of truth behind that statement. As everybody knows NYU does have the biggest class of any dental school in the country with next year's freshman class being somewhere around 240 students.

But the way the students are dismissed is not by some random method. I mean a student would really have to mess up in order to get "trown out". There is an academic committee that looks at all the F's that students have gotten during the course of the semester/year. Generally, if a student fails 3 courses or less in one ACADEMIC YEAR, they are allowed to remediate (repeat) these courses in the summer. If they pass in the summer, they get an F/C on their transcript and are allowed to go on to the next year. If they fail the remediation, they are generally given 2 options, one being to repeat the whole year or if there are too many F's, then they are dismissed.

Another way to get dismissed is that there is an ethics/professionalism committee as I am sure there is one at every dental school. It is sort of a judicial governing body represented by students, faculty, and administration. If the student does something unethical like cheating, or unprofessional such as doesn't show up to clinic for too many times, then they go before this committee and some type of punishment is given if the student is found guilty. If the offense is severe enough, the student can get dismissed.

So you can tell your student that as long as he/she can keep on track with all the courses and doesn't do anything unethical, then everything will be fine

 

[Prettygirl]

Alex,
How difficult is it to get an F in a course at nyu?
Do many students have to repeat a course during the summer?

 

[mr thirsty]

Hey pretty,

It really depends on the course. There are some that the entire class manages to get As and Bs without any curves. Then there are other courses where if there was no curve, half the class would fail. But that is normal because the material is very challenging.

But like I said, the # of F's depends on the course. In the first year, I would say that the average number of people repeating the courses in the summer was 5 and for the 2nd year, it was something about 10.

So to answer your question, as long as you do your work and study study study, it will be pretty hard to fail something.

Good luck,

 

[Prettygirl]

Alex
Just curious--on average, how many hours a day do you study the first year?
Do you study 7 days a week, 5-7 hours a day?

 

[itsmesteve]

Alex,

Thanks for being so informative to us 2007 students.

Question: What is the schedule of classes like the first semester. Is it an 8-5 five days a week type of thing? All they have told us on Albert is that we are taking Biochem, Cell Bio and Histology and a bunch of "minor " courses.
Also, any advice regarding those 3 major courses? Are the exams only on whats covered in lectures or are we responsible for everything on the DVDs on those subjects( in which case do we have to go to lectures)?

Again thanks for your info!!

Steven

 

[mr thirsty]

Hi guys,

Sorry about not replying earlier, but I had a rough time logging in for some reason.

Anyways, to answer pretty's question, you do not necessarily have to study 24/7 in order to get through dental school. If I remember correctly, the first year, I used to study about 3-4 hours each day outside of class and then used to work on the weekends. From personal experience, that was more or less enough time to keep up with the material, but I realized that working was not really worth it since it interfered with the study time I needed right before the exams, so no more weekend job for Alex.

Now for Steve's question, if I remember correctly, either during the orientation or in the next few days through the mail, you should be getting the printed out schedule with times, rooms, and courses for your first semester. You are absolutely right about the 3 major courses that you will be taking, Building Blocks of Life (Biochem), Cell Organnelles (Cell Bio), and Basic Tissues (Histology). Gonna have to burst your bubble, but unlike you had a choice in college, you do not get to select the times and courses that you take and every day, your classes start at 8am. And I think that whatever science course you might be taking at the time will be the one at 8am. Also, you will not be taking all 3 of these classes at the same time. First you will be taking Biochem for about 1.5 months, then Cell Bio for about 1.5 months, and then Histology for whatever is left of the semester. And you are not in class from 8-5. Most of the days, you'll be out by 2pm unless you are in a section that is in pre-clinical lab on Tues and Thurs from 2-5.

Now, how to study 😕 Well, once you guys start school, your class will form something called "the transcript committee". Now these are not the transcripts with your grades on them, but rather word-for-word transcripts of lecturs (everything that the prof said). For a reasonable fee, you get access to these transcripts and your fellow classmates will also be the ones transcribing these lectures for a decent pay. So it's a good way to make some money for personal expenses. It is safe to say that about 85% of the students use this method to study because almost all the exam questions comes from the material presented by the faculty IN LECTURE. If something needs to be looked up on the DVD, the professors let you know. You are not required to know every single thing that is on the DVD.

I guess my best advice to you will be not to fall behind. Try as hard as you can to keep up with the material. The jump in the amount of material that you are expected to know compared to college is enormous. Courses that used to take an entire semester in college now last a month and a half, so you MUST stay on top of things.

Hope this helps and I'll see you at the orientation, I'll be helping out with it this year 😀

See ya,

 

[LestatZinnie]

hi all,

just a few dumb questions....NYU is a private institution correct? does anyone know why they accept so many students, since dentistry is already a pretty competitive field? does it have to do with the school wanting to make money, since i remember the tuition is quite high? are the number of graduating dentists regulated in anyway by the government? thanks!!

 

[UBTom]

The government doesn't regulate how many students graduate from a dental school.

However, state government agencies do have a role in regulating the dental profession through licensing, enforcement of health codes, occupational safety codes, investigations into misconduct and insurance fraud and professional discipline, etc.

Don't know exactly why NYU takes so many applicants though.

 

[cusp of carabelli]

it's all about the $$$$$$$ and gaining more revenue from having more students since federal funding for post grad programs is running low and since most post grad programs the students get a stipend during the program. My friend at NYU told me they're taking 100 more people this year making the class size around 320 or so...which i thought was amazing...

 

[critterbug]

😱 thats a huge class

 

[ItsGavinC]

At a dental conference I attended yesterday, I spoke with an NYU faculty member.

She said believes there are 200+ students in the dental program, and another 140+ students in the international dental program. That program comes complete with night classes and part-time classes. Her opinion was that NYU was really turning out to be the trashiest dental school around. Another direct quote was that the school didn't graduate dentists or orthodontists or any other specialists... only "bondodontists".

I'm sure you would all love me to reveal her name, but that would just be idiotic. Take the statement for what it is worth.

 

[3rdMolarRoller]

Well so far from my limited experience on campus, looks like the new dean is addressing all of the problems and turning things around, i.e. the whole school is pretty much getting a face lift and things are really being changed academically.

I talked to the class of 2004 pres about them kicking students out, well he said you pretty much get yourself kicked out for being lazy bec they do allow you to make up 3 classes. He said alot more but thats a good break down. Probably best advice he said is have some fun now and then or you burn out.

I don't care what people say about this school, I know I made the right decision to come here. They have so many resources available to students its unreal. I feel I will become an excellent dentist by exploiting all NYU has to offer me!!!

Oh question for anyone thats knows: I think I read awhile back that roughly 6000 dentist retire a year and near or below that number retire. If that piece of knowledge is correct, won't there be a shortage of dentist say by 2015 or so???

 

[UBTom]

Yep, NYU does have that reputation of being a "factory" and students do have to deal with some frustrating conditions (such as fight for chair time so they can book patients). But Brocnizer is right-- Because of NYU's location, it has readily available some AMAZING resources and experiences for the dental students who takes advantage of it and persevere.

For example, the summer externship I just did there at Bellevue's OMFS department across the street from NYU-- I saw some amazing stuff that happens routinely there (such as really complicated orthognathic surgery cases) which you will not see as frequently in many other OMFS programs because NYC has such a huge population. And the faculty and residents there were just frighteningly brilliant. I find myself envious of the NYU students' OMFS experience, because it beats what oral surgery exposure I got here in Buffalo all to hell.

Ultimately, it's up to the student-- You can shuffle along and satisfy the minimums and be a bondodontist, or you can deal with all the crap they throw at you phlegmatically and excel despite the adversity. My sister (NYUCD '00) is of the latter category and she has the ability to treat really complex cases and do very technique-sensitive procedures like implant surgery-- And do it well! Definitely more than a mere bondodontist. 😀 I can't tell if she is the exception or the rule though.

 

[mr thirsty]

Hi Everyone,

I'm about to begin my 3rd year at NYU and just wanted to share a few thoughts on the topic of how huge our school is.

First off, I do agree, our school is HUGE and they do care about money quite a bit. But some people might not know how expensive life in NYC really is. To run a facility the size of NYU it must cost a ton of money. Students to pay a lot and as Tom said, the quality of education you get as far as clinical experience is amazing. No other city in US has such a diverse population as does NYC.

I have heard that all the dental schools in Boston area are constantly fighting for patients because there are 3 dental schools in the area. Here at NYU, there is no such problem, we have the patients but sometimes there are no chairs in your assigned clinic, but since there are 14 clinics with 14 chairs in each, there is bound to be one that you can take your patient to and find an empty chair.

NYU did not accept an additional 100 people this year in comparison to previous years just to compensate for loss of GME funding. Even though it still sounds huge, but the freshman class this year is only 250 in comparison to my freshman class of 275 in 2001. The 100 people thing might have come from a misunderstanding. Each year, NYU accepts 100 or so students into their advanced placement program. These people were dentists in other countries and have taken their part I boards and completed the interview process and get to go through dental school in 3 years. They join up with the students beginning their 2nd year and then the class really becomes HUGE. Last year, my class was 360 students.

Hey Tom, isn't that how big Buffalo is all together?? 😉

Hope this clears some things up,

 

[UBTom]

Heh heh.. Yeah, that's how many dental students we got at my school all together (freshmen to seniors)-- A bit less than 360.

And I thought my school was getting crowded! 😀